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Nutin Bitein
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 8:42:25 AM
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John Mccain is tring to get taxes on gas removed for the summer months. Here is a website to support..
URL: http://www.johnmccain.com
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How about drilling in Alaska instead, or opening up some new refineries.
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jrh3
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 9:32:13 AM
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That would make way too much sense for a Washington insider to propose........
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Pontoonfisher
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 10:41:15 AM
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How about the American public slowing down and driving the speed limit and/or purchasing more fuel efficient vehicles?
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water_watcher
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 11:13:05 AM
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Opening up drilling that the democrats are blocking is critical. But a new refinery if started today would take at least 5 years to build and by some estimates closer to 10 years. The other problem no one wants them near them, but the same people want to complain about prices.
There are short term and long term options, the short term is more drilling and "maybe" provide tax credits to automakers or individuals to bring the price of hybrids in line with gas only models, but also make the credit larger based on the MPG of the hybrid. They can make 100 mpg hybrids, so ramp up the credit on that basis.
A longer term option is to start building the infrastructure for Hydrogen fuel stations. The technology has been proven, keeps environmentalist happy, very fuel efficient ... problem is can't build the cars until people can buy the fuel. The oil comapanies are not going to build the infrastructure to replace their fuel.
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UncleSam
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 11:17:09 AM
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That would require Americans to show some forethought, and to take a bit of responsibility for their own actions. It's much easier to blame politicians.
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water_watcher
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 11:17:11 AM
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One other thing ... i don't like the high prices either ... but i travel to europe and asia quite a bit and prices are at least double what we pay and have been for years. Try over $4 per "liter" in europe. Umm that is over $12 a gallon.
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You have to think a little bigger and browder here folks. Petro is used in more products than fuel! Asphalt, plastics, etc..etc..etc.. so....You have to think outside the box! It's not about fast cars, boats etc...
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Pier Pressure
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 11:36:17 AM
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I was watching a documentary on Hydrogen fuel cells. Over 90% of all commercially available hydrogen requires natural gas to produce. So, there is still a dependance on fossil fuels. Once the technology is discovered to produce hydrogen withouth this dependance, you will see its use skyrocket.
Lets hope it is soon...
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UncleSam
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 12:53:20 PM
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You're right; it's wrong to think that it's all about fast boats, etc; likewise, it's wrong to assume that other people think that it's all about fast boats, cars, and the like.
It's all about dependence on available resources. In this case, the resource is oil, and the dependence is high, which raises the price and creates a lot of teeth-gnashing.
But if you reduce the dependence in one area, you raise the availability (and thus lower the price) in the other areas.
Think of it this way: you have a well, and you can draw 100 gallons of water per day from that well. When you total up what you need for bathing, cooking, car-washing and drinking each day, you discover that 100 gallons is probably not enough water to suit your needs. Oh no! There's not enough water! You need to buy some extra... and the guy who sells it knows this, and jacks the price accordingly.
But then, you discover that you can bathe and wash the car using rainwater that you collect in a barrel (and you also realize that you don't need to wash the car every day anyway.) Suddenly, that 100 gallons is plenty for drinking and cooking; there's even a little left over for other uses, or emergencies. You don't need to buy water anymore; with the demand lessened, the guy who is selling it has to drop the price to a more reasonable level.
The problem isn't that fossil fuels are used in so many different ways; the problem is that we have created a society that has become dependent on those fuels in all of those ways, when we could have-- and hopefully still can-- used alternative ways to get what we need without oil.
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LifeTime Laker
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Hydrogen Generators
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5/2/2008 1:49:02 PM
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Why is it that you can wear an oxygen generator in a fanny pack around your waiste, but a hydorgen generator is as big as a house? There is more hydorngen than there is oxygen. The next Bill Gates or Alfed Nobel is the man that creates a hydrogen generator that will fit in the trunk of a car. Then no filling stations will be needed. Imagine that.
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MartiniMan
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/2/2008 2:03:10 PM
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I think its a great idea to eliminate the federal gas taxes. Would drop the price per gallon by around $0.18. Not great but a step in the right direction. I have some comments about the current gas prices that cover a lot of territory.
First, most of the rise in gas prices in the U.S is being caused by the weak dollar. Yes, gas in Europe is $12/gallon but remember, not that long ago the dollar and euro were about equal. Today it costs $1.5 for every euro. Take it back to currency parity and gas is $8/gallon which is not that big a rise for Europeans. So, a stronger dollar (which is starting to happen) will ease gas prices.
Second, we have for the last 20+ years made misguided political decisions regarding drilling for oil in certain areas and making it nearly impossible to build new refining capacity. Those misguided policies are bearing the fruit in terms of higher energy prices. As an example, Bill Clinton vetoed drilling in ANWR in 1995 which had been proposed in the federal budget. Since then any attempts to open ANWR has been met with filibusters and other motions that have not been overcome. Even if we opened up ANWR today it would be 10 years before that oil can be delivered to the markets. Making reasonable decisions about opening drilling in many of these areas will be a long-term solution but won't help in the short term.
Conservation is likewise a longer term solution. Reducing our demand in the U.S. will help but only a little. There is still strong world-wide demand for oil, particularly in developing countries that are driving toward first world status (i.e., India, China, etc.). We can't control that and will definitely see the effects. As for replacement sources, with the current cost structure a lot of technologies and more importantly, brain power and ingenuity, will be applied to finding solutions. Again, this is a longer term solution.
Finally, government is not the solution to this problem, government created this problem.
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8hcap
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5/2/2008 2:13:04 PM
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Amen MM. John McCain said on the Glenn Beck show this morning that he would rather drill for oil in the Grand Canyon than in Anwar. Once again it is hard to distinguish the three front-runners. None of them have any business being President of the United States.
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Nutin Bitein
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a good website
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5/2/2008 2:52:02 PM
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I go to this site twice a week to see whats new in the news. Also to fins cheaper gas.
URL: http://www.birminghamgasprices.com/
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Summer Lover
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Hydrogen Generators
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5/2/2008 3:06:28 PM
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All we need is cars that run on methane, and some of us would never have to shut the car off. Most of us can convert tacos, hamburgers and beer into that fuel.
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water_watcher
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/2/2008 7:16:43 PM
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While the gas tax may "only" be 18 to 25 cents a gallon. The politician make a huge deal about oil company profits ... which are high. But the oil companies make 8 to 10 cents a gallon. So the government collects around twice what the oil companies make on a gallon, plus the tax the 8 cents a gallon through corporate income taxes as well. Now the government does nothing other than impose the tax, yet the oil companies have to drill, extract and refine the oil ... then transport it to your local gas station to make that 8 cents. So who should be imposed the windfall profit tax ... i say the government, not the business that employees people and makes the money.
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LifeTime Laker
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/2/2008 8:47:44 PM
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I made this same post a couple of weeks ago. The sheeple just ignore the harsh reality of economics. But since 'the children' are educated by the government who do you think they are taught to direct their ire at. It certainly isn't governmet.
And BTW- the cumalative taxes on gasoline average 47 cents nationwide.
Since I started reading about John Taylor Gatto he has become my newest hero. I don't don't use the 'H' word lightly. I am not one that thinks every single firefighter, cop, EMT etc are heroes. Not even all of our brave men and women in the U.S. Armed Forces should be bestowed that status. They are all great Americans, but not all heroes. Since Sept 11th that term has been widely over used. To bestow the title too lightly diminishes those that show true heroism. IMO anyway.
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water_watcher
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/3/2008 7:59:38 AM
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Then we definitely agree. I think it is sad that our political leader turn "profits" in to something bad. Umm ... we are a capitalist society and economy. The government taxes the heck out of us personally on the income we make from working, plus taxes us with everything we buy, including fuel and energy. They tax the companies as well. Then they have the battle cry about companies exporting jobs to other countries and how they are going to impose even more regulation as the answer.
Wrong! Create incentives to keep jobs in this country and make it more cost effective to produce here. They talk about the low wages in China and Mexico .... but the reality as a bussiness man is the elimination of all the government taxes that makes it cheaper to produce in other countries and then bring it back to the USA to sell.
And while i am on my soap box ...unions have done more harm to workers than they ever created when they came in to existence. They were more worried about lining their pockets with dues from workers.
Lastly, the US economy is a huge consuming economy. There is no way we could not import in to the US. Trying would create unbelievable shortages and huge inflation. Good old supply and demand. Supply would be short and demand still high so it would drive prices up. Who does inflation hurt the most ... lower income people.
The answer is to recognize we do have a world economy. The US government should reduce taxes and create incentives to maximize production in the US. Then TAX "CONSUMPTION" ... NOT "PRODUCTION". The biggest consumers are individuals with the most money and income, so it does make them pay the most tax. What is so difficult about this concept.
One last thing, the governent should do what other countries do ... give businesses incentives for "exports" to make our products cheaper to sell in other countries. Instead they tax imports of products we need and either can't produce in this country or can't produce enough. That is just taking more out of our pockets.
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muddauber
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/3/2008 8:17:45 AM
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We'll likely never see any real change in our tax system. Way too much power in those committees for the pols to give up. Once you control the purse strings, the rest have to dance your tune.
For myself, for some time now, I've voted against every incumbent. When they are no longer a career, maybe then we will have a responsible government For the people.
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LifeTime Laker
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/3/2008 9:38:39 AM
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Sounds like you supprt the 'FairTax'. You may not even be familiar with it. Google it or go to FairTax.org. This would be the biggest power shift and the greatest econamic incentive the world has ever seen.
URL: Fair Tax Website
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water_watcher
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/3/2008 10:42:35 AM
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Overall I support it. But i also feel it has some drawback that would have to be figured out ... like businesses, small and large, collecting that amount of tax dollars without there being corruption or misrepresenting the actual sales or dollars collected. That problem exists today collecting sales taxes and it is difficult to control. So what happens when the number is much, much larger.
The concept of the fair tax is right on the money, but issues like that would have to be figured out. There would have to be a strong deterent like, you go to jail for 5 years, no options if you are caught cheating the system.
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MartiniMan
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GAS TAX PROPOSAL
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5/3/2008 11:08:36 AM
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I wouldn't be too hard on John McCain. I saw an interview with him the other day and he indicated that if elected President he would reach across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion to get things done. The interviewer said, "You men to the Democrats?" He replied, "No, to the Republicans". ;-)
I didn't support him in the primaries but he is incrementally better than Billary or the Obaminator.
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LifeTime Laker
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/3/2008 2:11:14 PM
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The incentive is already in place in a way. Everyone gets to keep a cut as it pases up the food chain. Imagine WalMart going from spending millions a year for tax compliance to making millions by collecting it for the feds. That is just one of the many reasons all the major retailers suppprt the plan.
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bishop812
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/4/2008 3:58:56 PM
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Hey water watcher did not have a problem with anything you were saying until you got to unions. I worked my whole life in construction as a non union worker. In 2000 I was allowed in the electrical union and finally got retirement, annuity, full health insurance, and a representative from the union I could call when unsafe conditions were happening on job sites. So if these are what you call a waste then you must be one of those bosses that line their pockets and don't care if his workers kids are taking care of if they are sick.
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water_watcher
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/4/2008 8:32:37 PM
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Not at all ... i have responsibility for many manufacturing operations and safety of our employees is a big part of my compensation. I have both union and non union operations and i do know our non union plants get better benefits and wages. Employees get merit increases based on performance than everyone getting the same. That drives productivity ... if you are a more dedicated worker than the guy next to you, don't you feel that should be recognized? If it is not, then what incentive is there for you to be a more dedicated employee to more yourself up. The reason non union plants get higer wages is partly because of this and flexibility to run the operation. The union fights for so many work rules that it causes productivity problems or you cant run a machine without calling in the person that is next in line or there will be a grivance filed.
But I am glad you are happy. That is all that matters. There was an interesting article i recently read about the Bush tax cuts the democratic candidates will not renew and are against. In every tax bracket people paid less than they did under Clinton. So how does that help the working class? I don't know about you, but i would rather keep more of my money and have less socialist programs that the government runs. That is why the Fair Tax makes sense ... it taxes consumption and not production and individuals. So you decide how to spend your money or save it. Necessities like food are not taxed.
How can you argue with that. Who says the goverment knows better how to spend your money you earn. That is why they take it before you see it. Imagine the tax revolt if you had to write a check each month to the government or what was taken out of your pay check. But people dont say anything because they never see it to start with so never feel it was theres.
The government is giving you the tax rebate to go spend ... hello it is your money they are giving back to you.
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8hcap
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Oil Profits vs Gov Tax
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5/4/2008 9:42:02 PM
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and the government is borrowing it to give it back to you.
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