Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Uh huh
Date:	3/27/2013 11:10:41 AM

Homophobia:  the irrational fear of Homosexuals based on myths & prejudice.

if God is opposed to Homosexuality, i missed that part in Sunday School class.  i don’t recall Jesus saying anything about it.   Also, there is nothing in the 10 Commandments that i can see …..except the “love thy neighbor” part which is roundly circumvented in many ways by Christians since Moses pronounced them.   Beyond that point, i’d object on the grounds that Christianity is not everyone’s chosen path, why should someone be forced to follow a version of religion they don’t accept?

As far as “they don’t create children, they recruit” sentiments go, i really think this is a prime example of that innate irrational fear that permeates Homophobic people and probably is the fundamental reason why homosexuality is treated with such hysterical condemnation.    Think about it, could someone really talk you into completely changing who you are sexually attracted to?   if you are straight, can you seriously envision someone talking you into gay sex?  i doubt it.

if you are deeply concerned about the ability of Homosexuals to “recruit”, then we’d also have to assume that someone fearing this has a bit of doubt about their own sexual orientation… enough of a doubt to believe their ‘choice’ could be undone by the seductive influence of gays looking for new conquests.   Balderdash.    Sexuality is determined by our biology, not by logic & reason.  What constitutes a sexually attractive object is written into our physical chemistry from the ground up, and can’t be altered any more than the true color of your hair or skin.   People who are born with the tendency to be attracted to same-sex relationships are no more warped than people who are asexual in the sense that they have no sex drive at all.

Regarding the politics of all this, i say again:  politics has nothing to do with being homosexual, nor does homosexuality have anything to do with politics.   Anybody remember J Edgar Hoover?   What about Ronald Reagan’s son, or Dick Cheney’s daughter?   it's humorous to think of all gays being lumped together as leftist radicals when there has been a group called Log Cabin Republicans for many, many years.

if 2-3% of the populace is gay (who the heck knows what the true number is)… then 2-3% of your relatives, co-workers, neighbors, priests & churchmen are too……   This issue is going down the same path as racial discrimination went in the 60's, when concerns about the disintegration of the (white) family and damage to the social order were seen as horrible consequences of ending the laws that dictated how people could conduct their lives.   it was nonsense then, it's nonsense now.

Name:	h_hob -	Reply
Subject:	Uh huh
Date:	3/27/2013 11:45:24 AM

Romans 1:26-27

KJV (King James Version 1611): For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

MSG (The Message, 1993): Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either – women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men – all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it – emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.

NLT: (New Living Translation, 1996): That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

ESV: (English Standard Version, 2001): For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Name:	h_hob -	Reply
Subject:	No
Date:	3/27/2013 8:36:01 PM

Romans 1:26-27

KJV (King James Version 1611): For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

MSG (The Message, 1993): Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either – women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men – all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it – emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.

NLT: (New Living Translation, 1996): That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

ESV: (English Standard Version, 2001): For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

You may even confer with the other 2/3 of your Ménage à trois for help in reading and understanding.

Name:	h_hob -	Reply
Subject:	Huh?!?!?
Date:	3/29/2013 7:04:14 PM

copperpiece approaches life much the same as tallulah hound.  In fact, it could be the hound incognito.  I truly believe his Ménage à trois has addled his brain.