Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 12:22:14 PM

New poll data describes that the shine is wearing off of Donald Trump.   1/3 of Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents believe he is “unqualified for office”.     Only 69% of Republicans who backed other GOP candidates during primary season are willing to vote for Trump, with 13% of them saying they will vote for Clinton and 11% saying they will vote for neither.

Among Republicans and  Republican-leaning Independents, 39% believe his comments about Judge Curiel were racist, and 36% believe he is unfairly biased against certain groups.

Overall, Clinton now polls at 51% and Trump at 39% if the election was held today.

So much for the numbers.  

Last week, Great Britain cast a historic vote that disrupted their relationship with the EU and is widely predicted to cause a huge down-turn in Britain’s economic future…  it is worth noting that the same Populist Trumpian notions of overly-simple solutions & shallow proposals gained enough traction to win the “Leave” vote… but as we are seeing now the Leave camp has no plan for dealing with the harsh fallout of their actions.   The vote is likely to cause the break up of Great Britain itself, with both Scotland and perhaps Ireland moving toward separation from their union.   In the end, this could knock Great Britain off the world stage as a major power and as a key player in global security.  

It seems to me that we should watch this example of political sentiments gone wild and take a lesson from it.   We should pay close attention to what is about to happen as a result of England’s fear of immigration and racist sentiment.    As with Trump, leaders of the Leave Movement ramped up voters with vague & unfounded allegations that the fabric of their culture was under threat, moved them to vote to exit the EU and now leave those voters to face the dire economic consequences of their vote as best they can.   As with Trump, their leaders made bold pronouncements about what they should do… but have no idea how to handle the fallout from such a momentous change in policy.      After ginning up enough voter fear to pass the ‘Leave’ proposal, the leading Google search item (in Great Britain) on the following day showed how little thought had been put into the ramifications….It was “What is the EU?”.

This may go down in history as a time when voters followed an overly emotional impulse without concerning themselves with the implications of their actions,  only to find out too late that you need to really listen to and objectively examine the complex issues involved.     The Brits may find that they are just like us…. We also like to believe there are simple & quick solutions to complex problems.

For his part, Donald Trump was happy to say that he expected to make money from England’s actions, completely dismissing the hardships to come and risks that truly exist.   It’s yet another example of Trump’s worldview…. Completely unconcerned with the impact his statements would have on real people, happy to announce that he is going to be just fine (and even richer!) when the smoke clears.   We should all be so lucky.

It is worth noting that Donald Trump was not alone in hoping that England would exit the EU.     So was Valdimir Putin.  Trump likes the idea because he can use it to ramp up his voter base, Putin likes it because it greatly weakens the prospects of a strong & secure Europe.   They make a great team, don’t you think?

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 4:41:15 PM

Voters in this country followed an overly emotional impulse without concerning themselves with the implications of their action eight and four years ago when they cast their vote for obama.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 5:48:18 PM

Obama isn't running for President, but plenty of people think they will be voting him out of office by supporting Donald Trump.   

Plenty of Brits thought they were going to 'Make Britain Great Again' by voting to leave the EU, too.

Instead, they are getting a crashing stock market, a weakened Pound, extreme damage to their economy & international reputation as well as massive political chaos that will haunt them for many years to come.  

If you like the way that sounds, vote for Trump.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 6:31:47 PM

He did not say Obama was running for office.  He made a historical remark, with some opinion thrown in.  Almost all of what you say as the OH NO issue we have with this election fits both options.....It's the Alternative, Ye with One Sided View

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 6:31:52 PM

I find it interesting that you are able to foretell Britain's future so soon after they opted out of the EU. You must have a crystal ball.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	LnG
Date:	6/27/2016 7:39:10 PM

I am again amazed at a statement on this forum...You, with negative connotation, describe Copper as having a one sided view!!  Do you not consider that a slightly hypocritical view unless, that is, you are willing to ascribe the same affliction to numerous others of a more conservative persuasion on this forum?  A willingness to at least consider a diversity of views is always commendable regardless of your predominant opinion.

BTW:  a poll out today puts Obama at 56%/41% approve/disapprove.  Most of the country seems to be congratulating themselves for their wise decision in '08 and '12!  Hope they have the same foresight this year.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 7:57:29 PM

No crystal ball, but I do read and follow a large number of credible experts.  

Feel free to post links to any reputable economists who think that this is going to be a great boost to England's future over the next 20 years or so.   

This is what happens when people leap before they look, and confidently expect that nothing bad can happen when they quit considering the consequences of their actions.   

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	LnG
Date:	6/27/2016 8:10:52 PM

We are all pretty much in the one sided view camp, just coming down on a different plane based on who we fear the most.  We have been used by politician after politician in this country.  There's not a lot of difference in the R and D lifetime trough feeders in DC.  Why do you think so many on both sides oppose Trump, and the shakeup he will bring.

I know it will be hell for some.  Business as usual will not work for us know, in terms of economy, borders, security, leadership. 

I will be honest enough to say I had no idea what BREXIT was all about, but sounds like immigration and borders overruled economic union. 

Name:	Council Rock Doc -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 8:41:54 PM

Cl,

Perhaps the prospect of economic hardship to come was not at all compelling to those already suffering from low wages, an insecure unskilled job market, bad housing, high rents, under-resourced and increasingly privatized NHS and other forms of "austerity" that they were told they were enjoying.  

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 9:07:59 PM

I'm pretty sure you are right about that.    But there is an old rule I think applies here:  if you feel you are in a bad situation and don't know exactly what actions will help...  then first priority would be not to do anything that will make it worse.   That's the problem they are facing now.....and I hope we can avoid.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Copper....
Date:	6/27/2016 9:18:21 PM

your continued diatribe to defend socialism at all costs is becoming very tiring.  Your attempts to explain away the English vote against the EU are simply ridiculous.  These people have lived with the EU for 40 years and are fed up with the socialist krap being forced on English society by bureaucrats they didn't elect.  Get ready for rejection of the same o-BAMMIE BS this November.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Copperhead,
Date:	6/27/2016 9:22:02 PM

your assumption that everyone who voted against socialism in England is stupid and not enlightened as you are says an awful lot about you.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	The Weak in Trump
Date:	6/27/2016 9:22:30 PM

Only you would use a mangled version of the hypocratic oath in a conversation with a doctor. The rule you refer to is "first, do no harm". Only you copper, only you.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	HEY COUNCIL ROC DOC
Date:	6/27/2016 10:02:33 PM (updated 6/27/2016 10:07:07 PM)

There was one main issue that was the main reason those you describe voted to exit — immigration....After the vote was counted, they decided to Google EU to find out what they voted to leave. Now, they will pay the piper. Those you describe blame everyone except themselves for their low wages.

Education and training in this world is the key. The industrial world in US and England from the past 60 years is history. Productivity has increased with robots and high tech that jobs that do return to the US will require fewer and higher trained workers. It is not Obama's fault but just the way the world turns.

Trump will promise anything today and tell you tomorrow he changed his mind. Maybe, his tremendous experience with Trump University will enable him as President to set up Trump Universities around the country to retrain the labor force. I am sure you agree that is a beautiful and tremedous idea....

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOBER
Date:	6/27/2016 10:33:03 PM

Since you plugged your post onto mine......I have a question for you.  Would you consider that o-BAMMIE had more or less real world experience prior to be elected president than Trump has today?  Please explain in great depth and verbosity why you feel the way you do............

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Lil WEE WIXXIE
Date:	6/28/2016 1:02:13 AM

Don't get too excited where my post is...I always just post below the last post. But, to answer your question he had very limited experience and according to you has accomplished nothing. Now, you explain why Trump who has no experience will do any better? 3 wivies is not experience. Draft dodger is not experience. Mocking disabled is not experience. Insulting woman and Mexicans is not experience. Running a sham "University" is not experience. Having no positions that he doesn't change is not experience. 70% unlikeable is not experience. A party with leaders trying to dump him is not experience....

The only thing he has done well is be the father of some great kids.

Noe, you tell me what experience he has to be President?

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOBER
Date:	6/28/2016 8:51:18 AM

Do you stay up all night?  BTW, o-BAMMIE and HILDA accomplished a great deal during their career....ALL BAD.  Only problem is everything they accomplished is bad for America.  ISIS was born thanks the o-BAMA and Hilda pulling out of Iraq, o-BAMAcare, the worst excuse for a gubment ever devised was invented by Hilda first, and "refined" by o-BAMA, Bengazi, need I say more.  It just goes on and on.

It's really funny to see Hilda tie herself to o-BAMA so she can get the black vote, while she loses the vote of intelligent America.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Bringing it back to the original point
Date:	6/28/2016 9:32:56 AM

Bringing it back to the original point

I think we should all watch Great Britain and take it as a cautionary tale in light of similar US political movements as we head into the Presidential election.   If what you see over there pleases you, makes you more confident in the radical (but vague & shallow) notions proposed by Donald Trump, then he’s your guy.

If your retirement account just took a hit but you took comfort in Trump’s statement that he would make money from the Brexit, if you enjoy watching racist rants that blame minority groups for economic trends, if you believe that massive deportations & religious screenings at the border will make America Great Again…. If you like leaders who promote disruption but give no thought to the negative impact of what they say……Then he’s your guy.

Not me.  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Goofbutt
Date:	6/28/2016 11:13:08 AM

I have a really important question for you and copperhead to research and report back to us all.  Why is making any statement, other than unadultrated love, called RACISM by dimokraps.  Muslims come in white, black, brown, yellow, green, grey, and maybe even purple races.  How can making any statement about muslims all of a sudden been decreed racism by dimpkraps?  Get back to us.

My take:  speaking negatively about muslims may, at best, be called anti-religion, just like liberals love to speak about anti-Christian krap, but it ain't racism.

ALSO, NOTE THAT DOW IS UP BY 136+ AT THIS HOUR.  Maybe the Sky's Fallin', da Sky's Fallin' krap from you dimokraps is just that....mo krap, mo lies...

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Bringing it back to the original point
Date:	6/28/2016 11:38:30 AM

I take it you don't like Mr. Trump, huh?   And you like Mrs. Clinton?   Broke when we left the white house, well she must have hit a Brexit or two since.  Maybe a shady deal or two since.  CL, a shakeup is coming, either thru planned election and policy, or disaster!   We can just keep bailing out wall street crooks and protect your retirement, but sooner or later that will seal us.

I just plan to grow a bigger garden and get someone to teach me how to fish.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Wiximbecile says the magic words
Date:	6/28/2016 12:16:04 PM

"the English vote".  What is his enlightened explanation for the "Scottish vote"?

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Bringing it back to the original point
Date:	6/28/2016 12:24:43 PM

Glad to see you reiterate the point that Hilary said they were broke when they left the White House. They didn't waste any time becoming millionaires. We would all like to be able to go from "rags" to "riches" for doing nothing. 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	HEY! COPPERIDIOT...
Date:	6/28/2016 2:43:36 PM

DOW is up 175....... DA SKY IS FALLIN' , DA SKY IS FALLIN'.   Better vote for da HILDA B----H.!!!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	HEY LIL WEE WIXXXIE
Date:	6/28/2016 5:01:55 PM

You never answered my question...what experience does Trump have to be President? You like to evade questions when you ain't got no answer...shows lack of education. Dimokraps rule...suck it up... Now try and stay focused and respond to the question.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	LIL TINY GOOBER.................BRAIN
Date:	6/28/2016 5:30:41 PM

1.  By far Trump's greatest asset is that he has no elected politician experience; he has bought and sold politicians as needed, but he is free from the taint and slime of politics.

2.  Unlike Slick Willie, who only uses gonads to stain dresses, etc, Trump has the gonads to be an Alpha Male, make decisions on his feet and enforce his convictions.  It will be great to see a President act like a MAN, for a change....Trump can do that.

3.  Trump has decades of experience negotiating with real people....not slimy politicians.  He has proven that he can make the deal happen, unlike the weasel, community organizer we have now, or the criminal thug who is trying to replace the weasel.

4.  Trump has the proven ability to lead.  The US Army Infantry has a slogan that says Follow Me......what a change it will be to have a LEADER, someone to respect.  Unlike Hilda, someone to look up to.....RESPECT.

5.  Trump can speak without having someone write every word for him, after a committee of muslims has made sure it doesn't offend ISIS.  What a wonderful thing that will be.

Goober, I can go on if you like....but I think you get my drift.  Trump, like everyone except you, of course, has his limitations and faults, but his qualifications as a proven leader outside the slimy political world so far exceeds what we have had to put up with the past 8 years, you won't believe the pride America will once again be able to show and feel.  Come on over to the good side...there's room.

Name:	Council Rock Doc -	Reply
Subject:	HEY COUNCIL ROC DOC
Date:	6/28/2016 6:44:55 PM

You may be correct that the immigration issue was a consideration, but not in the way you might think.  From what I have read, a large proportion of UK immigrants are educated and easily employed.  They largely come from Eastern Europe.  They have contributed mightily to the UK economy and their presense and employment has allowed businesses to keep labor costs in check because of the ready accessibility to an educated workforce.  Now if Mitt Romney had stated that those who suffer from low wages must look at themselves first, you and I know he would have been scewered.  That statement does not fit the Dem platform, otherwise, the unequal pay that Dems say exist between men and women for the same work can be blamed on women for not having the same job skillset and intangibles that exist with men.  Glad you have seen the light GF!  Plenty of room in our big tent......