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GoneFishin
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/19/2010 8:40:15 PM
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I predict it will pass on Sunday.
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alahusker
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/19/2010 9:24:20 PM
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You may be correct. I hope you are prepared to justify your glee to our grand children. Curious about your observations on the worth of socialized health care, or socialism in general?? I may be missing something..
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DSCR
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/19/2010 10:11:11 PM
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We need health coverage reform. Things like more competition, ala carte plans so I am not paying for drug rehab and pregnancy, open the state borders, etc.
We sure dont need this already corrupt socialized mess.
However, if it does "pass", the democrat tyranny in both houses will be over in November, with the savior following them out of Washington in 2012.
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lakeplumber
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/19/2010 10:18:26 PM
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The whole issue has demonstrated how far government has abandoned it's proper role of representing the will of the people.
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copperline
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 7:45:08 AM
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For my part, I regret that the bill isn't going to go far enough to address the problems and worry far more about allowing national health care policy to be directed by corporations rather than the government. True enough, government programs are never efficient, well-oiled machines. But Medicare is a good program, and crucial to the health of it's participants. A national Medicare-for-all program would mean that the 15% of uninsured Alabamians would be able to get decent healthcare. (In Texas, a full 25% of their people are uninsured). But for now, this much change is good. We are required to have insurance on our cars, why not on ourselves and our families?
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dmp
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 8:28:38 AM
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One thing, however, you are not required to own a car.
This bill is nothing more than a power grab by the Democrats, it has nothing to do with enhancing your medical care, it has everything to do with power and control. You need to look deeper into the bill and you can see that.
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DSCR
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 8:52:58 AM
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Medicare could be fixed as the catch all safety net. BUT, this bill guts medicare of 500 million, lowering coverage for current participants. Well, except those in Fl, Ne and other places where the national socialist party had to buy the votes of their own party members.
Corrupt
Everyone needs a place to live, why not buy everyone a house?
Everyone needs clean clothes, why not buy everyone a washer and dryer?
etc, etc.
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Maddog
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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Date:
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3/20/2010 9:28:59 AM
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Thanks alot GF for dragging this crap over from the "Off Topic" section.
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Summer Lover
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Check your numbers CL
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3/20/2010 9:32:30 AM
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Big difference between having health insurance and having healthcare. We WILL have a serious shortage of Medicare assigned providers when their pay schedule is dropped, why in the he!! would someone go through the school and residency pain if they would NOT see substantial financial gains? As far as “trust the Government” – how long have you been living off the rest of us? Those trustworthy people have been stealing 15% of my money for 30 years, telling me that I can trust them to keep it for me until I need it. I have not quite hit 50 yet, and if I get anything it sounds like it will be pennies on the dollar. Check how well the socialized medicine is going elsewhere. As a nation, we have access to the best care and shortest wait times for that service. Go to Europe and experience the delays and rationed service before you jump for joy – there are two levels of care available there, the Government and private – but I don’t guess you looked into that. I miss the days of personal responsibility and when more people knew that fair is a place you go to ride a pony, not what life is supposed to be.
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MrHodja
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 9:56:06 AM
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Agree. Driving is a privilege. Being a natural born citizen is a right.
Ans also agree that the dems are trying to build a dependent society that can't walk on their own two feet without an Uncle Sugar crutch.
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dmp
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Check your numbers CL
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3/20/2010 9:56:18 AM
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but, they've been stealing alot more than 15% of your money! It's hidden in so many ways only for the purpose of obfuscating what they are really doing to your wallet.
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lakeplumber
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Botton lines....
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3/20/2010 9:56:36 AM
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1. It is socialism.
2. It will be a economic disaster.
3. It will not be a panacea for healthcare woes.
4. It will give the government a tighter choke hold around capitalism.
5. There is a gap as big as our universe between what is painted to be by the Obamaites and the reality of what it will actually turn out to be.
6. It has never worked, it never will work.
7. It could catalyze an revolution.
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kirbys dropwing
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Botton lines....
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3/20/2010 11:20:56 AM
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This should be on off-topic
But, since it's here. Maybe americans should have to buy car insurance even if they don't have a car. I want a company that sells health insurance and car insurance that the government forces americans to buy or pay penalties and/or jail time.
My health insurance is a 20 dollar co-pay but every time I have something done and I'm fairly healthy, I seem to have to pay an additional 600 to 900 dollars . If I can't afford health insurance how am I going to pay the rest of the medical bills that health insurance does not pay? I feel I pay health insurance and get nothing in return. With this new bill I see health insurance as a tax on americans and then you still pay for your on health care thus insurance not paying anyathing just becoming taxurance. Our pockets are so deep there is no bottom!
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Summer Lover
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Check your numbers CL
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3/20/2010 12:35:05 PM
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I was just refering to Social Security - Pelosi had made a comparison of this bill to our great Forced Government Retirement Plan, and said that "we" did not like it when that was passed. She may not know that SS is shot so full of holes and bled out, that those of us who "contribute" to that program AND IRA's/401k's will likely not be able to recoup our "donations" as promised, because we do not "need" the money.
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GoneFishin
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HEY BRUCE
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3/20/2010 4:36:24 PM
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I posted it in this topic by mistake and I apologize to those who are offended. Bruce, can you either delete it or move it to OFF TOPIC?.
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alahusker
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 4:47:34 PM
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Appears that GF is right, they have the partisian Democratic votes.. This sleasy, corrupt legislative process makes me want to take a hot shower and brush my teeth.. Our lawmakers in Washington have again justified their 15% approval rating..
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BayPineYankee
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 5:19:12 PM
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I don't know whether any of you folks work in healthcare - as payer or provider - but the issues run much deeper than what the politicians and broadcasters refer to in soundbites. Very good hospitals and clinics are facing serious decisions about how to prepare for the onslaught of the baby boomers and reduction in medicare reimbursement. One thing is clear - the current system is broken. Not saying the proposed bill is the cure but politics aside, somebody better do something.
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alahusker
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 5:55:19 PM
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Yankee, it appears we are on the path to do something, have the Federal government take over the whole healthcare system, 1/6th of the national economy. They are doing great with social security, medicare, US postal system, Amtrack and lots of other programs.. Plus, the federal government only faces a 12 trillion dollar deficit in the next 10 years.. I'm really, really comforted..
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BayPineYankee
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 6:12:18 PM
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OK, let's leave things the way they are. I don't think you will like that result either.
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Mack
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The Tough Part to this mess
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3/20/2010 6:29:06 PM
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is that when it becomes law, we can then vote out-of-office anybody and everybody who was even remotely associated with it. Great. Most will claim "Not Me".
But, it will still be law. And, getting it reversed will be more difficult than getting it into law. Crap.
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alahusker
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 6:55:18 PM
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No, let's fix the broken parts, tort reform, buying out of state and whatever. If you trust the federal government to fix it, God help us..
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alahusker
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 6:55:19 PM
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No, let's fix the broken parts, tort reform, buying out of state and whatever. If you trust the federal government to fix it, God help us..
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Talullahhound
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My Advice on Healthcare
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3/20/2010 8:34:56 PM
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Put on your sunscreen and go outside. Vitamin D is good for you.
Take a boat ride. It'll lower your BP.
Plants a vegetable garden. Veggies are good for you and the exercise to plant it will do you good too.
Grill some low fat chicken.
Invite some friends and family over. Those with friends and family are healthier and happier.
Have a glass of red wine. It's good for your heart.
Bake some multigrain bread. The kneading will relieve some of your frustration and the whole grains are good for your colon.
Do something nice for someone else. Service to others will improve your mood.
Count your blessings. Exercising your brain improves your memory.
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copperline
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 8:37:49 PM
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I have worked in health care for 30 yrs, and right now work in a small hospital. We routinely treat scores of uninsured people who have no way to afford care, and discharge them with completely inadequate followup so they often return, sicker and more expensive to treat than before. I am also responsible for informing people who have brought their family members into the hospital that there are few community resources, & little funding for them to get the care they may need. It is an incredibly depressing experience to do this over and over every day. The country was built on ideals of compassion as well as independence, and I am all for people relying on the system as little as we possibly can. But when you are broke, unemployed, and have kids or elderly parents to care for.... medical bills either go unpaid or force bankruptcy. We can't seriously expect people to just to go away & not get healthcare when they need it, can we?
30% of every dollar spent on healthcare is consumed by administrative overhead of insurance companies, another 20% is required by hospitals and Doctor's offices to contend with the complex billing procedures of various insurers. There's your savings, that's how to substantially increase the reach of the dollars you spend on health care. Reduce the overhead expenses with a unified system. For now, the bill will limit insurance companies to a 15% administrative charge. That's a good idea.
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alahusker
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 9:08:31 PM
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Pal,
If you think the federal government will cure 30% overhead and 20% billing inaccuracy, we just disagree.. the frigging bill calls for adding 16,000 new IRS people to the federal government to moniter program compliance.. does that compute with you??
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Barneget
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/20/2010 10:15:46 PM
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Copperline's been lissnen to the pooch about the effectiveness of our central gummint, and the smarts of the federal workers, especially those who voted for change without knowing, or really caring, what kind of change would result. Copper, I don't mean to depress you even more, but, this nation was not founded on compassion; it was founded on liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Copper, I was lying about not wanting to depress you further. See if this brings a tear to your eye. I said this in April; I'll say it again here, now. Any and all costs this legislation adds to my business will result in a dollar for dollar reduction in my payroll expense. My net will not suffer, and, as a result, I will shift cost BACK to those (you) feeling good about this crap. Finally, I think we could really control health care costs if we listed the names of all the professionals advocating a reduction in Health Insurance charges and profitability, and reduced their earnings by a similar percentage. Better yet, turn the entire health care admin process, hell, the entire central gummint civilian work force, over to WAL-MART. That group knows how to squeeze costs.
Side note --had a 2010 Census worker in one of my stores yesterday, wearing the shirt, badge, hand held unit in a holster, at 10:30 a.m., buying a 6'er of Natty Ice. That depressed me………
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I did not understand what you just said barnget
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Barneget
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Barnget
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3/20/2010 10:43:08 PM
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Didn't expect you would, as your post appeared to confuse co-pay, premiums and deductibles. I said that, as a business owner, if my costs increase, I will reduce my payroll hours, and, protect my profitability, thereby forcing a shift in additional costs back to the "feel gooders" supporting this takeover. If you are a member of HCR support group, your expectations should be that the costs will be higher, the services will be reduced, with unaccountable hacks and drones making decisions about whether you live or die. Today, we have access to superior care with accountable hacks and drones making decisions. Oh, little history -- exponential increases in HC Insurance premiums tied dirctly to HIPAA time frame. Could this be another "unintended consequence"?
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Barneget
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Kirby, sorry about that last post
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3/20/2010 11:00:42 PM
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I didn't give it the pause and review before I hit send. I apologize.
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water_watcher
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Dr Hound
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3/21/2010 8:44:18 AM
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Good advice. I would like to schedule an appointment for Thursday at 10a. :)
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MartiniMan
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Medicaire is going bankrupt
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3/21/2010 10:57:35 AM
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and you call it a good program. How nonsensical is that? Fact is if you track the cost of medical care and the implementation of Medicaire and Medicaide you will see a 100% correlation. Government takeover of health care will neither reduce costs nor improve quality and I guarantee it. The only way they could make the numbers appear the way they did was to have 10 years of taxes with 7 years of benefits that are phased in. It is a fraud and anyone who thinks this will help is a brain dead liberal.
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MartiniMan
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/21/2010 11:07:24 AM
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My Dad had a heart attack while in between jobs with no health insurance and got great treatment. Yes they had to file bankruptcy but if you asked my parents whether it was worth it to save his life they both said yes. Is it fair that they had the misfortune when they did? No. But only 10 year old children and liberals think life should be fair and if it isn't the government should take away a person's property at the point of a gun and give it to the undeserving.
As study after study shows most of the people without health insurance were so of their own accord. Government will wreck our health care system and we will end up rationing like all the other countries with socialized medicine. Just look at the mortality statistics in countries with socialized health care compared to the U.S. And you think people are needlessly dying now? Wait until some nameless, faceless government employee decides your Mom's value doesn't justify the cost of treatment and sends her off to die. Then will you be happy? And who are you going to sue? No one because you can't sue the federal government unless they give you permission. It just boggles the mid the inability of people to see facts as they are.....
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Feb
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Sunday's Big Vote...Healthcare
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3/21/2010 11:59:38 PM
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I just provided you with a "Positive" on the Member's Profile Rating. Good post.
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| Name: |
Lifer
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Thats GREAT
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3/22/2010 8:50:03 AM
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I just countered it with a negative!!
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HARRY
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Thats GREAT
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3/22/2010 2:41:31 PM
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MM +1 Lifer -4
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Lifer
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Learn to connect the dots
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3/23/2010 2:41:38 PM
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before you go mouthing off about things that you know nothing about.
Febs response was to copperline, not MM. One those +'s for MM is from me. I enjoy his posts imensely.
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HARRY
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Learn to connect the dots
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3/23/2010 5:38:52 PM
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I believe you are a bit confused
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Lifer
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Who's confused?
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3/23/2010 7:05:45 PM
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You might want to look at your last post in response to me. It is indented under mine. That means it is is response to me. Although febs post falls lower down the chain, it is direct response to copperline, jsut as MM's response was also. After 10+ years of posting here, I know how to read the forum quite well thank you very much!!
Now I repeat, who is confused?
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HARRY
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Who's confused?
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3/23/2010 9:34:54 PM
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you have confused yourself
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| Name: |
Lifer
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Ok, I'll take my #1 fallback position
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3/23/2010 10:01:37 PM
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"never argue with idiots, bystanders might not be able to tell the difference"
But you might want to notice how each of these responses is indented. No need to apoligize. I am sure you have dug in so far now that you can't admit the fact that you are wrong. You must be a liberal.
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HARRY
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Ok, I'll take my #1 fallback position
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3/24/2010 8:27:54 AM
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"Never argue with idiots". Good advice. Think I'll take it.
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Lifer
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Just to prove a point...
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3/24/2010 8:49:19 AM
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I have gone back and responded to your original post to show you how to connect the dots.
You are only showing your ignorance by continuing to defend and demonstrate your own ignorance.
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