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Talullahhound
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 10:08:36 AM
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I'm not sure I can find incidents of "racism" by the Administration in the items you cite. The WH is not a police organization. Clearly, the President put his foot in his mouth about the Cambridge incident; but I don't find anything wrong with his comments about the Trayvon Martin case. As far as the "Black Panthers" incident you cite, I am unaware that this is anything more than a rumor that circulated in the Conservative Right Wing community.
But, I know racism when I hear it, even when it is thinly veiled. And if one sits idlely by, and doesn't call the speaker (or writer) on it, one might has well have spoken it. It's wrong and should not be tolerated -- particuarly by those that consider themselves Christians. You can try to justify it any way you want, but it is still wrong. And clearly you must be uneasy about some of the things you have said and been called on, because this is the 2nd or 3rd time you have raised and tried to justify it.
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HARRY
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 10:29:28 AM
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If I say something critical of someone of another race is that a racists remark?
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wix
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 11:08:56 AM
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Everyone that disagrees with anyone from the Socialist democrat Party has to be racist. You can't dislike the policies, methods, or politics of the Party; therefore, you simple have to be racist. How else can they explain their superiority to themselves. It's interesting to watch the upper crust on the democrats exhibit utter disgust for the masses they call upon for their votes.
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Talullahhound
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 11:19:15 AM
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Only if you attribute the wrong-doing, because of the person's race. If you just said "I think XX was wrong and you didn't go on to make some remark about the person's race, or if you didn't make a generalization of that person's action because of his race, then it wouldn't be a racist remark. We can disagree with the actions, principles, ideas or words of another person because that is what they believe without attributing it to their race.
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HARRY
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 11:29:33 AM
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You are right but I think not enough outspoken people use this criteria before labeling someone or something as racists
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Talullahhound
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4/10/2012 11:45:24 AM
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You can disagree with their politics -- without being racist. It's when you attribute your disagreement or their actions to their race is when it is a problem. I think Chicago has a long and storied history of political shady dealings that has nothing to do with race. But then, so do a lot of places. I personally have never liked Hilary Clinton's politics; but I don't attribute my dislike of her politics to that fact that she is white, a woman or her age; I just don't happen to agree with her political ideas.
H_Hob, something you don't know about me. I grew up in an all-white community. My parents were pretty prejudiced, so I didn't grow up in a "colorblind" home. Never had any exposure to black (or any other race for that matter) until I went to work. But, then I went to work in an organization where black people were probably the majority -- or at least there were a lot of black people there, and I got to know a lot of people. And then I traveled a lot and met people of all races, ethnicity, religions, cultures. And I discovered that any preconceived notions about how "they" were in most cases was just wrong. Most of the time, people all want the same things -- to feel safe, have enough to eat, a roof over their heads, and a chance to better themselves, and, probably more importantly, a better future for their children. There are always exceptions -- there are neo-nazis, but they don't represent the majority of white people, any more than the Black Panthers, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson represent all black people. From my experience, I learned pretty quickly that making any kind of generalization is just wrong. People are people. And sometimes things are not as they appear on the surface. Like welfare -- there are abuses and they make us angry. But, there are also some pretty compelling stories about how someone got there. Even in 2nd generation welfare families, sometimes it is not just laziness that puts people there; sometimes it's all people know and they can't imagine how their lives could be different or how they could make changes. Not always, but sometimes.
The important thing is to ask yourself what is bothering you about a given situation, and nine times out of ten,when you really boil it down, you find out that it isn't race, but the injustice of it that is really the culprit. The race thing is just a convenient excuse to not think.
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HARRY
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 11:52:32 AM
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You are preaching to the choir here. Some are just tired of being called a racist.
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4691
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4/10/2012 1:13:13 PM
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Hound - based on what you have said about race, can you explain why more than 97% of black voters voted for Obama? Does this mean that >97% of black voters have the same political views?
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GoneFishin
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Hey Hob Knob
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4/10/2012 5:36:18 PM
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You too scared to name them or is it just your imagination working overtime again? Remember ABO-Again Barack Obama 2012.
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Talullahhound
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Allegations of Racism
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4/10/2012 8:02:20 PM
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I don't think it is "racism". I think a lot of black people probably did identify with Obama, the same way that a number of white people did. Probably some voted for him because they never thought they would see a black man as President in their lifetime. I suspect that a lot of white people voted for McCain because he wasn't black, because they couldn't imagine a black man as President and figured he would concentrate his efforts on benefits and issues important to black people. Not so different from the 1960 election. I'm sure there were people who were Irish or Catholic who voted for Kennedy just because he was an Irish Catholic. Others didn't vote for him because they thought he would be a mouthpiece for the Pope. People tend to vote for those they identify with.
BTW, can you cite the source where you get this "97%" figure?
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Talullahhound
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4/10/2012 8:04:55 PM
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Since I'm likely one of those people, you should do as you wish. But, it won't stop me from calling you out if I think you are being racist. I'm not saying you are a racist.... just sometimes the the opinions you express appear to me that you might be basing your opinion on race.
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4691
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4/11/2012 7:04:35 AM
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My source was my memory. But I just googled it and found numerous sources ranging from 92% to 98%; most common between the 95% to 97%. Regardless, it clearly indicates that race was a major factor in the black vote whereas there is no indication in the voting split to say the same about the while vote.
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Talullahhound
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4/11/2012 8:28:30 AM
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Ah, so it is a "sounds right" guess.
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Is Bill Ayers?
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MrHodja
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Who
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4/11/2012 4:55:09 PM (updated 4/11/2012 4:56:32 PM)
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For someone who claims to know so much you certainly are ignorant in some areas. Or is it that you are just blind to the potentially dangerous associations of the Pretender in Chief?
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You are probably right -- I vaguely remember the Weathermen.
I don't have the time to continually google and do research on things I don't really care about. There is so much rage and hate about that I try not to dwell on negativity and imagining conspiracies that don't exist.
You were actually starting to be civil, but now that MM is back, I see he has emboldened you again.
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MartiniMan
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Stop deleting my posts
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4/12/2012 4:17:13 PM
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and let me respond to your baseless allegation that I am the cause of others becoming nasty. You can certainly dish it out but you can't take it.
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Lifer
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Allegations of Racism
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4/16/2012 3:29:38 PM
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The most racist posts EVER on this forum were made by your husband about ten years ago. He made a whole post on the greatest thing the white man ever did was remove the Indians (native - Americans) to those of us that aren't racist. Or would you rather discuss the thread on blacks in professional sports?
HAHAHA. Now you have to go begging to one of the other moderators to have my posts removed. Good luck with that.
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Lifer
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4/16/2012 3:38:09 PM
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Quote hound:
"There is so much rage and hate about that I try not to dwell on negativity and imagining conspiracies that don't exist."
So Obama didn't launch his political career in the living room of Bill Ayers? I am glad to be well enough again to get my entertainment from you thinking you are so much smarter and better informed than us mere peons who didn't work in the pentagon Bill "just a guy in the neighborhood" Ayers didn't put the deal together for Oblamer to buy his house? Bill Ayers didn't buy the lot next door and sell it at a loss to assist Oblamer? Bill Ayers didn't make NUMEROUS visits to the WH?
Don't sweat the small stuff, we will be your Google.
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