Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 11:46:07 AM

Won't see this in the gov't media.....directly from CDC:

Age Group            Survival Rate

0-19                       99.99997%

20-49                     99.9998%

50-69                     99.995%

70+                        99.95%

Bear in mind this is the survival rate for those that were infected.  And we already know that those that died from the virus had an average of 2.6 co-morbidites.....which is code for them probably having really died from whatever else they had and happened to have the virus as well.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 11:54:03 AM

I would argue that in actuallity it is even higher because we don't know the true infection rate as of yet, and may never really know.  I will bet that millions of folks now carry the antibody because they were infected and didn't know it.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 12:25:48 PM

Totally agree which is what makes these incredibly high survival rates all the more surprising. I am betting once this is all over (i.e., November 4th) and we look at the real numbers the Wuhan virus will be overall no more deadly than the ordinary flu with the exception of those over age 65 with co-morbidities where it will be slightly more deadly.

The reality is that if we followed the science and not phony, fake, failed models we would never locked down this country in the incompetent manner it was done (and is still being done in some leftist states and cities).  Basically we should have allowed everyone under the age of 65 to go about their business with reasonable precautions and focused on protecting the elderly and those with co-morbidities.  Instead, for stupid, political reasons we did the opposite.  NY and NJ are the poster children for how to kill people unnecessarily.

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 2:02:11 PM

Where did you get these numbers, MM?  According to the CDC link below, as of today there have been 6,916,292 confirmed Covid-19 cases and 201,411 deaths in the US, which would yield a "mortality rate" of approximately 2.9% or, conversely, a "survival rate" of just slightly above 97%.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 2:04:41 PM (updated 9/24/2020 2:25:13 PM)

Look up infection fatality ratio on the CDC website.  The overall ratio is 0.65% or 0.0065 but they have also broken that down by age group.  They present the numbers as the fatality ratio, not survival.  I did the math because I think that's a better way to look at it.

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 2:35:42 PM

So are you saying those numbers are the ratios of deaths to total population within those age groups, as opposed to the ratios of deaths to confirmed infections within the same groups, or something else? 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 3:24:53 PM

I'm not saying anything.  The CDC is telling us based on their data what percentage of each age group that were infected and actually died with the virus, likely not necessarily from the virus.

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 3:54:57 PM

Sorry MM but if your numbers purport to show the percentage of Covid deaths to confirmed cases in the US, as you say they do, they are not accurate based on the data provided in the CDC link I attached.  It is mathematically impossible to have an overall survival rate of approximately 97% if ALL subgroups within the overall group have a survival rate equal to or greater than 99.5%.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 4:07:56 PM

You need to do better because the numbers came from the CDC so if you have a problem it is with them, not me.  Maybe you show me the age breakdown of the infection fatality ratio.  Perhaps if you wanted to refute that please by all means do so by going to the CDC website, find their age breakdown of the infection fatality rate and give us all the numbers.  You're comparison of apples to oranges isn't even remotely interesting to me.  Go find the numbers from the CDC website and show me where what I posted was wrong.

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 4:18:14 PM

I provided the CDC's data in the link attached to my original post.  It absolutely refutes what you posted.  I have nothing more to say on this matter.  Good day.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 4:25:39 PM

Look again, there was no link to the infection fatality rate by age group.  Go get that and let me know what was wrong in the numbers I provided.  

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 5:36:44 PM

I know I said I was done with this topic but, credibillity be damned, let me try one last time. 

In my response to your original post, I provided a CDC link which shows that, ACCORDING TO THE CDC, 6,916,292 americans have been confirmed to have contracted Covid 19 and 201,411 have died.  So, first question MM: would you agree that based on the numbers ACCORDING TO THE CDC, approximately 3% of the americans who have contracted Covid 19 so far have died?  Yes/No?

My original comment was in response the following excerpt from your post:

"Won't see this in the gov't media.....directly from CDC (emphasis added):

Age Group            Survival Rate

0-19                       99.99997%

20-49                     99.9998%

50-69                     99.995%

70+                        99.95%

Bear in mind this is the survival rate for those that were infected (emphasis added)." 

So my point was, and continues to be, that the numbers you provided are impossible given the numbers  ACCORDING TO THE CDC link that I provided. By the way, you haven't provided squat! from the CDC.   I don't need to look at a breakdown of death by age groups (as you suggest) since you already provided ALL OF THEM in your original post (quoted above.)  Like I said previously, you cannot mathematically have an overall "survival rate" of 97% if ALL ("0-19, 20-49, 50-59, 70+" is one missing???) of the subgroups that comprise the overall group have a survival rate greater than 99.95%.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Good day.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Sigh......OK, I'll do your work for you
Date:	9/24/2020 5:59:18 PM (updated 9/24/2020 6:01:24 PM)

Don't like to to be wrong so you have to type in all caps and bold?  Take a chill pill and let me educate you so you can calm down and maybe learn something.  First of all, using the number of positive tests is as phony and dumb as you can get.  Everyone knows that the number of confirmed cases from a test is not even remotely close to the number of actual infections.  Heck, they have to estimate the number of cases of the flu each year cause millions of people get the flu and never get tested.  The same with the ChiCom flu.  Duh!  But you apparently don't understand that very simple concept and have made the same stupid mistake the media made for the first several months of this pandemic.

Second, the best estimate of Ro (rate of infection for the virus) is currently 2.5.  Based on the CDC's best estimate of Ro, here is the infection fatality ratio from the CDC's very own website, which I converted to survival rates in my original post to make it easier for the scientifically illiterate.

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054

And below is a screen shot of the actual table from the CDC website since you decided to again question me and regurgitate your apples to compare to my oranges and then double and triple down because you are too lazy to do a Google search.  Please don't challenge me with your faulty math about something of which you apparently do not understand.  And I will stipulate that this infection fatality rate (Ro) of 2.5 is their best estimate as of today.  However, the number has only gone down as we have moved through the pandemic so expect it to be even lower by the time this is in the history books.

Sheesh....one would think after all these years that you would know not to question my data or falsely claim I am making up something like these numbers.  Even the left wing nuts know I post factual data.  They might not like or agree with my conclusions but when I provide actual numbers they are real and not made up.  Now you have a good day as well!

Name:	RHH -	Reply
Subject:	Sigh......OK, I'll do your work for you
Date:	9/24/2020 7:40:02 PM

Take your medical information from MM at your own risk. 
Wear a mask you self centered, selfish fool.

This will not end Nov. 4th, unfortunately.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Sigh......OK, I'll do your work for you
Date:	9/24/2020 8:17:19 PM

I think the issue is in the 70+

Moving from 0.054 to 99.995 does not work

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/24/2020 9:08:23 PM

I've had two friends and three more aquaintancies die of this virus. I've never known anyone that died from the regular flu. I'll wear a mask and wish that everyone would.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Martini Where Is It???
Date:	9/25/2020 3:26:01 AM (updated 9/25/2020 3:26:37 AM)

"And below is a screen shot of the actual table from the CDC website"  Please post...thank you.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Martini Where Is It???
Date:	9/25/2020 8:52:35 AM (updated 9/25/2020 9:21:27 AM)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#table-1

Never knew how hard it is for some people to type a few words into Google.......

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/25/2020 8:53:47 AM

Over my lifetime I've known dozens of people that have died from pneumonia.  I do not know anyone that has died from the Wuhan virus.  Masks do not protect you from the virus.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It's from the CDC dumbass
Date:	9/25/2020 9:00:31 AM

I already stated that several times. And if you consider my pointing out the CDC best estimate of the infection fatality ratio as "medical advice" you are beyond hopeless.  Now if I told you to stand on your head and rub your belly to get rid of the virus that would be medical advice......but you wouldn't know the difference.

And you sheeple keep wearing your masks if it makes you feel better.  Just stay the he!! away from me because you are too stupid to understand what actually works (i.e., staying home when sick and social distancing).  So many people are anti-science or at best scientifically illiterate and are mind numbed zombies that will give up their freedom when told to do something by the gov't.  Me, not so much....I'll do what makes sense.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Sigh......OK, I'll do your work for you
Date:	9/25/2020 9:04:00 AM

You are indeed correct about the age but I would add younger people with certain co-morbidities like COPD, depressed immune system, diabetes, morbid obesity, etc.  And yes, I fat fingered the number....it is 99.5% survival rate for those in that age group. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Martini ....Found It
Date:	9/25/2020 12:19:54 PM

Obviously, you stole a page from Trump...offer to post, lie about it, and then blame someone else. I love TDS.....it makes you nervous.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Martini ....Found It
Date:	9/25/2020 12:27:15 PM (updated 9/25/2020 12:28:24 PM)

And you stole a page from Hiden Biden to just lie and then say crap about Trump.

Screen shot of the MM post with the screen shot at the bottom where he said it was - you either need to learn to scroll down or adjust your meds.

I do not expect you will admit your mistake, but will probably post some lame insult or other crap next.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	TDS hardly makes me nervous
Date:	9/25/2020 12:39:04 PM

But people either too lazy or dumb to use Google or DuckDuckGo to find something is annoying.  Why someone would question the legitimacy of what I posted (despite my fat fingers) as if I would ascribe something to the CDC that didn't exist......that is the work of TDS sufferers, not me. 

And what is most fascinating is that the original point of the posting was to demonstrate what I have been saying from the get go.  1) The ChiCom virus is not nearly as deadly as was originally represented with the 2M dead in the U.S., original mortality rates based on the wrong denominator, etc.;  2) the economic shutdown was a massive mistake and a fraud on the American people; and 3) we should have focused all our attention on those over age 65 or 70 and younger people with co-morbidities and let the rest of us carry on with our lives.

But no, I get insipid responses comparing apples to oranges and telling me my numbers make no sense and challenges to provide a link to the CDC website.   I swear people actually want this to be worse than it is so they can justify their sheeple desire to wear masks while driving around in a car all by themselves or hiding in their basement cowering in fear.  And those are the ones that are just scientifically illiterate and I can kind of give them a pass.  Then there are the ones suffering from TDS that want pain and suffering as long as they think it will negatively impact Trump's re-election bid.  Those people are deranged and evil.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Martini ....Found It
Date:	9/25/2020 12:40:20 PM

I'm just impressed that he could actually post a response in the right place in the thread.  But sadly his reading comprehension has been decimated by TDS.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/25/2020 12:49:52 PM (updated 9/25/2020 12:51:26 PM)

From my limited knowledge, it appears the chart you posted are estimates from early data from China and 6 European countries.

"These estimates are based on age-specific estimates of infection fatality ratios from Hauser, A., Counotte, M.J., Margossian, C.C., Konstantinoudis, G., Low, N., Althaus, C.L. and Riou, J., 2020. Estimation of SARS-CoV-2 mortality during the early stages of an epidemic: a modeling study in Hubei, China, and six regions in Europe."

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/25/2020 1:13:10 PM (updated 9/25/2020 2:02:22 PM)

Right, because we have literally no idea exactly how many people have actually been infected because not everyone got tested or gets tested so they have to make a best guess on Ro and use that to calculate the infection mortality ratio. 

They do the exact same thing for the ordinary flu season. So for example, they estimated that the number of people infected in the U.S. in 2008-2009 with the H1N1 virus was 60 million.  Do they know for sure?  Nope. 

But what they can do is use the current data on confirmed infections and ascribed COVID deaths to develop their best estimate of Ro and then from there calculate the infection fatality ratio by age group.  As we have more data the estimates will be more accurate.  Early estimates were infection fatality ratios of almost 3% which was absurd and eventually proven wrong by orders of magnitude.

But again, none of this obviates my entirely logical conclusions regarding the pandemic.  Those who are at any significant risk are over age 70 and that is where we should have put almost all our effort while letting the rest of us go about our business.  They should have provided guidance to everyone (especially Cuomo and the idiot governor of NJ) about how to protect the elderly while the virus runs its course through the rest of the population. I cannot believe I have to say this over and over again because it is so self-evident.  

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/25/2020 3:19:05 PM

Didn't mention pneumonia. You repost CDC charts as fact yet choose not to believe the CDC when they say masks are currently the best tool individuals have to help stop the spread?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/25/2020 7:05:58 PM

Right, because if you mentioned pneumonia or heart disease or cancer or any of the other causes of death it would put the ChiCom virus in perspective.

As for the CDC and masks, is the CDC that first told us not to wear masks or the CDC that told us to wear them or the CDC that admitted they don't prevent the transmission of viruses?  Just want to know which CDC you like.  

I am merely reporting what they are currently saying about the infection mortality ratio and how it should influence policy if our govt folks had a clue.  But you wear your mask alone in your car, in the shower, on the toilet or whatever.....just stay away from me because I know based on experience and observation that you sheeple mask wearers don't practice social distancing and are probably stupid enough to think if you are wearing a mask you can go out when you are sick.  As for me, I take my temp every morning at home and if I have any symptoms I stay home and avoid others.  You just keep being you......and I'll be me and not get the virus.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/25/2020 11:27:02 PM

I've never worn a mask when I'm alone. Unlike you I wear a mask as much for others as for myself. Guess I'm not as self centered as some.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/26/2020 8:58:10 AM

Since the mask is less than useless I would argue just the oppisite.  Wearing it nothing more than vurtue signalling, an attempt to hold yourself out as better than those of us that REFUSE to wear one, because you "care" so much about others.  This is nothing but self-centered behavior IMO.

What the mask you are so proudly wearing says to folks like me is that you are a mind numbed zombie of the democrat death cult, supprot blm aka riots and looting, and will follow democrats right off a cliff like a Lemming.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/26/2020 9:05:09 AM

OK Karen......I know the mask Nazi's love to wrap themselves in their righteousness regardless of the science because they are sheeple who can't think for themselves. As for me, I happen to know that the measures I take are the ones that are actually protecting people and that you mask sheeple are a danger to the rest of us because you think the masks magically protect you. Like I said, wear your mask all you want but stay the he!! away from me.  And save your Karen for someone that cares.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/26/2020 11:51:32 AM (updated 9/26/2020 11:52:30 AM)

Martini.... Never say never. Tell Karen and th Nazi's when you do wear a mask?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	ChiCom virus infection survival rate by age group
Date:	9/26/2020 1:13:39 PM (updated 9/26/2020 1:15:11 PM)

Good point and I'll be glad to.  I have said this before and it's worth repeating.  I wear a mask anywhere that requires one in order to be there, assuming I want to be there.  So for example, I wear a mask to attend Mass.  I wear one in the grocery store if its required and I need to go there.  I wear one entering and exiting a restaurant if it is required.  That is the price I pay to enter private property.

I don't wear them in my car like so many idiots do.  I don't wear them when I'm outside.  Basically I don't wear them to protect myself or anyone else because they don't work.  I wear them when I have to in order to go somewhere I want to go.......

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	This Is Life and So True
Date:	9/26/2020 2:15:29 PM (updated 9/26/2020 2:37:01 PM)

"If you want to know your past life, look into your present condition; if you want to know your future life, look at your present actions."

As a doc once told my wife, what you eat today, smoke, or drink will not effect you today or tomorrow. However, all that has changed with the virus. How we live today can very well effect us tomorrow. I still believe if you meet someone who is positive, you have a better chance if both at wearing masks. And that is the problem, no one wears a sign that reads I Am Positive.

Earlier this week, I was getting cash from an ATM machine and someone walked into the enclosed area. I asked them to please wait outside.Their response was ..."Why"? I knew where this was heading so I simply looked at guy, who appeared to be in his forties, and said "Cause I have been coughing for the past 2 days." The SOB got out of their real quick. Call me a Nazi or Karen is kid stuff...if that makes your day so be it. They told us not to wear masks early on cause they wanted all the masks for healthcare professionals.

Are they uncomfortable? Hell yea...but so was a tube up my nose and into my stomach last year.

Can a Deplorable please explain why healthcare professions all wear masks?

Stay Safe

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	This Is Life and So True
Date:	9/26/2020 5:35:11 PM

Because they are REQUIRED TO, by your beloved government or risk loosing their license, Dumbass.  I ahve seen a couple of doctors and a couple of dentists since this started and all four think the maks is worthless, but hqve to wear them else some Karen calls and reports them.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	This Is Life and So True
Date:	9/26/2020 6:59:22 PM

Can't understand what you are trying to post. Learn to spell and come back again. I think you are trying to state they wear masks cause they are required to? Why do you think they are required to wear them? The answer is really quite easy. Even you should get it right.

Because they are REQUIRED TO, by your beloved government or risk loosing their license, Dumbass. ( This is one of those Alabama power words. Excellent choice.)  I ahve seen a couple of doctors and a couple of dentists since this started and all four think the maks is worthless, but hqve to wear them else some Karen calls and reports them.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	This Is Life and So True
Date:	9/26/2020 8:28:32 PM

Explain why they have to stay home from work if they are sick.....after all they wear masks, right?  The simple answer is they wear them to reduce droplets. But answer this question.  How come workers in bio labs wear Level A when they handle virus samples?  Ought to be safe with a mask, right?  You left wing nuts are so anti science or illiterate. Can't decide which. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This Is Life and So True
Date:	9/28/2020 8:15:52 AM

Not to mention the drs hopefully change their masks between patients vs wearing the same one all day, day after day - or at best rotate through 3-4 during the entire week.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This Is Life and So True
Date:	9/28/2020 8:18:26 AM

When in doubt go spelling / grammer Nazi - its always easier then to attack an arguement.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Martini
Date:	9/28/2020 3:21:34 PM

Why do you wear a mask in the office?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Martini
Date:	9/28/2020 5:04:14 PM

I don't because one is not required.  Never have and never will.  I wear it to mass, to stores and restaurants that require one.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Martini
Date:	9/28/2020 6:55:23 PM

Short memory.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Martini
Date:	9/29/2020 8:26:08 AM

How so?  I never said I wore a mask to work.