Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Gun Control
Date:	3/5/2018 5:47:27 PM

I have several people that I am friends with from High School.  We went to high school in the late 60s/early 70s.  I guess back in the day I would have been considered a liberal, because I didn't believe in the Viet Nam war (still don't, although married to a VN vet), and a lot of "liberal" things that a lot of people believed at that time.  

So these (continued) liberal friends of mine have been posting all of the anti-gun BS, and I have politely tried to correct their "facts" about guns.  Yesterday, I asked one of them if she had ever actually held a gun and fired it.  She replied no, because she never wanted to kill anything.  Even a target?  No.  To me, that immediately takes her out of the argument.  Anyone that had never held and fired a gun had no idea about the capabilites of a gun, what you have to do to shoot it, and what it feels like when you pull the trigger.  She has no idea what she is arguing against, other than other liberal's words.  

Then another friend popped up and said Trump was going to force teachers to carry guns.  Now, to my knowledge no one has ever said that teachers would be forced to be armed.   I have found myself correcting a lot of people on this point.  It woud seem a lot of people read a lot of anti-gun BS, and take it at face value.  I really doubt that this friend has ever held or shot a gun either.  Doubt either one of them knows anyone who hunts.  

I am constantly confounded about whether I should correct their "facts" or whether I should leave them in their ignorance.  

Another thing I wonder is how people don't change from HS.  All of us are college educated and I would think at this age (63) we would have learned only to believe half of what you hear or read.   I honestly think they are appalled by the things I believe in now.  

How are you handling people that you know and generally like, but have some really off the wall thoughts on guns and things?  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-KRAP
Date:	3/5/2018 7:35:53 PM

Why don't you follow your own advice on the Forum?????

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	RACIST-WIX
Date:	3/5/2018 10:29:16 PM

What has wix said that makes you think he/she is racist?

Name:	Rich -	Reply
Subject:	Gun Control
Date:	3/6/2018 6:59:14 AM

Well I think GF has it right his time. I am surprised by the people that still seem just as mindless as we were when we "Knew everything".Some even knowing me have gone straight to the lefts talking points of atacking the messenger rather than discussing the facts and even as far as using the racist attack when all else has failed. That for me is the final straw where I cutoff contact realizing they are not the people I once knew.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	RACIST-WIX
Date:	3/6/2018 5:16:54 PM

Interesting GOOF-KRAP ignores your question.  He's usually responding with some extracted krap from a 5 yr old post that has nothing to do with the DIMOKRAP pet phrase “racist”.

Name:	BrownBear -	Reply
Subject:	Gun Control
Date:	3/7/2018 6:36:11 PM

First off, a big thank you to your spouse for their service! I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, retired Army.

Second, with the information overload that we get today it's hard to make a good decision on anything. We have news reports putting out inaccurate information with no fact checking or credible sources, it's like who can get the "story" out first to get the ratings. You never get the whole story until you do the research yourself. I don't knee jerk react to "news" as it's just a crap show of nothing. I don't like media telling me what I think, I am not a sheep. Like you said, people don't change much and they would believe almost anything that you tell them. BTW, you have won a lottery you didn't enter and send me money so we can get this processed.

My mother would say “We just need to bomb that whole county”, she was talking about Iraq. I had to explain to her that there were not only bad guys there, but good people just like many others in the world trying to just live their life in peace and raise a family. I told her not to judge a majority, based on the actions of a few. She was a sheep, lead astray by the media’s constant showing of explosions and gunfire, until I told her of the kids playing, farmers and ranchers with their animals, merchants, etc. all just living a somewhat normal life same as ours here, just in a different part of the world. Just because a few people do some bad things, this is not the majority.

Raising the age limit on buying guns… we raising the driving age too? How about smoking? Drinking? Selective service? All very dangerous and hazardous things, which young people experience and encounter every day, but no change to that? Why is that? All these thing kill and hurt people everyday…hmm. Maybe because it’s not in mainstream media. No way, we would know because the media would let us know.

From the IIHS website: A total of 37,461 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2016. From the CDC website: More than 480,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke). From the NIAAA website: An estimated 88,000⁸ people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women⁸) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity. From the CDC website: All firearms death in 2015, 36,252

Do we the people need a 30 round magazine? Several magazines? Maybe not, maybe so, depends on the situation. Am I hunting with it or defending my family with it? I would be just fine hunting with a 5 or 10 round magazine, but middle of the night unknown number of people break in, then I want a 100+ drum mag and you are getting every round! Just saying. :)

At the end of the day, it comes down to what I believe is responsibility. Responsibility of the parent(s) to supervise and teach their children right from wrong. Unfortunately our American culture has changed so much that majority of adults today raising these kids don’t instill this value in them and society goes along and blames everything else, but what is truly wrong, lack of responsibility. Anyone read that the Florida boy’s guardians were charged with anything? Yeah, I didn’t find anything either, but somewhat in their defense they only had him for a little while. But none the less, someone thought it was ok for him to have this tool of destruction, I say tool, because it is a tool, he was the weapon. He could have just as easily took a knife and slit people throats as they went by, or built some sort of device, to take out a lot more. It a sad state of chaos we live in, or should I say survive in now a days. Either way no matter what side of the fence you are on, something has to change and we all need to find that common ground to be agree upon.

Have a great day! Hope you got something positive from my post.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Gun Control
Date:	3/8/2018 9:01:07 AM

Amen and Amen.