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Talullahhound
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I finally cried tonight
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6/18/2010 8:01:19 PM
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I've been angry, upset, amused..but tonight I was finally brought to tears. Oddly enough, it wasn't the picture of another bird mired in oil or another dead dophin, as upsetting as that is.
It was when a man, the owner of an oyster company in Louisiana told his employees today that the last oyster was going down the conveyer. The faces of his employees -- scared and sad were bad enough. But when the owner broke down, telling them that they were great employees... his emotions were so poignant, that I found myself crying with him.
Damn this crisis.
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4691
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Don't cry...
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6/19/2010 8:31:30 AM
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Stop crying and worrying about the small people and the thousands of small American businesses they work for. They can get a job on a cleanup crew or maybe just sit home on welfare. You should be more concerned about the $20 billion fund BP must establish and the negative impact that is going to have on the BP stock holders. How can anyone sleep knowing that the dividend checks might not come to these folks for a while? Like the Alabama congressman said, cigarette smoking is a lot worse than this oil spill. Everyone should just keep it in perspective. I bet a lot of those small people on the coast smoke cigarettes. And as for the dolphins and sea turtles, well they don't smoke, but they should find somewhere else to swim.
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widgethater
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Don't cry...
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6/19/2010 3:55:58 PM
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4691--Please inform the degree of sarcasm reflected so my response is appropriate
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| Name: |
4691
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Don't cry...
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6/21/2010 7:30:27 AM
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100%.
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MartiniMan
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I finally cried tonight
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6/21/2010 9:52:36 AM
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And then they all got in their cars and drove home to fill out their paperwork to get their money from the $20B BP slush fund just like they were working. All they have to do is show the czar that they voted for Obama. This reminds me of when the government shut down and they showed all these teary eyed federal employees talking about how their lives were being destroyed when they all knew going in this was a paid vacation because they would all get their money back. And don't bother arguing with me on this one Hound, my wife worked at EPA and when they sent them home they told them in no uncertain terms they would be paid for all that time, and they were. They may lose their jobs temporarily but they will be compensated......unless Obama forces BP into Chapter 11.
This is only temporary and the oyster beds will return. We heard all the very same doom and gloom with Exxon Valdez and every other oil spill. A few years later when everything returns to normal we all forget what the doomsayers said. Why they have any credibility is beyond me.
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MartiniMan
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And by the way
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6/21/2010 10:45:08 AM
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The jobs assisting in the cleanup are very good paying and should not be sneered at. They pay a heck of a lot better than the temporary census worker jobs that the Messiah loves to crow about.....
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Mack
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Maybe, sometimes you talk too much...
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6/21/2010 7:15:28 PM
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The Oystermen on the Gulf work very hard for their pay, and carry a heritage of pride and independence from centuries past. Their pride is wounded time and again by events beyond their control. Yet, they keep coming back to try again.
Your portrayal of these people as BP parasites is unfair. Their livelihood has been destroyed for years to come, and nobody knows how long. Consider taking a walk in their shoes.
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4691
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Don't cry...
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6/21/2010 9:03:14 PM
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First, I would like to apologize to the Hound for inserting my sarcastic response to her serious post of empathy for those most directly and seriously impacted by the oil that continues to flow freely into the gulf. My post was sarcasm. My sympathies are only with the American workers and American businesses that are hurt by this event. I have no sympathy nor concern for BP as a business and feel that they should be held financially accountable.
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MartiniMan
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Maybe irs what I write that you don't like
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6/21/2010 10:53:54 PM
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No one other than you called them parasites. But oystermen don't have a corner on the virtue market because of their long history and tradition. Much can be said about the thousands of people of this country that worked in the textile industry or the auto industry or steel or whatever that lost their jobs through no fault of their own. My point is that this is a temporary disruption in their lives but unlike many other industries in this case they will be financially compensated. And it will be temporary as we saw with the Exxon Valdez. Those ignorant of history or who get their news from the government media need the truth from those that do know history. Whether they want to hear it or not is another matter.
My point also is that they have enjoyed the tremendous benefits brought about by the oil industry like all other Americans. As I have said often, it is a tragedy and BP should and will pay. And it will be a short term disruption of lives but it is not the end of the world as it is being portrayed and you all are being sucked into believing.
As for walking in their shoes you don't know me and don't have a clue about what shoes I have walked in. I don't recall any tears or waxing eloquent about the thousands of us that lost our jobs in the oil industry in the mid-1980s nor did we ask for sympathy. We simply got up off the floor and moved on with our lives as best we could. But I didn't have a slush fund from BP to tap into when I lost my job. And by the way, I worked for Sohio which was bought be BP and they are the ones that whacked me and thousands of other Americans. I have no love for BP but I can tell you I go out of my way to buy their gas because I want them to have the money to pay for this mess.
All you others that want to draw and quarter them will see the foolishness of it if they go Chapter 11 and leave us taxpayers with the mess. People need to control their emotions and think for a minute.......
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Talullahhound
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You know
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6/22/2010 2:15:20 PM
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MM, you keep comparing this to the Valdez. I really don't see the similarity. That was one ship... this has been spewing oil for almost 3 months. And you keep saying that everything with the Valdez was back to normal -- I've read a lot of articles that would suggest otherwise.
I'm really surprised that you are not more sympathetic to those who are losing businesses because of this situation. You like to lecture me that I "just don't get business" because I worked for the government. Well, in this case, I can certainly see what is happening. And frankly, no amount of money that BP forks over is going to fix things. It may keep people afloat for a time, but it will not solve the problem. It's not just the oil in the water, but it is the impact on fragile marine ecosystems. They still don't know what impact that the chemical dispersants are going to have. So many things are not yet known. And still the oil is spewing out into the Gulf.
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Lifer
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You know
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6/22/2010 3:35:52 PM
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Hound some will suffer for sure, but all will be made whole before it is a settled and closed deal. But for others it has been a bananza. One anectdote from a freind of a neighbor. He has charter fishing boats. BP is paying him 3k a week for lost revenue while at the same time 'leasing' him and his boat for nearly three times what he has EVER been able to charge tourists.
Sceince is just now beginning to ralize how resilliant Mother Earth really is. On a global scale, this is equivical to a pimple on an elephants butt. Will economies be affected? Yes. Will the 'fishing grounds' move? Most certainly. Will the entire gulf ecosystem be destroyed? Not a chance in hell!
The doomsayers are always the vocal minority. In 91 when Saddam blew the oill wells in Kuwait all you heard was crap like 'nuclear winter', they will burn for at least 10 years, global climate catastrohie, ad naseum. In less than a year the problem was abated, but a great portion was in the first 90 days. No permenant damage. VAldez? That shoreline in now pristine. Don't believe take a trip on Google Earth and look for yourself.
Is this leak a good thing? I'll play Devels Advocate and say yes in one regard. It took this test of the man child for those with blinders on and tingles up there legs to see him for what he really is. He is what we get when you combine affirmative action with the Peter Principle. I predict that using his Tuesday night speech to push his politcal agenda of cap and tax will go down as a major turning point in his tenure.
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MartiniMan
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You know
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6/22/2010 4:03:22 PM
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Hound, you are right about the spill in Prince William Sound not being comparable to the Gulf of Mexico. After all, Prince William Sound covers 11,000 square miles while the Gulf of Mexico is 56 times larger at 615,000 square miles and even larger when you do a compare the mean depth of Prince William Sound, 190 meters, to the Gulf, at 615 meters). The water temperature in Prince William Sound is around 45 dF versus 80 dF+ in the Gulf of Mexico. The amount of biological activity that will degrade the oil in the Gulf of Mexico is orders of magnitude greater than Prince William Sound. I could go on and on with more contrasts that demonstrate that the Gulf has a much greater capacity to absorb this spill and with the cleanup efforts that BP will undertake the long-term effects will be minimal.
However the short term impact is significant and will be detrimental to businesses and will negatively impact the beaches. I will repeat this because no matter how many times I say it you consistently mischaracterize my position, I am very sympathetic to those impacted by this disaster but they will be compensated. I do love the ability to bold and underline, thanks Webmaster!
Your belief that Prince William Sound is such and environmental disaster will be news to the cruise lines, fishing boats, tourist boats and others that visit the area every year. My partner took his boat through the sound two summers ago and he said it was absolutely gorgeous. There are no restrictions to fishing based on contamination in the Sound.
You see, you are having the very same emotional response that a lot of others are having based on the mistaken belief that this spill spells eternal doom for the gulf. That is simply not founded on reality. It is a mess and it will take time to clean up but it will also happen. Would have been less of a mess in the marshes if the Obama administration weren't so incompetent but that horse is out of the barn so we will have to deal with it.
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Talullahhound
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You know
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6/22/2010 5:09:33 PM
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I'm not an ecologist nor am I a marine biologist, so I can't argue for or against the long term impact on the Gulf. I'm not falling into any kind of emotional response, other than to feel empathy for a man that had to tell his workers that they were being laid off and he didn't know when or if they would be reinstated.
I have no idea if this is doom for the Gulf, but right now, it's not a pretty picture.
Yes, I could Google Earth, but that wouldn't tell me how the ecosystem is faring, and the long term effects on the marine life.
I hope you all are right. I really, really do.
And Lifer, there is no doubt in my mind that some people may be benefitting. And I say more power to them.
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Mack
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You Still Talk Too Much,,,
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6/22/2010 9:12:50 PM
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The original post was about Compassion for the Oystermen who had lost so much. It was not political.
You introduced history lessons for us all, and used lots of words to declare that everything would get back to normal, eventually.
A check from BP or whomever does not restore a culture destroyed, at least temporarily. Neither you nor I actually know for how long, Do We?? Or, whether it will ever return after this event.
Not talking about who is at fault. Not talking about political implications. Not talking about money.
Just talking about COMPASSION for real people who are in trouble.
Simple.
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GoneFishin
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Hey MM
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6/22/2010 10:05:44 PM
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But oystermen don't have a corner on the virtue market because of their long history and tradition. Much can be said about the thousands of people of this country that worked in the textile industry or the auto industry or steel or whatever that lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
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GoneFishin
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Hey MM
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6/22/2010 10:16:53 PM
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"But oystermen don't have a corner on the virtue market because of their long history and tradition. Much can be said about the thousands of people of this country that worked in the textile industry or the auto industry or steel or whatever that lost their jobs through no fault of their own."
I am totally surprised by your comment as it sounds so leftist. I would take the position a lot of jobs were moved globally due to the over unions over the years pricing themselves out of the market. Steel strikes, auto strikes as the unions became too powerful. Once it started it just snowballed.
The oysters folks did not price themselves out of the market. A third party just screwed up and that's it for the oyster folks. It is their culture and livelihood.
Man, I sound like a Ditto Head.
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Lifer
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WOW!!
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6/23/2010 10:56:55 AM
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I actually agree with a GF post. There must be a tear in the fabric of space-time cuz GF actually sounds like a conservative/libiterian.
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