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MartiniMan
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/17/2010 2:25:43 PM
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Here is a statistic that demonstrates why intact families consisting of one man and one woman is worth defending.
Unfortunately, there is an epidemic of negligence among fathers today, and consequently (according to the CDC, DoJ, DHHS and the Bureau of the Census) the 30 percent of children who live apart from their fathers will account for 63 percent of teen suicides, 70 percent of juveniles in state-operated institutions, 71 percent of high-school dropouts, 75 percent of children in chemical-abuse centers, 80 percent of rapists, 85 percent of youths in prison, 85 percent of children who exhibit behavioral disorders, and 90 percent of homeless and runaway children.
Is it just me or is this scary?
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Talullahhound
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/17/2010 5:25:58 PM
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Of course it is scary. Not all kids with single parents go off the track, but some do. Even in the event of divorce, studies show that kids need to feel like they still have a strong parental interest.
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MartiniMan
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/17/2010 9:56:20 PM
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What is really interesting about these statistics is that it is not really "single" parent per se but the reason for it. If you look at children raised by a single parent where one spouse died the statistics show they are more like two parent families than children of divorced parents. It is absolutely true that many, if not most, kids raised by a single parent turn out OK but it is undeniable the negative impact of a lack of a father in the house has on kids. What is frightening to me is the percentage of black children born out of wedlock that never have a father figure. Just another strike against an already at risk population.
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GoneFishin
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CZAR Martini
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6/17/2010 10:44:06 PM
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"What is frightening to me is the percentage of black children born out of wedlock that never have a father figure. Just another strike against an already at risk population. "
Martini. you and I are in complete agreement. What do you propose as a solution to slow or stop it? Children born out of wedlock tend to repeat it as they become teenagers.
I knew you are pro life and I assume as a Catholic against use of birth control measures other than the rhythm method and abstinence.
I know you feel the government is not the solution and more tax money is not the solution. I assume you want to reduce or cut welfare and food stamps.
If you were the Czar of Single Parents, how would you propose to solve the problem over the decade?
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Talullahhound
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/17/2010 10:53:42 PM
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Maybe all those children would benefit from some really good social programs that you seem to hate and resent so much...
Until the black community itself makes "baby mommas" socially and culturally unacceptable, this will continue perpetuating itself. It's a sad situation.
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MartiniMan
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CZAR Martini
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6/18/2010 8:45:00 AM
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First of all I could not take the pay cut to be a czar. I am glad you brought up the issue of contraception because I think you need a little education on that issue. I will not do this justice but there is a lady named Janet Smith, PhD who has a CD called "Contraception, Why Not" that is very thorough in addressing this issue. You can download it from her website for free. http://www.janetsmith.excerptsofinri.com/ I will tell you that I was not opposed to contraception until I listened to her CD a couple of times and it finally brought home to me the societal damage done by contraception. This is not a Catholic argument that she makes but one that is based on the impact of contraception on society.
Perhaps a good start is to ask some questions. "Why is that since contraception has become widely available and widely accepted has the number of unwanted, out of wedlock pregnancies skyrocketed?" "Why is it that since contraception has become widely available and widely accepted has the number of sexually transmitted diseases skyrocketed?" "Why is it that since contraception has become widely available and
widely accepted has the number of failed marriages
skyrocketed?" "Why is it that since contraception has become widely available and
widely accepted has the number of abortions
skyrocketed?" You see the argument for accepting contraception back in the 1960s was based on good intentions and yet as Pope Paul VI predicted, none of the supposed benefits would happen and in fact things will be much worse. If you have the open mind and listen to her presentation we can talk more but if you insist that all these problems are better now than in the 1960s, flying in the face of all evidence to the contrary, then a discussion is not going to be meaningful.
As for what I think needs to happen I will start off by stating unequivocally that I am no expert in this area. I have read some on the subject and all I know is what does not work and statistically speaking what does work. How to get rid of what doesn't work and promote what does, and I quote the Messiah, is above my pay grade. What does not work is the creation of a welfare state where women are financially rewarded for having children out of wedlock and letting the father of the child off the hook. What does not work are programs that promote the concept of "safe sex" that don't challenge the teens to wait until marriage. These programs are more widely available and more accepted than ever and yet the problem continues to grow.
What does work is the promotion of traditional marriage between a man and a woman as the best possible formula for future happiness and providing the best possible environment for raising children. We also have to be willing to challenge our teens to be abstinent and make that the expectation and not just one choice among many. I can already hear your keyboard clacking away telling me I am naive, it can never happen, blah, blah, blah. I know it won't be easy and I know it won't work with every teen but program after program in inner-city schools that are properly designed and properly implemented have shown positive results. They are not perfect and there are still problems but when compared to the status quo they are more effective. There is much more to say on the subject but time is limited.
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MartiniMan
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/18/2010 8:48:50 AM
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Maybe you should define exactly what good social programs you are talking about. You may be surprised as to what I do and don't support. If you are talking about welfare and other programs that financially reward destructive behavior you are right, I don't support them because we have 40 years of evidence that they do not work. If you are talking about programs that would support traditional marriage and abstinence only then I would not only support them I would be all for government funding of them.
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GoneFishin
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/18/2010 4:27:31 PM
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I find it quite amazing and surprising that you would support government funding for any social programs. Basically, as I understand it you have no problem if the federal government uses tax money to support causes that you believe in. How does that differ from those liberals who believe the same. Just different causes that you don't support. Yet, every program you disagree with you shout leftist liberal big government spending using tax dollars. The rigid positions of self righteousness that conservatives support is why so many independents have a hard time voting for them.
If the Republicans were to take control of the house in November, Shakedown Barton will be head of the committee that regulates big oil. His statement will come back to haunt the republicans in November.
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Talullahhound
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/18/2010 8:09:45 PM
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I was thinking more about the kind of school programs and after school programs that keep kids off the street and engaged with adults who care. Exposure to role models that are the local drug dealer. Programs that involve fun that doesn't involve weapons or crime.
Of course, I believe in traditional marriage, because that is the culture I come from. But it's not the cultural norm in the hood. Not many role models. Remember the Million Man March (forgetting for a second, Louis Farakan) -- remember that the men there were taking a pledge about taking care of their children and being a part of their lives? What happened to that?
Abstinence? I think it is an ideal concept, but raging hormones amongst people that don't even view traditional marriage as a possibility? Doubtful. Better to educate them about birth control, and cut off their welfare after a year. Money talks in the hood. (or so I'm told)
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MartiniMan
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The sad reality of fatherhood in America
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6/21/2010 10:07:19 AM
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Hound, I agree that traditional marriage is not the norm in economically disadvantaged areas but you have to ask the question why. It isn't about poverty because in the past blacks were very devoted to the concept of the family. What economic or societal circumstances caused them to move away from traditional marriage much more rapidly than other segments of society? I maintain, and there is plenty of peer-reviewed research to back it up, that the government's war on poverty started by Johnson and his great society concept was the root of this evil. Once again, liberal intentions that were good but fly in the face of common sense, human nature and all evidence to the contrary. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work or even makes things worse as long as the leftists mean well.
As for your prescription for teenage pregnancies, can't you see that all the evidence points to the failure of your approach? Well designed and well funded (private funding GF) abstinence only programs work better than your approach. What amazes me is you take a program like yours that results in x% teen pregnancy and compare it to abstinence only programs that result in lower pregnancy rates and you pronounce the abstinence programs a failure because they are not 100% effective. Don't you see that this makes absolutely no sense? Let's do what works best even if it isn't perfect rather than blindly continuing to do what works worse.......why don't people give teens more credit?
I do agree with your cutting off welfare funding because it promotes and rewards bad behavior.
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