Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 5:08:32 PM (updated 3/24/2017 5:09:37 PM)

is in classic motion---by TRUMP pulling the bill --all the problems of OBAMACARE now belong to the Demokrauts--watch it explode as insurers flee, deductibles increase to $12,000 & premiums soar; sometimes what goes around ______________ !

it will be very interesting to see how Schumer, Pilosi, Feinstein & Warren spin this one

Name:	realfast64 -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 5:56:32 PM

AIN'T that the truth!!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 6:03:44 PM

If Trump were a real leader, he wold have called in the leaders of both parties and discussed FIXING Obamacare. They need to tighten the pre exisiting feature. People need a one time entry and after that have no coverage for one year for a pre existing condition plus increased premium. Or, join now or no coverage for preexising. That is why the rates are so high. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 6:29:30 PM (updated 3/24/2017 7:37:10 PM)

I agree with Rand Paul on the bill.  It was Obamacare lite, it was a Fix GF.  Democrats are going to wish they had saved it when everything explodes and implodes.  The folks at the GOP town halls will be back but this time saying 1. my insurance company bailed on me or 2. i cannot afford preminums and even then the deductibles are breaking me  3. yall need to FIX this (oh, wait we wouldn't let would we?)

We are headed toward catastrophic covered mostly by the government, and individuals and insurance companies deciding how much is worthwhile (cost benefit) to be covered before that.   It won't be pretty, but what we have now is already catastrophic, not so much what it is doing to Obamacare holders but how much it affected the 85% of health coverage that was working fairly well before.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-KRAP
Date:	3/24/2017 7:16:42 PM (updated 3/24/2017 7:22:51 PM)

Your proposal is exactly what all insurance with employers I worked for offered.  That is exactly what the OBAMMIE IDIOT got rid of with OBAMMIEcare.  What you are proposing is what has always been!  WOW!!  You are so smart!!!  But wait, that's not the only problem with Oc. Limited competitors, astronomical deductibles, and much more must be corrected.  Good to see you are coming around to some level of reasoning, but ya got mo work to do.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-
Date:	3/24/2017 7:21:54 PM

Hey Wix, you got so excited that you peed in your pants and deleted the wrong post. Try again old man.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-
Date:	3/24/2017 7:24:18 PM

Got your disease....double click-itis....

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 7:26:52 PM

BTW, I'm very glad they canned RYANcare.  Paul Ryan is about as much a leader as OBAMMIE was......GEEZ.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 8:17:59 PM

Best line I've read:

"Everybody talks about who will take the blame if TrumpCare fails in the House today. What they ought to be talking about is who would get the blame if it passed."

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/24/2017 8:59:35 PM

It seems the Demorat side of congress will not support anything if doesn't support the

Cloward–Piven strategy.

And the RINOs support the same thing.  Evil is doggedly patient.

I supported the conservative stance to repeal not patch up Obamacare.  Is Ryan a RINO traitor?

Wonder if the teeth of Obamacare will appear? Fines increased.  Then IRS guns to your head.  Bank accounts debited. 

I think they are scared to escalate the push to shove.  It would be time for the government to fear rather than its people fear.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/25/2017 9:20:59 AM

correct me if i'm wrong; doesnt OC impose a penalty if you are UNINSURED ? so , if one couldnt afford the premium up front, how do they expect you to pay a penalty ? Govt loan i presume ?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	art of the deal
Date:	3/25/2017 3:48:55 PM

A lot of people said that they don't buy insurance and they don't mind paying the penalty because it is cheaper than the premium. 

I'm glad the bill was withdrawn,  because if they don't have the votes to pass it when the Republicans hold the majority in both the house and the Senate, there is a strong probability that it wasn't a good plan.  And I for one, do not want to see one bad plan swapped for another bad plan. 

In my mind, the goal at the end of the day is not a Republican solution or a Democratic solution, but a solution that works for the majority of the people in the United States.  Perhaps the answer is to make changes to Obamacare or perhaps they need to start again with a whole new concept.  It's amazing what can be accomplished when no one cares who gets the credit.  Perhaps the thing to do is enumerate the things that are wrong with Obamacare, and the enumerate what the goals are; and come up with some fixes.  You know, billiions were paid out by Drs. offices, hospitals and insurance companies to put the Obamacare apparateus in place.  So do we now expect those involved to spend billions more putting another apparateus in place? 

The answer isn't for the government to subsidize health insurance, run health insurance or force people to buy it.  But it can be helpful in putting together legisilation that supports the health care industry in coming up with something that will work.  I don't believe that a voucher system is a solution, because the cost of health care will continue to rise and the voucher payments will not.  It's the wrong thing to pull Medicare out from under the feet of seniors.  There needs to be a competive system to bring costs down. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Hound
Date:	3/25/2017 5:56:31 PM

"The answer isn't for the government to subsidize health insurance" It is easy to say that when you are living as a Gov't retiree with subsidized health insurance. You pay the same as active employees who receive insurance subsidized by the tax payers. It is the same as private industry where the employer contributes to the premium. The difference is many companies have eliminated retiree health insurance. You can thank the unions for retiree health insurance.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hound
Date:	3/26/2017 9:26:55 PM

No, the government does not subsidize my insurance as a retiree.  The benefit I get is that I get to stay in the group and the volume of participants is so large, it gets the group a favorable rate.  Active employees of the government have some of their health care costs paid for by the government, at least as of this moment. 

I talk to a lot of people that don't work for the government.  I've been extremely interested in how Obamacare works, how much it costs, and how the coverage is.  Everyone I have talked to that went through exchange says that while they can afford the premiums, the deductibles are ridiculous - so it is about the same as not having insurance. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Hound Call Washington
Date:	3/26/2017 10:36:21 PM (updated 3/26/2017 10:38:56 PM)

Someone is taking advantage of you. According to the Government site the following is posted:

Will my premiums increase once I retire? No, you will pay the same premium as you paid while you were an employee.

However, annuitants are paid on a monthly basis so you will pay them at the monthly rate. You may see an increase if you are employed by an agency, such as the Post Office, that contributes additional money towards the total premium. Retirees receive the same government contribution as most Federal employees.

Here is the web site....

GOVERNMENT WEB SITE