Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 5:24:17 PM

With just two weeks left in his eight year "reign", Obama is planning to meet with Democratic Congressmen to try and save Obama Care. It just shows that he thought everything he has done was "safe" once Hillary took command, and now his world is crumbling. He is frantic with everything that is happening to his "legacy" and will stop at nothing, even when it places the the United States in a dangerous position around the world. Everything he is doing is for his "own" gratification, regardless of what may be the consequences of his actions. He is doing anything he thinks is possible to upset the beginning of a new era under Donald Trump, and "to hell" with the United States. I almost forgot to mention the recent actions he has directed toward Israel is nothing more than a "slap" in the face to all Christians around the world. When you add up all of the actions he has taken in the "last" week, it is scary to think about what else he may do in the next few days.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 7:57:41 PM

Have you given any thought as to what has to be changed in Obamacare to correct the problems you currently have with the program? All I hear is Repeal Obamacare...... what is the problem with Obamacare that can't just be fixed?

Name:	Lighthouse -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 8:33:15 PM

It is way too expensive with high deductables unless you happen to be someome that is eligble for the tax rebate

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 9:37:27 PM

True. Are the insurance companies getting rich with the high rates? Why are the rates high? The answer is NO and that is why companies have dropped out...they have lost alot of money. What can Congress do?  Rates too high, deductibles too high, and companies losing money.

Any suggestions???

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 9:50:55 PM (updated 12/30/2016 9:56:43 PM)

How can you defend your esteemed President deciding to he wants to improve Obama Care with two weeks before he exits the White House? If he was so determined to make improvements why didn't he make his move in that direction a year or so ago? As I said, he thought everything was going to be "hunky-dorey" with Hillary taking control. Since that didn't happen, like all the other "cry babies", he can't admit his defeat and is fighting to try and maintain his "legacy"? You are asking for suggestions? Why don't you ask Obama why all of a sudden he wants to offer his suggestions?

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 10:04:03 PM

I guess I can offer one suggestion. If you want to solve a major problem that affects everyone, don't expect our government to be the one to ask for help?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/30/2016 10:20:19 PM

Government may not have all the solutions. But, I assume you like your government Medicare. After Hillarycare went nowheres, the Insurance industry had 18 years to solve the problem and did nothing. Then, Obamacare was passed as a solution.

Buteye...everyhing you say is on point. OK!!!!  Now, let's stop playing the blame  game for a few minutes and suggest what do you or Lighthouse, or anyone think would correct high premiums, high deductibles, and high loses. Let's try and have a discussion as you are always suggesting.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Goof-Care
Date:	12/30/2016 11:01:01 PM

Over half of o-BAMMIEcare insured are Medicaid slugs on free ride at taxpayers' expense.  Most of the "paying" insured only pay a small percentage of the premium due....guess who pays the rest.  Tell me Goof-care would you insure your family at  $10,000/yr with a $6,000 deductible?  Would you?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Goof-Care
Date:	12/31/2016 12:18:35 AM

I miss your point. The Medicaid folks have coverage paid by the Feds and the states. That is not the reason carriers are losing money even with big deductibles and big premiums. Tell us how to fix it and quit being a wise ass.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/31/2016 12:28:56 AM

I don't claim to have an answer or any major suggestions. But I think we all know that we were lied to time and time again to gain support for the Affordable Care Act which has proven to be unaffordable and like Pelosi said, "we have to pass it to know what's in it". Also, remember it was Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT, who was the architect of Onamacare, and said "Yeah, we lied to the STUPID American people to get it passed". He admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick." The passing of Obamacare turned over a "sixth" of the U.S. economy to the government. It took the action of the liberal Supreme Court to make sure that the CBO did not score the mandate as "taxes" or the bill would have died. How can anyone look at Obama's Presidency as favorable when we all know that what he considers his "legacy" is consumed with lies and deception and has resulted in the loss of respect for America around the world? I remember the old saying that "you can fool "some" of the people "some" of the time, but you can't fool "all" of the people "all" of the time".

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Goof-Care
Date:	12/31/2016 12:37:11 AM

Where do you think the Feds and the States get their money to fund Medicaid?

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Goof-Care
Date:	12/31/2016 12:51:28 AM

You miss my point because you are in denial.  Idiot-care is not repairable.  Believe it.  Get you head out of your a..., and acknowledge you have blindly supported a failed idiot as your president for 8 long non-productive, destructive years for America.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Wix
Date:	12/31/2016 1:41:28 AM

Poor Wix can't have an intelligant discussion. He gets all upset and likes to attack me. It doesn't work Wix.....I will be around until I decide to leave. And, I have no plans to leave. Obama like Bush was a failure in various areas. Trump will fail too...let's hope  it doesn't lead to WWW3.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	One Question for Buteye
Date:	12/31/2016 1:45:15 AM (updated 12/31/2016 1:47:26 AM)

Buteye, if you were eligible for Obamacare, had no insurance, and needed open heart surgery would Obamacare be a pretty good deal and would you sign up during the open enrollment knowing that you would have coverage for your life saving operation??

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/31/2016 1:56:58 AM

GoneFishin, I have one other thought about your request for suggestions. While my thoughts may not apply directly to the subject at hand, I will try to make a point about bringing matters to the forefront that in turn affect all of the people. Using the decision to land a man on the Moon as an example, I will try to make my point. I don't claim to be knowledgeable about any of the research and planning that had to have taken place for that amazing event, but I would think that the powers involved sought the advice from the "absolute" best sources of knowledge in the field. As we all know, that endeavor led to success beyond what most of us would have deemed impossible. While I don't think any of us are that familiar with the decisions necessary to undertake such an awesome project. I think we would all agree that that you don't seek the services of experts to come forward and use lies and deception to gain approval for a project of this magnitude. I can't imagine what the consequences would have been if this undertaking had failed. When any President or any other elected official "willingly and knowingly" uses such measures to mislead the people who have chosen him or her to represent their best interests, they have proven themselves "unfit" to hold public office.

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Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	One Question for Buteye
Date:	12/31/2016 2:30:58 AM (updated 12/31/2016 2:40:52 AM)

I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of answering your question one way or the other. You are trying to say that the use of lies and other deceptive measures by Obama and his supporters to bring insurance to everyone is "justifed". Apparently you are willing  to live by the same ideals of your beloved President "that the end justifies the means", in other words lie, cheat, and steal to get what you want. What about the billions of our tax dollars that Obama decided to send to Iran(a country that burns our flag and says death to America), in secrecy, hoping that we the people would never know. If he was so concerned with  the needs of our people without insurance, why not use those billions in support of our own people in lieu of those who "hate" us? My anger is building up more and more as I have to continue to acknowledge all the harm Obama and Hillary has caused our country. And please don't come back and tell me that it was their money and we owed it to them.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	One Question about socialism
Date:	12/31/2016 4:54:43 AM

If we are compassionate about our fellow man, we will give away free medical care.

Are you going to say no to the guy bleeding out hobbling into the emergency room?

So socialist medicine is the only solution. (smile Goofy)

I say to the ones not paying.......... you get what you pay for. 

VA type service, no insurance companies.  Uncle Sam pays.  Simple.  Cheap as possible with Trump running it.

And no lawyers allowed.  Upset?  Buy insurance and sue away.

Paying, insured people are the front-of-the-line types that get the best doctors, etc.

Same old school pre-Obama affordable system we used to have.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	One Question for Buteye
Date:	12/31/2016 9:44:50 AM

Give us one example of a human being in America, who, during your lifetime, died in the streets, or elsewhere, because he was denied healthcare.  Don't consider Veterans denied care under the wonderful gubment VA!  Sad thing is, if those vets had shown up in any of the Mexican filled ERs in the US they would have received free care immediately.

Name:	RHH -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	12/31/2016 12:44:48 PM

This shouldn't be an ongoing partisan debate between Republicans and Democrats. The affordable care act,is a good thing but was only a half step. With Republican congressional resistance this was all that could be accomplished. Unfortunately it left too much decision making to the for profit insurance companies. The ultimate solution will be a national health insurance with a basic level of health care provided.  This will be a "rationing" of health care services in effect.  The profit motive won't work in the health care industry due to many factors. Ever increasing technological advances will eventually bankrupt the economy. Wealthier people will always be allowed to go out of the system to obtain whatever services they desire.  

Wix should be left out of this discussion and any other on this site due to the ignoramous/bigotry factor.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	As should you...
Date:	12/31/2016 1:40:24 PM

......as should you for the libtard/idiot factor. There are many places where you can go and live in your utopian national Healthcare universe.  I have experienced 3rd world Sh!those Healthcare twice, you can have all my share. Sadly one of those times was in Atlanta at Grady Hospital in an emergency. I received less than basic first aid disguised as Healthcare and as soon as someone got there to get me I went to a real hospital.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	No More Questions For Buteye or Wix
Date:	12/31/2016 2:36:33 PM

As long as all you want to do it pontificate about Iran and Obama and refuse to have a discussion on Obamacare which you started, I will leave this thread to you.

Poor Wix continues to confuse basic Obamacare problems with Medicaid. Two different programs dude and you know it.

Happy New Year

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-IDIOT
Date:	12/31/2016 8:51:14 PM

If o-BAMMIEcare and Medicaid are two different things to o-BAMMIE, why does he continuously count the millions he added to Medicaid into the numbers of insured under his stupid socialist program.  If you are about to join your liberal idiot dimokrap friends in their safe place under their beds, go for it.  I certainly understand your frustration of trying to justify the stupidity of your heroes!

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	No More Questions For Buteye or Wix
Date:	1/1/2017 1:35:45 AM (updated 1/1/2017 1:41:13 AM)

Sorry that unlike you, I can't see anything of significance that Obama has contributed to our country during his eight years in office. I have often times thought that you can't really be the person you personify and are only playing the "devils" advocate, but I guess I am wrong. I don't see how you can agree that Obama's actions with Iran can in any way be beneficial to America. With that being said, I don't see much that can be gained by continuing this thread.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	No More Questions For Buteye or Wix
Date:	1/1/2017 11:32:59 AM

sure was entertaining ??##%% reading this thread !

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	No More Questions For Buteye or Wix
Date:	1/1/2017 11:34:24 AM

Netinyahu says if Iran so much as farts in israel's direction, he will send them all  to visit ALLAH

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Liberal-idiot rhh
Date:	1/1/2017 2:19:06 PM

So you are advocating that I should be ostracized.....because I call attention to liberal idiot fallacies in a manner you don't appreciate.  I do believe you claimed to be a physician in one of your posts.....if so, may I say you are the first physician who is a liberal dimokrap.  Most of the physicians in practice today are motivated by money and do not favor socialized medicine....unless they work for the VA, mental health, or salaried slugs working as employees of a hospital, doc-in-a-box, etc......Who are you employed by?

BTW, don't just troll by every two or three months and spill your krap.......stick around and defend your liberal krap....cup cake!!!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	1/2/2017 12:59:43 PM

I actually do think that we need some kind of affordable healthcare program.  Not a free program, but something with affordable deductibles, because Obamacare certainly did not provide that.  Yes, maybe you now how catastrophic coverage, but when you still have a six or seven thousand dollar deductible, the vast majority are still looking at medical bankruptsy.  One clue that Obamacare was going to be a disaster was the rollout - it was a huge mess.  And if that was your legacy program, wouldn't you think there would be more care taken to have a good rollout?  It amazes me with all the brain power in this country, that no one can come up with a better plan than that.  But I suspect what happened is (as usual) the lobbyists and the health care companies wrote it and Obama, desperate for a solution, bought into it. 

One thing that still needs to be dealt with is tort reform.  I've talked to a number of drs. who tell me that a significant number of patients are just looking for a reason to file suit - thinking that it really isn't hurting the Dr., because the personal libability insurance company will pay. And someone needs to crack down on the hospitals  for the amounts they are charging for services. My BIL was in the hospital for 2 weeks, thanks to complications of anesthesia during back surgery.  He was in surgery 11 hours, spent a week in ICU, where they did mulitiple MRIs and CAT scans, and then spent another week in a regular room.  I can't imagine what this will cost.  He is under Medicare and I believe he has a Medicare supplement. 

The other thing that needs to be fixed is a societal problem.  People with altzheimers, terminal cancer, and other end of life illnesses, being put and treated in ICU for weeks because the family can't bear to let the go.  I'm not talking about people that have a chance of being cured and surviving, but the people for whom we are just postponing the inevitable. Even when there is an advanced medical directive, hospitals defer to the wishes of the family.  You may think this sounds cold, but to my mind, it makes no sense to prolong someone's life who is so out of it and will likely pass away as soon as life support is removed.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	1/2/2017 2:08:08 PM

It goes to accountability, or rather the lack of in federal beauracracies. The same company paid tens of millions to do the Internet rollout of Obamacare with disastrous results was given millions more to "fix" it. Folks like Lois Lerner who blatantly broke the law, and ordered underlings to be complicate in her schemes are allowed to retire with no consequences and a pension she contributed nothing to.. How many of hillarys shills went before Congress and plus the fifth? The rules just be changed.

Medical malpractice is a problem nationwide Hut is not such an issue in Alabama. You don't see any medical malpractice attorneys on TV here. You see the ads for the national class action cases involving medical devices which is different. Doctors in Alabama have a pretty sweet deal because they almost all use the same insurance which has over 90% pent ration and they NEVER settle. The standard is litigate every case which makes it cost prohibitive for litigation. I'm sure some of you will disagree because you "know"  somebody who sued and got a settlement. The issue is the size of the settlements they receive and only in cases of gross negligence. Even then you can't always sue.

I was in UAB ICU after I died post-op. After a few days I was alert enough to report an R.N. who was stealing my morphine injections. I reported her to the next shift and explained how she was doing it.  It caused quite the stir amongst the staff.  Some thought I was delirious and a "crazy spoiled white boy" and should be ignored. But it turns out she was doing it to all her patients and was caught red handed on her next shift. One would think that should be an automatic law suit, but not in Alabama. She was simply reassigned to a position that didn't allow access to narcotics. I only know this because of another wonderful lady on that unit that made sure I knew.  She would have lost her job if the powers that be knew she kept in touch with me after discharge.

I could give details of a relative who went to the local ER in the midst of an obvious stroke and was transferred to another Birmingham hospital because the local Cat scan machine was down.  He was admitted straight to a room but laid there for several hours still in stroke without so much as an aspirin being administered due to the doctor forgetting to call in orders.  When I arrived several hours after the fact and raised hell did his treatment start. The doctor admitted to the entire family it was his fault. The patient never regained consciousness and died a few weeks later. We visited with the highest rated malpractice firm in the country but due to an extenuating circumstance and being in Alabama nobody would sue. The cost of litigating against the amount of recovery from an already sick older man was just too low.  Sad but true.

It is true there is a whole class of people in this country who go day to day looking for any chance to file a "suit" against anybody they can. Some think everything something bad happens it has to be somebody else's fault and somebody should have to pay. I can't tell you how many folks ask me if I was going to sue when I got the staff infection a few years ago. I would simply explain that it very well could have been me who introduced the infection while purging a drainage tube so no,  I had no intention of suing anybody.  Some told me I was crazy and should sue anyway.  I suffered for over a year and had three subsequent surgeries, but never considered suing anybody. 

I have ranted enough I guess.  I just long for days of personal responsibility and accountability of our government to the people they supposedly "seeve".

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Obama Care
Date:	1/2/2017 9:04:28 PM

Thankfully, I have not had any serious medical issues in Alabama yet.  We had a situation with my husband where I believe we could have sued and won because of total incompetence, but thankfully it was resolved by another Dr - wasn't out for money but just a solution.  My only real surgery was in VA.  I had my gall bladder removed and they could not get my oxygen level back up.  I was visited by two different anesthesiologists - one who told me that they had put me under too deep and the other who swore he did nothing wrong and I must have had an underlying lung issue. (I didn't ). So a procedure that should have been a day-stay procedure ended up with me in the hospital for a week, until the insurance company demanded that they send me home with oxygen.  I didn't sue.  For the most part, I think that Drs. are humans and certainly don't want anything to go wrong.  They are not gods, but people with specialized learning in an area of medicine which is as much an art as it is a science.