Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Atlanta Mayor has Wuhan virus
Date:	7/7/2020 8:36:28 AM

Despite wearing a mask all the time and constantly lecturing others to do so......they do not work folks, and this is yet another example.  You can be sure though that she participated in the marches over the last several weeks.  A coincindence?  I think not. 

And now Gov Kemp has to send in the National Guard to do the job of the ATL police who are refusing to work because when they do their job they get charged by corrupt AG's.  Murders and all varieties of violent crime are way up in all these large cities run by Democrats. 

Biden will do the same to the country if he is elected.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Atlanta Mayor has Wuhan virus
Date:	7/7/2020 8:42:47 AM

Maybe she was exposed when she didn't have a mask on. Maybe she would have caught it weeks ago had she not worn a mask most of the time. No way to know. No way does this prove that masks don't work.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Atlanta Mayor has Wuhan virus
Date:	7/7/2020 8:52:20 AM (updated 7/7/2020 9:05:06 AM)

The incubation timeframe for the virus is 2 to 14 days, hence the CDC and WHO recommended 14-day quarantine.  And she has been wearing and touting the effectiveness of masks for way longer than 14 days.  If the masks were effective she would not have gotten the virus.  I have worn a mask exactly twice since the pandemic started (to attend mass) and I have worked in my office since the pandemic started and I have not been infected.  That is because I am diligent with social distancing and personal hygiene, the two things that I know make a difference. 

I found an article as far back as early May where she told people to not only wear a mask but she wanted it to be mandatory.

If I were to guess, she believed that the mask protected her and she did not observe the other measures that actually work and got infected.More people today are wearing masks than ever and yet we have seen a spike in cases......ever wonder why?  Common sense tells us the answer.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Atlanta Mayor has Wuhan virus
Date:	7/7/2020 9:01:30 AM

I just put up hog wire to keep out the mosquitos.

I feel better. You should too.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 9:10:35 AM

You must not be paying attnetion.  The masks are so we, the uninfedted, can prevent ourselves from infecting others.  Just ask the good doc RHH.  He will tell you all about it.  Therefore your Hog Wire fence should have been turned the other way so as to keep YOUR mosqitos on your property and not going to your neighbors house.  Try to keep up man.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 9:23:47 AM (updated 7/7/2020 9:25:09 AM)

Righto, using that illogic the mask doesn't protect you from other people but somehow magically protects other people from you.  The aerosols and droplets for some strange and magical reason cannot escape your mask but equally magically can penetrate the masks of others......such is the end result of a lack of common sense.

Name:	RHH -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 9:41:10 AM

You all are either intentionally obtuse for political reasons or actually just dumb. The only thing that we know masks accomplish is to decrease the distance that your exhalations spread out from your own nose and mouth when you breath, cough or sneeze. Think of it as a way to add to social distancing when you can't actually maintain a "safe" distance. Whether it offers protection to the mask wearer would of course depend on the quality of the mask (pore size).

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 10:32:38 AM (updated 7/7/2020 10:36:25 AM)

No, you completely miss the point.  If the mask does anything to help it should be both coming and going, right?  How can it only work one way?  So if it somehow prevents your droplets and aerosols from escaping then it should likewise prevent other people's droplets and aerosols from entering, right?  Or is it only a magical one-way device?  So if you are wearing a mask then you shouldn't care about whether someone else does or not. 

As for being dumb, I have spent 30 years in the environmental industry where we deal with airborne chemical and biological hazards all the time.  I know the science and I know that these masks only eliminate around 5% of the risk of airborne chemical and biological debris.  If I told my employees that all they needed was these masks they would revolt because they likewise understand the science.  You however, are scientifically illiterate as evidenced by your posts on this issue.  But like I keep saying, listen to the Atlanta mayor and wear your mask....do like her and you will probably also get infected if you loosen up on the other measures, assuming of course you happen to get close to one of the 0.9% of people that supposedly have the virus.

Name:	RHH -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 10:47:39 AM

You truly are a sick person. If 99% of the experts agree with what I am saying, how do you come off as being more informed?  
Politics has nothing to do with my position on this issue. You are either a genius or so caught up in your own narcissism that you can't help yourself. I suspect I know which one applies and that is what makes you so dangerous. 

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Probability
Date:	7/7/2020 10:55:37 AM

MM is correct. (I was also OSHA 1910.120 certified AND a Certified Environmental Specialist).  I am a realist about risk and hazards.  I haven't worn a mask yet.  BUT... I do wash my hands and stay ~6 feet away from people other than family.

Note: you increase the probability of stopping mosquitos if you switch from hog-wire to chain link.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	99% of the experts
Date:	7/7/2020 11:00:58 AM (updated 7/7/2020 11:04:19 AM)

...are inconsistent.  There is so much noise that the signal is lost in the cacophany.  YOU must do the research and think for yourself and DO WHAT'S RIGHT for YOU.  I do not mind in the least bit if you wish to wear a mask to protect yourself from me.

The MSM, Twitter, and FB are NOT reliable sources for research.  Neither are FOX, Breitbart, The Western Journal, or One America News etc.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Invincible ignorance cannot be penetrated
Date:	7/7/2020 11:33:13 AM

Show me a study where 99% of experts agree on this issue.....whatever "expert" means.  I won't hold my breath because there is no such study.  In fact there is no peer reviewed study that I am aware of that confirms that these half-a$$ed masks that people are wearing all over the place do anything more than provide about 5% protection.  But I am open to your vast research knowledge on this issue. 

I can tell you that I am an expert when it comes to PPE for chemical and bilogical hazards.  I have taken the OSHA 40-hour and Supervisor courses, I have been fit tested for full face respirators and I have been trained in Level D through Level A PPE.  And I already showed you a paper in the NEJM, a very prestigious and well known medical journal that confirmed my position along with statements from numerous medical professionals. 

Why don't you admit it, all you know is what you read in the media and hear from politicians that are just covering their butts because they have to say they are doing something.  You provide zero factual basis for your stupid belief in the efficacy of these masks but simply appeal to an authority that doesn't exist....the magical 99% of experts.  Making up so-called facts is a common tool of the scientifically illiterate....just look at Globaloney.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Probability
Date:	7/7/2020 11:38:39 AM

Can you imagine what your response would be if I handed you a cloth mask and sent you into a building with a chemical or biological hazard and told you 99% of "experts" agree this will protect you?  Can you imagine what the OSHA inspector would do to me for telling you that abject lie? 

This is all about politicians and govt scientists/medical professionals covering their sorry backsides because they have to tell us to do something, anything, even if it doesn't work to prevent a virus that cannot be stopped by stupid cloth masks.  Sheeple are so irritating in their self righteous stupidity.  I have said it all along, wear a mask if it makes you feel less anxiety but if you slacken up on the distancing and personal hygiene and manage to come into contact with someone that is contagious you are more likely to get infected like the Mayor did in Atlanta.  People are so illogical......

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 12:21:27 PM

You have stepped in it here RHH.  You seem to be offering MSM talking points while giving zero credibility to two individuals here who KNOW PPE.  Is this how you were taught to digest the scientific literature?

Name:	RHH -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 1:07:55 PM

You all keep missing the basic point. This is not about protecting yourself. This is about decreasing the distance from an unsuspecting presymptomatic/asymptomatic viral shedder's  face so he doesn't expose some unsuspecting passerby in the supermarket aisle. If you can keep YOUR OWN exhalation droplets closer to your face you will decrease the chances of someone else breathing them in. It's about respect for OTHERS, a concept which is clearly foreign to MM. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Leftists have weird ideas of knowledge
Date:	7/7/2020 1:13:39 PM

In my experience this is a common mindset of the left.  They ascribe unusual and totally unwarranted intellectual powers to the govt which is why they are so easily led by the nose.  For some weird reason they give more credibility to a person if they work for the government rather than the private sector.  It has been my long-term, significant experience working with government agencies that they are more likely to attract people who may not have the skills or drive to do well in the private sector.  Not all, but most of the people I deal with at EPA, state agencies, NOAA, etc. could never make it in the private sector and are at best mediocre scientists, engineers, lawyers, etc. 

And they simply refuse to understand what motivates people in government.  They ascribe a level of altruism and honesty of govt employees which is at odds with our vast experience and what actually drives many of their decisions and public positions. It is a weird attribute of the left that cannot be explained other than they never grew up and need an authority figure to slavishly follow, to tell them what to do every moment of their lives rather than to think and do for themselves. 

I tend toward Reagan's mantra that government isn't the solution to our problems, government is the problem.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 1:20:17 PM

You are clearly missing the point that the masks do little to protect you or others.  Can you put aside emotion and think for just a minute?  The virus moves through the mask in both directions.  It moves through the gaps on all sides in both directions.  So don't make this about us not caring about others because that is bovine excrement.  I protect others all day every day when I maintain social distancing and practice diligent personal hygiene.  I take my temperature every morning.  I stay home if I don't feel well and stay away from others. 

I don't wear a mask unless I have to because I KNOW it does not protect myself or others and I see people wearing masks all the time that don't social distance.  I saw thousands of protesters in large crowds with and without masks.  These are the people that don't care about others. 

Like I said, you are invincibly ignorant and I doubt explaining the science to you for the umpteenth time will have any effect.  Wear your mask and think about me every time you order a martini.  I won't think about you at all.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Leftists have weird ideas of knowledge
Date:	7/7/2020 1:25:11 PM (updated 7/7/2020 1:32:25 PM)

What about a law that restricts gubment size/spending to 3% (or some percent) of GNP?

Welfare peeps get a job or go to the farm to feed the truly needy.

Answer:

Among 16 year olds, white 16 year olds are now a minority.

Millenials have just now become the majority over baby boomers.

And just for fun, Tesla is now bigger than Toyota or Exxon Mobil.

2 Thessalonians 3:9

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	RHH you can make sense until you turn purple
Date:	7/7/2020 2:48:49 PM

but until whatever you say also comes from the mouth of the orange Il Duce himself you might as well be talking to a corpse!

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Wrong Shorty
Date:	7/7/2020 3:59:52 PM

I believe from WHO yesterday, the concern now is with microdroplet transmission, which can linger in the air for a considerable period of time.  They stated, surprisingly, that face masks don't offer protection in either direction because the microdroplets can penetrate the fibers current masks.  Is this correct MM?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	That is my understanding
Date:	7/7/2020 4:14:51 PM

When you inhale you bring the smaller droplets (what we call aerosols) through the mask and around the edges and inhale them and vice versa when you exhale.  That's why we have to do fit testing with an irritant smoke to confirm that there are no gaps on the edges of the full face respirator and that the cartridges are the right design to eliminate the chemical or biological hazards you expect to encounter.  Most the air that people exhale wearing the cloth masks actually escape around the edges and most of the air they breath likewise comes from the open edges, even if they feel the mask being sucked into their mouth when they inhale.  Much worse around the edges when you exhale because your breath pushes the mask away from the face and widens the edge openings. 

The masks do help with larger droplets when you cough or sneeze but those don't carry very far anyway.  It's the aerosols that stay suspended in the air in the breathing zone that are most problematic and those are smaller than the cloth (think screen door on a submarine) so they pretty much go right through.  Granted they also carry less virus mass but again, the droplets tend to fall to the ground fairly quickly anyway.