Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 7:58:36 AM (updated 5/3/2022 8:38:56 AM)

That's the talk this morning based on a leak of the decision so predictably the left is going berserk.  Roe v Wade was wrongly decided as it invented a right in the Constitution that simply does not exist.  Now we can go back to what was intended, Federalism.  If some states want to keep murdering babies in the womb they can pass laws to do so and a number of Democrat governors plan to do so.  And if you want to have an abortion then move to a state that allows them.  Then the pro-life movement can focus on changing laws on a state by state basis recogninig that many deep blue states will never stop this abomination.  There's a reason I will never live in California, NY, MASS, NJ, etc.  Have no desire to feed that beast.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 8:17:30 AM (updated 5/3/2022 8:18:03 AM)

posssibly leaked to : 1. get the Lefties motivated; 2. distract from Joe's momentous problems--after all inflation is just a 'joke'--a 'temporary thing'; 

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 10:57:22 AM (updated 5/3/2022 11:00:37 AM)

“We do not see things as THEY are, we see them as WE are.”

                                                                          - Anaïs Nin

In your heart you KNOW if something is right or wrong… good or evil… kind or cruel. If you don’t, then you meet the definition of psychopath.

Can you have empathy for the mother? Do you have empathy for the unborn child?

The mother will have an emotionally desperate future.

The unborn child will not have any future.

A hypothetical question: If abortion had been so readily available in YOUR birth year, is it possible that YOU might not be here? What are the deeds that you would not have done? And what of the accomplishments and successes you would not have enjoyed? Was the pain of your challenges such that you should have been snuffed out in your mother’s womb?

Your family?  They would however, NOT miss you. Save your mother… she would.

What is Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness… if there is no opportunity to pursue?

Perhaps the most desirable trait for a judge… is wisdom.

- LMF Curmudgeon

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 11:13:21 AM

Obviously a leak for political purposes.  This country has lost its moral compass, when Supreme Court decisions are used as political fodder. Already, Biden is talking about sweeping legislation to codify abortion as a legal right.   

I have always supported a woman's right to choose, because I feel that the government has no place in the decision. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion, so if you don't believe in it, you won't consider it. My feeling is that it was a decision to be made between a man, a woman and the medical community with no legal or government intervention. My problem with those that want to ban abortion is that I don't think they are taking into consideration the long term consequences of bringing an unwanted child into the world. I realize that others feel differently, and I respect their belief.  But to take away that option is wrong. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 11:19:13 AM

I have great emapthy for women that experience an unwanted pregnancy and financially support crisis pregnancy centers.  But the reality is the vast majority of abortions are for convenience rather than truly awful circumstances.  But given that the vast majority of women made a choice that put them in that situation my greater loyalty is to the innocent baby who had no choice and has no voice and can be denied the fundamental human right to life.  Others are free to disagree with me and I am happy to discuss my position.  But hopefully they will they no longer be able to say it is "the law of the land".    

The problem with Roe v Wade is that it was wrongly decided and has created all the conflict by making up a right to privacy that simply does not exist.  Once it is moved to the states where it belongs the issue can be decided by elected officials and not by the courts.  And if enough people in a state elect politicans that oppose abortion it will be outlawed.  If not, it won't but that will be the work of those on both sides of the issue.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 11:23:30 AM

While I understand that argument I believe that life begins at conception and every child has the right to life.  I have tremendous sympathy for women who find themselves in that situation but in the vast majority of cases it was based on their own decisions.  The child should not suffer for their choices.  If this ruling stands then the issue of abortion being legal returns to where it belongs, the states and the will of the people in that state.  The only way we can get beyond this raging debate is to change the hearts of people about when life begins.  If enough elected officials in a state are for abortion it will be legal in that state.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 12:14:05 PM (updated 5/3/2022 12:17:00 PM)

There are long term consequences to continuing my life, and your life.  Hopefully, you and I will have more to say about that than the poor unborn human being who could be snuffed out by the decision of another.

The woman and the man have authority over their body.  They can choose to procreate if they wish, or take steps not to.  Once that baby is created, at conception, that human should have some rights.

And, yes, no doubt this leak was political, perhaps to kill to filibuster

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 12:27:16 PM

I actually believe the purpose of the leak was three fold.  First, to put pressure on one of the majority to change their position much as Roberts did at the last minute to preserve Obamacare.  Second, to mobilize the Democratic base for the midterms.  Third, to reinvigorate the concept of court packing.  If Roberts wants to preserve the reputation of the Court they should issue the ruling ASAP.  Otherwise, if the ruling changes later everyone will believe it was because of political pressure.  And of course Roberts ruled with the minority on this one.  As a Catholic (who was the speaker at my son's high school graduation before moving to SCOTUS) he is going to have to answer for his votes with the ultimate judge.  I do not envy him in that regard.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 12:31:58 PM

Article the twelfth [Amendment X]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Article. XIV. Section. 1.

… No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Definition of liberty                                     (Merriam-Webster)

1 : the quality or state of being free:

a : the power to do as one pleases

b : freedom from physical restraint

c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic (see despot sense 1) control

d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges

e : the power of choice

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 1:54:29 PM

I will grant you that the woman and man have the power to decide to procreate or not.  And I definitely don't see abortion as a form of birth control - but accidents do happen even with birth control.  Personally, I can think of several groups that should probably be sterilized since they demonstate no ability to practice birth control - I know that's pretty radical and I'm somewhat joking... Clearly they are not getting abortions. 

But it seems cruel to me that women would be forced to carry the product of a rape or incest; or a baby that is seriously deformed or defective or puts the mother's health at risk to carry it to term.  

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 2:01:35 PM

Chief Roberts and the Court have confirmed the leaked draft is real.  He has called for an investigation by court authorities.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 2:06:44 PM

Yes.  Beyond the issue, it is a serious breach for the court.  Politico got the leak, so no doubt one of the liberals on the court decided to let it rip.  Normally, I'd think a Congressional member, but I don't know if they get drafts of court decisions.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 2:11:01 PM

Hound, if we could agree to limit abortion to instances of rape, incest and actual physical harm to the mother we would be very close to agreement on this issue.  I will say on the issue of rape or incest, as horrible as that is as a way to create a life, the baby is still innocent but is asked to pay for the rape/incest with their life.  But if abortion were limited to those instances then those of us who are pro-life would consider it a massive win.  At that point we would be in a much better place to provide counsel to women in that situation and if it is legal and they are determined to go ahead with the abortion then so be it.

To me that was the massive problem with Roe v Wade and the Casey decision.  It placed no boundaries on abortion from conception onward.  Even these hearbeat bills would save the lives of millions of innocent children and are embraced by the pro-life movement.  As for your joke about contraception, given how easily accessible it is I think we are already in a place where far too many are irresponsible.  But again, I don't believe denying a child the opportunity to live is a proportionate response.

One irony of this whole thing is that suddenly the left is acknowledging that women give birth.  I can assure you the irony is lost of them but not on me.  After this returns to a normal level of insanity they will be back to birthing people in no time.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 2:13:39 PM

What I read is that there are around 30 people who get draft opinions and all are either justices or their clerks.  I am guessing some SJW 20 something clerk leaked it.  This person should be found and disbarred......never to be an attorney ever again.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 4:50:13 PM (updated 5/3/2022 4:51:06 PM)

What I am actually waiting on now is for the demonrats to enter SCOTUS and guess what its an insurrection, all get treated like Jan 6th.

Lock them up and maybe get them a trial in a year or two.

Never happen sadly - not the entering / sit-ins that they did in the past - but the lock them up part.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/3/2022 4:54:03 PM

Considering that the left cannot decide what a woman is, that is a big leap for them. 

Notice how the left immediately joined the abortion issue to LGBQT plus?  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Roe v Wade overturned?
Date:	5/4/2022 10:15:36 AM

Don't forget race as well.  Somehow in their demented world view it is racist and alphabet peoplephobic to oppose abortion.  An interesting take given most abortions are of people of color.