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rude evin
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Obama may have to......
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8/30/2009 3:34:44 PM
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break tax pledge. 'Tax pledge to middle class is a target now as the deficits and debt grow'. As MM or WW or others here might say........what a shock ...huh?...........we didn't see that coming!!!! Before this is over, looks like the President will have told a big 'Obama'. Congrats Archy, JAG et al, looks like you will get to share in the funding of all these programs and stimuli that you voted for and like so unquestioningly!
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Your source for this info?....
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8/30/2009 3:42:24 PM
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water_watcher
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Obama may have to......
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I saw that analysis this morning on the news as well. Time will tell. We all believed that would happen since Obama has lied about nearly everything to get his agenda ... now he is realizing he it is either bankrupt the country and send it in to a tail spin, or break his promise that no one under $250,000 would get a tax increase. He is actually already breaking that with the elimination of deductions which increase the effective rate without raising the nominal rate. Also if cap and trade passes this will be a huge tax increase on every american, not to mention the forced tax to pay for his socialist health plan.
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Your source for this info?....
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8/30/2009 4:10:44 PM
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don't you ever watch the news? Or don't they report that on MSNBC that is way down in the ratings?
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architect
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Oh FOX..
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8/30/2009 4:41:53 PM
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The news station with the HIGHEST ratings and is fair and balanced showing both sides of an issue and always invites guests with alternative points of view so viewers can hear both sides of an issue.
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This was already
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8/30/2009 5:17:14 PM
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raised and refuted by the WH. Several Sundays ago, Geitner refused to rule out the possibility of future middle class tax increases on George Stephanopolis's Sunday show. Obama went on record the very next day, with Geitner standing next to him, looking sheepish, that he will not do this.
So I'm not sure where you guys are getting your news from. I watched a half hour of Fox the other day and it was so biased against Obama -- just like you accuse of stations of being pro-Obama.
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This was already
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8/30/2009 5:37:06 PM
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I agree it was surfaced previously ... but it really is coming down to no option. If he doesn't raise the marginal rate, he will do it through other taxes and elimination of deductions. If not an outright lie, than very misleading. But that does not seem to phase him about anything else.
As for Fox being biased against Obama, I am sure if you do not agree with a news report about him it would seem biased. but the facts are the facts. Are you saying that Fox distorted the truth or lied? I know they annoy me sometimes because they go too far in trying to be balanced and get some crazy on that trys to get all the liberal talking points in and control the conversation and Fox lets them go on trying not to appear biased or cutting off an alternative view.
I will agree their anchors seem to embrace the conservative view more, just like the other stations embrace the liberal side .... but overall Fox does seem fair and balanced .... or at least much more than the alternatives.
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rude evin
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Before ya'll make......
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8/30/2009 5:41:33 PM
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a silly fool of yourselves........it was in my favorite big town conservative newspaper...........the Wash Post......saturday, 8/29/09 edition.........
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This was already
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8/30/2009 6:42:05 PM
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WW ... this may be the funniest thing you have ever posted ...
WW: "I know they (Fox News) annoy me sometimes because they go too far in trying to be balanced and get some crazy on that trys to get all the liberal talking points in and control the conversation and Fox lets them go on trying not to appear biased or cutting off an alternative view."
So the only thing that annoys you about Fox News is that you think they let liberals talk too much? Seriously?
You are a trip man .... I gotta get some of whatever you are smoking/drinking ...
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JustAGuy
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8/30/2009 6:46:47 PM
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Please don' put MM and WW in the same category ... Thanks.
And if indeed Obama raises taxes on families making less than $250K I will be the first to come here and post that he lied. It hasn't happened yet.
And for the umpteenth time ... none of you know what I voted for/against ... and you have no idea what I do/don't question. Speak for yourselves and stop interpreting what I believe/support.
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Before ya'll make......
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8/30/2009 6:57:17 PM
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Very interesting article Evin ... thanks for posting.
If Obama does break this pledge ... it will be part of his downfall .. just like GHW Bush's "Read my lips ... no new taxes".
My hope is that Obama will temper his plans to realistically face deficits ... budgets ... etc. As I've stated before (and been creamed for it) I don't want this administration to take on too much too fast ... if they do, they will fail.
Time will tell.
URL: Washington Post Article
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Tell me ...
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8/30/2009 7:48:39 PM
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what else could possibly bother me about the most popular and highest rated news channel? I am in good company. Maybe you should be questioning your thinking since you seem out of sync. But of course you would not do that .... liberals (even thought you refuse to admit it) always think they are right and everyone else is wrong.
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News Flash ...
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They have already failed ... it is just that people like you are still in denial .... i am sure you will wake up too at some point.
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That's what drives them crazy... if they can't put you in a box and label you. They are so far into their boxes, they can't think.
Fox News has no credibility with me. It was well known in Washington that they were a mouthpiece for the Bush Administration and they continue to be a mouthpiece for the Republicans. In fact, it was considered to be PC to have Fox News running in your outer office. Prior to Bush, everyone had CNN.
It's a shame that news outlets can't just report the news anymore without a spin of some sort.
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Tell me ...
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8/30/2009 9:42:34 PM
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So being the most popular and highest rated gives them credibility? ... Then "Friends" and "Sex and the City " are accurate representations of young adults in New York City .... all white folks ... no blacks ... no hispanics or asians ...
I have said on numerous occasions that there are reporters/journalists on Fox News that I enjoy and respect ... there are others that I am not a fan of ... but I haven't heard ANYBODY say that they think the problem with Fox News is that they let liberals talk too much ... that only happens in WW-land.
WW: "liberals (even thought you refuse to admit it) always think they are right and everyone else is wrong."
I have admitted on several occasions on this very website that I have been wrong about things. I defy you to show me one thing you have ever admitted to being wrong about.
I say again ... you are a trip man
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With Regard to Fox
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8/30/2009 10:10:17 PM
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With some obvious exceptions, the panels on Fox have liberal representation and spirited liberal-conservative debates. Just today there was one (don't remember which) that had two NPR folks - Liason and Williams. And the other night Laura Ingram was substituting for O'Reilly and she had Alan Colmes on and he took her apart. And speaking of O'Reilly, in spite of his pomposity he openly invites those he criticizes to come on his show -- and almost to the person they won't.
You don't see that kind of give and take on the liberal media outlets. Olberman and Maddow probably couldn't handle it.
In spite of the antics of some of the hosts,I watch Fox as my primary news outlet. At least I can get a smattering of balanced reporting.
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JustAGuy
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With Regard to Fox
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8/30/2009 10:28:07 PM
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Hodja .. I agree .. several of the Fox News programs have a good spectrum of views .. I am a particular fan of Brit Hume's show ... but I also like This Week with Stepanopolous ... today they had George Will, Liz Cheney .. E.J. Dionne ... Gwen Ifill ... and Sam Donaldson ... a very good mix ...
I used to love Meet the Press with Tim Russert ... not so much a fan now with David Gregory.
My point is ... this is what I want from all the news agencies .. give me good discussion by honest people with different opinions ... don't give me one-sided "opining" from either the left or the right.
As for O'Reilly ... unfortunately I have a hard time getting past his pomposity, to listen to what he is saying .... just my personal taste I suppose. I feel the same way about Olbermann. And while many have refused to visit O'Reilly ... many have visited... Rosie O'Donnell ... Hilary Clinton ... Obama (okay, he waite til very late in the campaign).
I don't have a primary news outlet .. I hit all the channels and stop when I see something that I find intriguing.
To each his/her own ...
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JustAGuy
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Forgot to ask ...
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8/30/2009 10:30:40 PM
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MrHodja ... you think Fox News has a good mix of liberal/conservative discussion ... but do you ... like WW .. ever feel that Fox News is giving the liberals too much air time to espouse their liberal views? That's the part I can't swallow.
Thanks.
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Forgot to ask ...
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8/30/2009 10:37:27 PM
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Fox has a mix of liberal and conservative representatives. Whether they favor one or the other is in the eyes of the beholder.
I'm practicing my campaign mode....:>)
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Forgot to ask ...
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8/30/2009 10:52:24 PM
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Always love your posts MrHodja ... you and Yankee are my faves.
Take Care.
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JAG
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8/30/2009 11:57:20 PM
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And the other networks are not an outlet for the Democrats?
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JAG there you go again
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8/31/2009 6:25:29 AM
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"S" ... shifting the conversation .... "I" Ignoring the facts ... "N" name calling.
We were talking about news channels not sitcoms. And yes, the programs you mentioned (all out of production) did at the time reflect a segment of the lives of individuals in that age group. Why would every sitcom program have to touch on all demographics of the population? It is not the news. There are black sitcoms as well. Wake up from your dream world.
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and Jag ...
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8/31/2009 6:32:25 AM
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if you would learn to read man .... rather than only see what you want ... I said that sometimes Fox goes too far in giving liberals too much air time trying to make thier point. Reason being is their logic many times is so flawed (as your is) that it takes them longer to make sense.
But maybe that is what Fox is doing ... letting them make fools out of themselves trying to make a point that can not be made.
That is my view .... you are entitled to yours as well (enjoy it while you still have that freedom) but as a typical liberal attack dog when someone does not agree with your thinking ... you automatically say they are wrong and you are right. "N".
Get a life.
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I'm going to retrench
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8/31/2009 6:58:37 AM
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Yes, I think some of the shows definitely have a bias. Oberman in particular. Can't abide the man. I haven't watched Rachel Meadows enough to say. On the other side, I can't stand O'Reilly.
But mornings, I watch "Morning Joe" on MSNBC and he is a conservative. He has a mix of guests too.
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Well WW
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8/31/2009 9:22:48 AM
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You most certainly know about people making fools of themselves!
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The problem Hound
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8/31/2009 9:26:41 AM
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is that so few on this forum consider Joe conservative. If you are even nano hair to the left of Sarah P. or big Rush just forget it.
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rude evin
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Well Archy...........
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8/31/2009 9:28:43 AM
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Was that source.......the Wash Post good enough for you.......and now to the substance of the piece..........what say you??
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The problem Hound
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8/31/2009 4:50:20 PM
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The real problem is Archie likes to speak for others and knows not of what he speaks.
Of course Joe Scarborough is broadly speaking a conservative but you have to understand there are shades of conservatism like there are shades of liberalism. What I don't like about him is he seems to think the formula for financial success is to bash his fellow Republicans. It gets him only so far as evidenced by the fact that his book advocating Rockefeller or Lincoln Chafee brand of Republicanism completely bombed. The reason it bombed is because, while it may appeal to some moderates, it only takes a cursory examination of history over the last 25 years to see that true fiscal and social conservatism is the only way to electoral success.
McCain provided the most recent example that the national electorate is not interested in Democrat-lite. And Republicans that eschew fiscal conservatism will be tossed out of Congress on their ear as well they should. The only way we will be broadly successful is if we take the argument for conservatism to the American people which if articulated in the right way appeals to enough moderates that hold mostly conservative beliefs.
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