Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/20/2017 8:03:40 PM (updated 8/20/2017 8:09:39 PM)

I let several days ellapse to see if anyone might speak up...they didn't.  Now I am. 

Freedom of speech is very fundamental and important but so is honesty and honor.  Is it possible America reached a dangerous place when a public forum gives little or no negative comment when a member of that forum declares an armed and uniformed group proudly calling themselves Neo-nazis to be ''innocents'' while declaring the Mayor of Charlottesville and the Governor of Virginia to be ''thugs'' and goes on to say anybody who disagrees with his assessment is too stupid and/or illogical to see the truth?

He has the freedom to so state, but is there no concern that there was so little disagreement with his opinion?  I spoke up and I was belittled for doing so.  I fully expect more abuse...that is fine.  My conscience is clear but my heart is troubled.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/20/2017 8:46:27 PM

  No odd listens to you archy. You proved that that in your heart and kind you are a racist. Go to your back fence and talk to your black neighbor and explain to him that you have never been scared of him, even though he is black.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/20/2017 9:30:50 PM

I'm not sure what post you are talking about.  It is a fact that no matter how reprehensible the message those fringe alt right groups have the right to assembly and the right to open carry in VA, and the right to say what they want under the 1st Amendment. 

This right fringe is such a small minority of the population.  It occurs to me that they are likely thrilled with all the press coverage they are getting.  it will serve to embolden them.  I do not know why, on Wednesday, Trump seemingly went back to his original belief that there was fault on both sides.  Well, in a small way that is right, because ALFRA was there, showing up with bats and body armor.  Clearly they didn't show up to participate in a peaceful protest.  I don't know what is in Trump's heart, but given that his daught and son-in-law are Jews, I kinda doubt that he is ready to go march with the neo Nazi.  (By the way, did you notice that they have gone more mainstream - no more shaved heads and jack boots.  This is supposed to make them seem more normal). 

Does it bother you that while our media was covering every inch of the Charlottesville protest, but 600 people in Sirerra Leone disappeared in a sudden mudslide?  Even the terrorist attacks in Spain and Finland didn't get much publicity, while our media parsed every single word uttered by Trump, and attempted to read the body language of everyone around him.  And now, the media is painting all Republicans as racist, in lock step with this fringe element.  Honestly, I doubt anyone of any stripe would say that these hate groups  represent them in any way, shape or form. 

There is no doubt that Trump, in his failure to condemn the hate groups outright has done political damage to himself.  But, he still has 3+ years to turn that around too.  Remember when Bush I was a hero one year and then lost the election the next because by then "it's the economy, stupid" resonated with him.  If that election had taken place one year before, he would have been a 2 term President. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/21/2017 9:03:05 AM (updated 8/21/2017 9:24:58 AM)

Dumbass I never said they were innocents - I was quoting you, you friggin idiot - I said they had a right to assembly and free speech.

Glad to know that you only allow 1st amendment protections to speech you approve of.  

As repugnant as the KKK /white power groups are  - their right to assemble and say stupid crap is protected and thank you for adding that they were saying horrible things "peacefully!!!" and that you object to allowing them their constitutional rights based on the fact that you disagree with them.  If everyone agreed on every topic there would be no need for 1st amendment protections.

2nd amendment protects carrying loaded weapons or else they would have been arrested for carrying - What I find amusing is that you are decrying them their right to have a weapon based on what they are saying, and nothing about the fact that not one round was fired when the situation became violent.  So you dont want people who have a differing viewpoint to have constitutionally protected rights - selective rights like when you agree with them - Talk about "stupidity and failure to see logic"  

What is not protected is showing up with bats, sticks, mace and attempting to stop others from having constitutionally protected rights - free speech, assembly regardless of if you agree with the message or not.  

Heil Archie - Supreme leader of what is acceptable and allowed "even if they are doing so peacefully".   4 legs good 2 legs baddddddd.

I stand by my comments - you have not denounced the AntiFA or BLM for showing up to stop someones right to assemble or to shut down their right to free speech as "repugnant" and "stupid crap" that it is.  Now you are wanting to make the claim that myself or someone else did not come out and say that the Nazi's / Right nationalists were not "innocent" .  So you are now attempting to make the claim that since someone didnt condemn them as "not innocent" and "attacked" your point of view and no one came to your defense - that is because to me your point of view is as repugnant as the Nazi's in most of your comments.

You did not stand up when we were called deplorables, racists, homophobes or bigots.  You said nothing when Berkley, Milwaukee and Portland riots, vandalism and arson.  You did not condemn when BLM said "Pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon."  

We get it you dont mind leftist hate groups, just the ones that used to be leftist groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ4EVqDpG_Q

 My conscience is clear but my heart is troubled by your selective outrage.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/21/2017 10:18:38 AM

And what happened to all the Russia talk?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/21/2017 1:19:29 PM (updated 8/21/2017 1:20:26 PM)

Name:   Moldyoldy  -  Subject:   Riot in Charlottesville Date:   8/13/2017 3:56:15 PM

You are absolutely correct, lifer. George Orwell was prescient. It disgusts me to see how politicians and the media distort facts and spew propoganda. Media says that the "right wingers" came with helmets and shields, so obviously they intended to fight not protest. What a crock, they knew they would get no protection from the democrat msyor, so they brought some protection. The only innocents were the right wing protestors. Blm, mayor, governor, and other officials are just a mob of thugs. But millions of people will believe the lies, because they are too corrupt or stupid to use logic and see the truth.

Went back and found this where Archie has his panties in a wad. where Moldyoldy indicated that the Right wing was innocent and BLM, Mayor and Gov were a mob of thugs.

1. Right wing had a permit, and expected no protection from mayor/ police department, brought their own.

2. Did not get any protection from mayor / police department as expected

3. Did not get a safe zone or anything else that a left wing group would have received.

4. left wing showed up, reports of attacks on right wing, press and several others.

5.  Police stood by and allowed protest to turn violent, and in some instances blocked people from getting away from the antifa/BLM crowd.

6. Left wing had no permits.

ACLU of Virginia

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Oh really?
Date:	8/21/2017 5:02:44 PM

Because there is nothing to report.  Mueller is keeping the "investigation" going for political reasons.  But here comes Charlottesville and now they can parse every word of what Trump said, read between the lines of what he didn't say, and read the body language of everyone around him.  That's much more interesting than anything going on with the Russia investigation. 

Oh, and reporting on the fact that Ivanka and Jared were silent on the subject of the Neo-Nazi.

Today I found an outright lye being told by CNN.  They said that the Secret Service is going broke because of Trump and his family.  The truth is the Agency Director said that it wasn't because of Trump, but because of the overtime that has to be paid to the agents when they work past their 8 hour shift.  (I found it incredible that they were getting overtime, because so many civil service workers reguarly work overtime with no pay.)

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Riot in Charlottesville...8/13/2017...3:56:15 pm
Date:	8/21/2017 11:01:36 PM (updated 8/21/2017 11:10:51 PM)

Moldyoldy said...''The only innocents were the rightwing protestors.  The BLM, mayor, governor and other officials are just a mob of thugs.  Millions will believe the lies because they are too corrupt or stupid to use logic and see the truth.''

I have expressed on several occasions on this forum my disdain for BLM and my opinion of Antifa is similar. Who among you saw the mayor or governor doing or saying anything that a thinking and fairminded person would consider ''thugish''?  In spite of their 1st amendment right to speak and protest and no matter how peaceful they are, armed men and women wearing swastika arm bands, waving nazi flags and shouting anti-Jewish and anti-black chants would not be considered ''innocents'' by most Americans. By all means let them march an vent, but do not claim ''some of them are good people''...nazis are not ''good people''. 

This forum obviously, thank God, does not fall anywhere near the thinking of the average American!  Your post, Phil, is sadly much more illustrative of the typical opinion and degree of incivility toward opposing comments that has become typical on this forum today.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Where is the link?
Date:	8/22/2017 7:23:25 AM

  I haven't seen anything you claim was happening. Provide a link to video of those chants. There were at least a thousand cameras rolling at that event and I've not seen o e clip of those chants. Give us just one you racist pig. The voices k your head, just like buffet mlpmsnbc et. al. Are lying to you.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Riot in Charlottesville...8/13/2017...3:56:15 pm
Date:	8/22/2017 8:54:55 AM (updated 8/22/2017 9:10:32 AM)

So 100% of the people there on the right were 100% there for white nationalism/KKK/Nazi - not one person was there for a protest about the statue/confederacy or any other reason.  I am so glad you have the telescope from GA into the hearts and minds of so many people.  Can you please enlighten us the motives of the BLM / AntiFA/Governer/Mayor?  I am sure they were just little innocents standing around doing nothing wrong what so ever.

Do not put words in my mouth that Nazi's are good people - but by your claim 100% of everyone there was a Nazi - you are a racist as your previous posts have shown.  Your lack of condemnation of the BLM or AntiFA at Charlottsville is still lacking - we are waiting for you to condem them right now, for their most recent actions... still waiting... still waiting...

Tthere is no video of the Mayor of Governer doing anything - that is the problem, they should have called the PD and told them *not* to stand down and that any violence by anyone, broken laws, riots, - anything but a peaceful protest on all sides - someone was going to jail.  We see what the results of that was.  

 You are a idiot, and your posts shows the typical leftist liberal opnion and degree of incivility we witnessed at most BLM riots and Charlottsville.  

Thank God this website does appear to be more aligned with the electorate or Shillary would have been president and then it would not matter because we would have already had to checked our privilage, removed all satues to white men, erecting only new ones to someone who can follow the law (without intent to hide from FOIA or remove classified informatoin from secure systems )  and started reparations as a 100% white tax.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Riot in Charlottesville...8/13/2017...3:56:15 pm
Date:	8/22/2017 1:30:40 PM

You are exampliary of the extremes.  I have many times comndemned the very idea and the perceived need for anything called ''Black Lives Matter''.  It is an insult to the fact that ALL humans matter.  I do so again...NOW.  I also condemn the actions if not the stated purpose of the Antifa crowd.  Of course, you condemn me for saying the right wingers should not be allowed to express their views...l did not and have not and will not.  Neither will l say the BLM/Antifa idiots should be muzzled...they have the same rights as anyone else as long as they protest peacefully...a concession you apparently have a problem making.  The big difference between you and me is that you feel it is possible to be a ''good'' person while marching arm in arm with a crowd of jew-hating nazis...I don't!!  Robert E Lee must be rolling in his grave!  If you are really concerned with ''preserving'' the good points of southern heritage, and there are many, you would first condemn the appropriation of the symbols of the past by the KKK/neo-nazis and reclaim them for the decent people and secondly you would make it clear that there is also a lot of shameful aspects of Southern heritage that continues even today!

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Riot in Charlottesville...8/13/2017...3:56:15 pm
Date:	8/22/2017 1:58:41 PM (updated 8/22/2017 2:56:34 PM)

Yes you may have in the past condemned them - But we are holding you to the new standard that Trump is held to.  He condemned them in the past but that is not good enough - you have to condemn them per episode loudly and proudly or else you are a KKK/neo-nazi/white nationalist/sympathizer and just didnt want to get you lumped into that with your neightbor across the fence.

"a concession you apparently have a problem making. "  Well you must have missed the part where I stated pretty clearly that all these idiots have a right to free speech, and that when it turns violent lock their butts up, not with a slap on the wrist and out the same day or next day.  Make your statement if you riot, set fires or turn to violence - lets start at 30 days and a big fine and go up from there.  I dont care what group you want to stand with - do it peacefully or rot your butt in a cell.  So yes, Lock up any kkk/blm/antifa/neonazi/white nationalist/someone just hanging around when they act with violence.  

The police / judical system has created this situation where they know there will be no real punishment for the actions of stupid people at these rallys, hand down real punishment and this crap will stop.

As I have already stated about Charlottesville - Nazi / White Power groups suck.  They are the worst of the worst of mankind.  I also do condemn the appropriation of symbols by asshats for their own ofd which there are many other then just southern heritage.  yes there were shamefull things both in the north and the south.  Slavery was and is bad period. But the north somehow gets a pass because of the confederate "losers" were just evil racist slave owners.

I find it funny that you state that "you feel it is (not - based on your comment at the end of this quote of "I don't!!")possible to be a ''good'' person while marching arm in arm with a crowd of jew-hating nazis...I don't!!" while also "'preserving'' the good points of southern heritage, and there are many, you would first condemn the appropriation of the symbols of the past by the KKK/neo-nazis and reclaim them for the decent people"

I am glad you admit that people can stand up for a "southern hertitage" / monuments / stop appropriation of symbols who have nothing to do with the KKK/Neo-nazis and that thay are "decent people".  Just that you know 100% without a doubt that none of those people were present that day. Just the KKK/neo-nazis and no one else was in the crowd around a confederate monument that should be reappropriated.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Please archy
Date:	8/22/2017 4:36:30 PM

 Name one instance where blm showed up in masses that didn't turn violent. Just one please. And BTW, you are still a racists as you have proven with your own words so you really shouldn't be throwing that term around.