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Mountain Man
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Floater Update
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9/13/2010 8:31:55 AM
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I went out Saturday morning trolling the main channel near Cast Away and boxed up a couple schoolies. There were some excellent bait screens from time to time, but stripes were scarce. Those we marked were still deep.
The bad news is that we saw four floaters in as many hours of fishing. Two appeared to be fresh since their eyes were clear. The other two were in varying stages of decomposition, but didn't look to be over a few days old. The smallest was 3-4 lbs. and the others were typical 6-8 lb. schoolies.
Released fish? I doubt it very much.
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Pontoonfisher
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Floater Update
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9/13/2010 12:20:55 PM
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I noticed several different species of dead fish Labor day weekend. More than usual.
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Spot Remover
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Floater Update
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9/14/2010 8:40:59 AM
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Makes you wonder if there is a deficency of disolved oxygen in the lake.
Trying to hold the water at higher levels with no rain and not much running
into the lake could be a problem. But, what do I know?
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THISLDO
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Floater Update
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9/14/2010 6:52:59 PM
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I have been watching this forum with interest, and thought I would put in my two cents!
I'm no fisheries biologist, but I have caught a lot of stripers over the years!
I agree that the mortality rate of "catch and released" stripers is very high! However, I think there are many factors that influence survival.
Here are my thoughts for your to consideration:
1. Fishing with live or cut bait usually involves only one hook, which minimizes injuries to the fish's mouth and gills, therefore, increasing the potential survival rate.
2. Fishing with artificial lures with multiple hooks (treble & trailer hooks) reduces the potential survival rate, but increases the fisherman's catch ratio.
3. Fish caught while casting from a stationary point have a higher survival rate, because the fight (stress) is limited to the length of line to be retrieved, and the time necessary to land the fish. (i.e. live bait fishing)
4. Fish caught trolling with long lines increase the stress proportionately, plus increases the potential to drown. (Forcing water into its stomach it can not expel)
5. Fish caught from deep water and forced to the surface under stress, frequently are unable to adjust to changes in pressure, temperature and oxygen levels.
6. Any use of a net or other device, removes the protective slime from its body, and only contributes to the stress.
7. A spring loaded hook remover (Bill Dance) reduces handling when holding a striper by its lower jaw.
8. Fishing for stripers has a higher impact on the mortality on its population versus other game fish, hence the lower legal limit.
9. Mortality should be a consideration of the stocking program on the lake, as there is an increase in the striper fishing pressure.
10. Commercial (guided) fisherman provide increased fishing pressure on stripers and therefore increase the population's mortality. 11. Considering the amount of bass tournaments, the striper mortality is increased by wanton killing of stripers by bass fisherman.
The subject of striped bass mortality is not unique to Lake Martin, nor is the survival rate of catch and released fish.
From my perspective, I would like to see the daily posession and size limits for striped bass caught from Lake Martin to be changed to five in posession, with a minimum length of eighteen inches, by artificial lure only. No striped bass over eighteen inches in length may be returned to the waters of Lake Martin.
My experience is that stripers engulf the lure and its hooks into their throat and gills, the removal of which becomes a mortal wound. My best lure for stripers is a downrigger trolled one ounce white bucktail leadhead jig, with a twister tail grub on a trailer hook. That pretty well negates the "barbless hook" scenario!
In summary, I think successful striper fishing is a lot like deer hunting .... "If you don't want to kill it, take a camera!"
thisldo
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Spot Remover
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Floater Update
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9/14/2010 8:48:41 PM
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Is there a problem with the high mortality rate for stripers?
They are not native to our waters. They supposedly were put into the lakes
to control shad populations (Like we needed threadfins). Now they are a big hit
with tourists and people that don't know how to fish.
Give me a break. Go to Maine or Massachusetts to catch the trash fish.
We don't need them.
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RecordBreaker
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Floater Update
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9/15/2010 5:17:59 PM
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Spot remover, come fishing with me one day in April next year and Ill change your mind about these "trash fish"
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RaRay
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Floater Update
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9/15/2010 5:33:04 PM
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Spot Remover, Why would you post something like that about a game fish on this forum, ( that is comprised mostly of striper fisherman). Leave it to the pros to help fisherman manage the lake as well, they are paid for a reason. Striper do not have a negetive impact on this freshwater fisheries. Me and the rest of the people who dont know how to fish will try to keep them thrivin.
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Lugan
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Floater Update
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9/16/2010 3:16:29 AM
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You know, I have been fishing (for all kinds of fish) for over 50 years. I never once heard a bass fisherman say he had killed or would like to kill stripers. I have read the accusation in print, but have never encountered it myself. I think it's kind of like the liberals demonizing the conservatives.
By the way, according to the list of suggestions for safe handing/fishing of stripers, you need to get out of your boat and fish from bank and quit trolling. Surely, you must live by the advice you give others?
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Pontoonfisher
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Floater Update
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9/16/2010 7:12:57 AM
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What's funny is when I'm striper fishing I see spotted bass as trash fish. To each his own.
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Spot Remover
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Floater Update
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9/16/2010 11:16:00 AM
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April=Turkey Season. But, I appreciate it.
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Lee Gantt
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Floater Update
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9/16/2010 1:35:30 PM
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I start hammering big fish way before turkey season so no need to wait till then to catch a real fish. The reason I call stripers real fish is because I have an 8lb 3oz spotted bass on the wall and have caught 1000's of them over my life and pound for pound, stripers out fight any game fish in the lake. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but personally I prefer not downsizing my tackle to make the fight more enjoyable but rather catching something to make me wonder if 30lb line and salt water tackle is gonna be enough to hold the beast!
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Spot Remover
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Floater Update
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9/16/2010 2:51:05 PM
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Not to tell you what to do, but I would suggest a crane, winch and steel cable. Where did the spot come from, Smith Lake? (Huge anywhere)
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Sandy Tiger
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Floater Update
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9/29/2010 9:41:58 AM
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Just last week I was talking to a neighbor about striper fishing. He's a big tourney bass fisherman. He told me I should gut everyone I catch. I just ignored the comment but, I HAVE heard someone say it...now. I've known him for years and know he doesn't account for the way most fishermen think but there is no telling how many people he has said it to.
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Aardvark
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Floater Update
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9/29/2010 3:43:37 PM
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Stripers are a put and take fishery and survival of caught fish is often questionable, so if you don't like them in the lake and you catch one while fishing for something else, then just keep it and eat it. Gutting them should not even be necessary since a big stripe probably couldn't be landed fast enough on bass tackle to give it a good chance at surviving on release.
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Sandy Tiger
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Floater Update
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9/29/2010 4:48:02 PM
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Oh, I know. He was whining about the stripe eating all the bass!! And now understand, I like to stripe fish. If any one takes offense to what I said can PM me and I'll give you the guys name, phone number, email address, street address, address and numbers of all his children and grandchildren, his place of work, church, es-wife and her offspring, his vets name...hmmmm, what else??
I'm just saying...
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Procraft176
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Floater Update
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9/29/2010 6:33:09 PM
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Just like you guys, I love to stripe fish. I usually try to fish for em in the winter, jigging spoons and some trolling. I also love to crappie fish, they sure do grease up a frying pan and I love to eat em. With that being said, while I am fishing for either one , I consider a bass a trash fish, but that doesn't mean that I want to gut em. If the stripe fishermen told all of the bass fishermen that they would gut every bass they caught, they might have a change of heart. just my 2 cents worth.
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RecordBreaker
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Floater Update
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9/30/2010 2:12:50 PM
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Yeah, please dont gut the bass you catch, eat the ones over 16 inches and under 16 inches, just put a 4/0 through their nose and release them with a planer board attached and catch a real fish!
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RaRay
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Floater Update
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9/30/2010 2:17:15 PM
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I agree, Spots work best, thank goodness all the tournament fishermen release so many bass so we can keep our bait tanks stocked.
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Procraft176
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Floater Update
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9/30/2010 8:17:25 PM
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Now that's what I'm tawkin bout!!! Hook through the nose and send em down..LOL
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stripernut
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Floater Update
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9/30/2010 10:19:41 PM
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Lake Martin Fishing Nation, I kept my mouth shut about this, because I hate to see a feud between stripe and bass fishermen, i.e., what's the point, don't we all like to fish? What bass fishermen need to realize is that many of us, including me, grew up bass fishing in ponds and lakes and have graduated to bigger fish. I have caught many big largemouths and a few big spots. I admire the skill that it takes to catch good spots and largemouths, but some of us have spent some time on the Gulf and elsewhere, and we enjoy catching BIG fish. The closest thing around here to catching big fish on the Gulf is catching stripes in our 44,000 acre pond. At the same time, spot and largemouth fishermen are chasing what's natural in our waters, and us striper fishermen need to understand and honor that pursuit. So, there's no feud to be had. Why downgrade my fish of choice? I'll not downgrade yours, catching big spots is a worthwhile pursuit. Hopefully, we can all be friends and recognize our differences. Tight Lines! Wes
URL: www.lakemartinstripes.com
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THISLDO
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Floater Update
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10/1/2010 12:29:05 AM
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Wes!
Well put! The last thing we fisherman need is dissention amongst us!
To each his own, and enjoy what you catch!!
thisldo
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Aardvark
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Floater Update
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10/1/2010 9:18:23 AM
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When talking about stripers not being "native" you must realize that Lake Martin is an artificial lake that has created an unnatural ecosystem. Stipers fill a niche in that unnatural ecosystem that black bass do not naturally occupy. Stripers like the deep open water, while bass prefer to be close to something. I would love to catch a 40 pounder up Little Kowaliga where I fish, but stripers just don't care too much for my best spots, especially above Real Island, so I am not too worried about stripers eating all of the bass.
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Old Crappie
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Floater Update
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10/1/2010 10:34:49 AM
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The Tallapoosa River system has always been the natural home of the Gulf strain of striped bass.
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Aardvark
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Floater Update
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10/1/2010 1:29:49 PM
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Could they get past the shoals that started around Tallassee before the dams were built?
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firewater
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Floater Update
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10/1/2010 5:35:40 PM
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They run Moccasin Gap on the Coosa river every spring.
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Aardvark
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Floater Update
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10/1/2010 10:35:54 PM
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Stripers were never permanent residents. They would run up river as far as they could, spawn, and head back to the gulf. The fry would follow as they matured. There was never a proper environment for them until the lake was built, and without stocking, they get stopped by the Irwin Shoals so they can't reproduce even if they did exist in the lake when the cork was put in.
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