Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 6:38:52 AM

According to video and reports it looks as if Tubberville is poised to be the one Senator prepared to object in the Senate to stop the elections steal. Rand Paul has hinted also that he will.  That will make things really interesting.  The Turtle is they might actually have to do their duty and cast an actual vote on something that mattersd and take a stand one way or the other.  The rank and file are afraid if they buck leadership they will lose financial support and plum comitee asignments.  That is what they fear when the fate of the nation is at stake.  Pathetic.

I don't think they have to worry about leadership because if they don't support Trump in the vote they wont be around long.  I would expect an awful lot of them to be primaried and some recall votes even.  The house votes should be 30 to 20 but I never doubt the abillity aof the Republican Sureender Caucaus to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Biden is making speeches about how gun violence is a "national health emergency".  Of course we all know that will be the excuse to launch massive "gun control rules".  Notice I didn't say laws because any unconstitutional law is not valid.  I guess next Webster will get busy redifing the words/term "shall not be infringed".

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 7:32:28 AM

From a Republican....."Complaining and bellyaching is not a manly trait, it’s actually sad. Real men accept a loss with grace.”

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 7:55:20 AM

You are correct.  REAL men don't whine about crap, they take action.  

Wair for it.....

Name:	Summer Lover -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 10:26:35 AM (updated 12/18/2020 10:31:24 AM)

Do you expect that real men and women will accept the loss of a constitutional right with grace?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 11:55:37 AM (updated 12/18/2020 12:05:00 PM)

I don't know about woman but I know real men will as posted by a Republican Congressman. I haven't seen any evidence of a constitutional loss. All I see are sore losers. Maybe, there is evidence that eventually will be  produced but all I have seen are conspiracy theories.

Trump has given up...he says nothing about the hacking which is like a Declaration of War. He cares little about the virus and the vaccine. He is missing in action. Now, even his neighbors in Florida don't want him living at Mar-A-Lago and he faces indictments in New York. No wonder he is fighting to stay in office. I "almost" feel sorry for him but can't move beyond almost.

Name:	Summer Lover -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 12:49:37 PM

I could care less about what ANY politician has to say. 

What I DO care about is the clear gutting of the second amendment...  I am not so stupid that I believe that the proposed gun bans are in ANY way related to a "health crisis", as the ones being targeted are seldom used in crimes.  This is just part of the process to take firearms out of the hands of the American citizens.  Start with something that looks "mean", then go to anything with a detachable magazine, then to repeaters... 

It takes an incredibly naive person to believe that near total disarmament is not the desired result.  You know – that whole “citizen / subject” thing.  Or is there a reason that YOU can think of why the Constitution only applied to “freemen” and not to slaves?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 1:00:50 PM

I own firearms and have no fear they are going to be taken away. 

Name:	Summer Lover -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/18/2020 1:26:44 PM

Are you going to comply with the registration orders?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/18/2020 3:43:24 PM (updated 12/18/2020 3:45:51 PM)

I don't think I fall into that category. I have 3 magazines that are 7 shot and no assault type weapons. All my shooting over the years has been at targets. Do you see anything that would require me to register? To answer your question, if I fell in the registration category, yes I would as the penalty if you are caught is quite hefty.

I certainly support a background check on everyone trying to buy a firearm. And, a check on family members who inherit a firearm. Anyone who has an issue with universal background check should live next door to someone who beats his wife and inherited a firearm.

This makes no sense....do you agree?  "If you inherit or are gifted a firearm, you don't need a background check. Private sellers aren't required to ask for identification, they don't have to complete any forms, nor keep any records of the transaction. What's more, federal law does not mandate a background check to purchase a firearm from a private seller."

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/18/2020 4:18:25 PM

I don't have to do a background check on anyone to sell them a car either, and they are likely to kill someone as a gun. More die from automobile accidents than by gun every year.  Both REQUIRE a human to operate them.  Automobiles and trucks are being used as weapons with more and more frequency, both offensively and deffensively.  One could drive that car straight into a crowd of trumistas so why not require a backgroud check to sell you a car.  A car is most ceertainly more likely to be used in a crime as a gun, it takes the perps to the crime and affects their getaway, but only a small fractions of crimes are committed using a gun.

So there is my argument for background checks for automobile sales.  

Owning a operating a vehicle in this country is a priviledge licensed and regulated by the State.

OWNING AND OPERATING A FIREARM IS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT!

Name:	Summer Lover -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/18/2020 8:56:12 PM

Please define an "assault type weapon".  Until politicians and anti-gun people got into the fray, an assault rifle was a select fire weapon that was chambered for an intermediate cartridge.  Select fire means it can operate in two (or more) different modes – autoloader (semi-automatic), automatic (fully automatic) and/or burst fire.  The intermediate cartridge refers to something like 5.56 X45 or 7.62 X 39, NOT 7.62 X 51, or 7.62 X 54.  An M14 - even though it is select fire - is NOT an assault rifle – it is a battle rifle.

 In the past (the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban), part of the verbiage limited firearms that "were able to accept a detachable magazine", and looked like this (had listed features).  I do not see it as a stretch at all for the definition to morph into “a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of accepting a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds”.  All of a sudden, every autoloader with a detachable magazine is an assault weapon.  If you have a 1911 chambered in 45 ACP and ONLY have 7 – 10 round magazines, then you would not be impacted yet.  You may have heard that saying “as California goes, so does the country”…  Do you consider the gun control laws of that state to be common sense? If you have a 1911 with a threaded barrel, it is already an assault weapon in California.

 It is a felony to lie on a 4473 (background check form you fill out when buying a firearm).  A felony…  So, because it is that serious; and we are trying to keep guns out of the wrong hands, we prosecute ALL prohibited persons who attempt to buy a firearm – right?  Welllllll.  No, we don’t.  In 2009 more than 71,000 cases were referred to U.S. attorneys and of that number, there were 77 prosecutions.  This should be like picking apples off of a tree, but the Government chooses not to protect us…  The universal background checks sound relatively innocuous, but they are not being pushed to keep firearms out of the wrong hands, they are wanted so that there are records of where EVERY firearm is – registration.  And registration will lead to uh…  Mandatory buybacks.  There, I used the liberal phrase. 

As an aside - apparently, WMA ranges no longer allow targets that resemble a human...  No B-27's, no zombie targets....  LOL, what the he77 is happening???  

Name:	Lighthouse -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/19/2020 9:58:32 AM

Thanks summer lover.  Well said

Name:	Smitty -	Reply
Subject:	Tubby steps up
Date:	12/19/2020 11:28:50 AM

Trust me Lifer....I'm waitin for you.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/19/2020 11:34:04 AM

I agree.  I also think the anti-gun people are hung up on the looks of the weapon.  AR-15 is a semi-automatic, no different from your hunting rifle, yet, because of the way it looks, it is referred to as a "assault" weapon.  It's a packaging issue, because it is still one tigger pull, one bullet.  Remember the big "victory" after the Las Vegas shooting?  Liberal thought they had a big victory because they outlawed bump stocks, something not widely used.  They had no clue  

The problem is that they are not enforcing the rules on the books.  Also, people are a problem.  Remember the Sandy Hook shootings?  The mother bought the AR for the son, who was not only autistic but apparently harbored mental illness.  What was she thinking?  It seems like every time one of these young people do a mass shooting, some adult in their life either failed to secure the weapon or knew there was a problem developing, but didn't do anything about it, and if they did try to engage law enforcement, there was nothing that could be done.  

It's going to be interesting to see what the Biden administration tries to do with this.  Considering that gun sales are at an all time high and that ammunition is in very short supply, I don't imagine that attempts to restrict guns will be taken easily.  

Name:	Summer Lover -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/21/2020 8:10:19 AM

Yes, this will be another “divide and conquer” event.  Ban bump stocks first, now stabilizing pistol braces and semi-automatic rifles and pistols that look a certain way.  But I guess Identity Politics is running wide open now.  I do not understand how people can say that they are not against ALLOWING citizens to have guns, but just not THAT kind.  Just a matter of time before the Government comes door to door to take all of them.  I guess that my grandfather was a rebel.  Before the Government came for his guns, one was already in the outhouse…  Not hanging on the wall either.  Oh, guess I should say that was Nazi Germany…. But noooooo, won’t happen here… 

 People have been brainwashed or started out a special kind of stupid if they believe that the second amendment was not added to help prevent Government tyranny. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/21/2020 8:43:51 AM

Preventing government tyranny is exactly why the second amendment was added to our Constitution!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/21/2020 9:12:17 AM

Considering the context of when the 2nd Amendment was written, you are exactly right.  It's never been clear to me why liberals want to control everything, yet they claim to be so worried about human rights.  When you think of it - they want to impose gun control on every American citizen, on the chance that it will stop one unknown lunatic from killing other people - yet they fail to realize that they can never control the black market gun sales from which the guns used in the vast majority of everyday crimes, come from.  It's lunacy.  

Why not control SSDI better to keep the large majority of people who collect, from collecting benefits when they could obviously do some something in terms of work - especially considering we have an Americans with Disabilities Act that requires employers to make reasonable accomodations?

Name:	Summer Lover -	Reply
Subject:	Time For Firearms
Date:	12/21/2020 3:22:29 PM

Being a deterrent to Government tyranny is the ONLY reason the second amendment was written…  Not sure when hunting licenses were first issued or hunting seasons were instituted, but I am pretty sure that the framers of the Constitution had no plans for those restrictions.  As far as self-defense…  The fact that laws have to be passed to say that a castle doctrine exists is beyond me.  Fast forward to Bush 41, and we suddenly have a “legitimate sporting purpose” clause thrown in…  I have still not found that “requirement” in the Second…  And I always thought that target shooting was a sport, and 3-gun competitions definitely seem to fit that bill. 

Hound, yes, the Liberals want to take our guns, and yes, they want all of us subjects to rely on the Government for everything.  But they know there will be a struggle, and THAT is why they started with the type that are generally not used in crimes and of which there are ONLY what – 20 – 25 million of.