Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Trump & the "rigged election"
Date:	10/21/2016 8:17:20 AM

This post is partly para-phrased from an Editorial in this morning’s Washington Post. 

Trump spreads a contradictory message to his supporters when he says he will win the election ‘bigly’ but that the system is rigged against him by a media-banker-Democratic Party-FBI-elite alliance of conspirators.   At other times, he has claimed that Mexican nationals are pouring over the border to vote for Clinton or that dead people always vote for Democrats.

 As it turns out, he is suppressing his own vote by making these outrageous claims.

 Studies of voting patterns & the influence of political messaging show that while this rhetoric may rile up a handful of die-hard Trump supporters, the larger effect will be to suppress the vote among marginal & on-the-fence voters who would vote for Trump should they arrive at the polls.   That’s because when a marginally-engaged voter hears the message that the election results are rigged against them, they will be LESS likely to show up… because this message magnifies their belief that they are going to lose anyway.

 Lower voter turn-out by Trump supporters dooms the Trump campaign, and his message that all is lost is exactly the wrong thing to motivate people who are marginally engaged in the political process anyway.  Trump’s claim of electoral corruption is most likely to be seen as credible & convincing by his own supporters… the constituency he needs to motivate to arrive at the polls and vote.

 What it could also do is increase the likelihood of violence at some polling places.   Trump’s call for his supporters to become self-appointed poll watchers could influence some people to arrive at the polls for the purpose of “observing at close hand” to prevent suspected “illegals” from casting ballots.    In many states, there are requirements for official poll watchers who must be trained and prepared for their task… and procedures in place for removing people who might disrupt balloting.   They can, and should, take voter intimidation seriously at the polls.  

But suppose, for example, that Trump supporters also chose to exercise their 2^nd Amendment Rights and put their guns on display while glaring at non-white voters at polling stations…….

 The forced removal of untrained Trump supporters who respond to their candidate’s call to become ‘monitors’ at polling places could give the appearance of rigged elections to his minions, and add to the potential for violence if poll-disrupting Trump ‘monitors’ are ordered to back away from carrying out the ‘mission’ ordered by their candidate. 

 If you take a step back and ask yourself why Trump would push a campaign message that would suppress the turnout of exactly those people he needs to win, it brings to mind an earlier theory that Trump never wanted the Presidency in the first place… instead he wanted to increase his name recognition and the effect of his ‘brand’ on the public.   Maybe he doesn’t really want the responsibilities of the office, nor the confinements that it would bring to his lifestyle.   

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Trump & the "rigged election"
Date:	10/21/2016 9:34:55 AM (updated 10/21/2016 9:35:59 AM)

The forced removal of untrained Trump supporters who respond to their candidate’s call to become ‘monitors’ at polling places could give the appearance of rigged elections to his minions, and add to the potential for violence if poll-disrupting Trump ‘monitors’ are ordered to back away from carrying out the ‘mission’ ordered by their candidate. 

Yup but those new black panthers with night sticks - well they are just Poll watchers who were trained?

ahh but CBS was able to report and debunk the whole thing - no problem, no complaints, no fear no intimidation? the CBS article actually says/admits they were making intimidating comments.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-proof-in-new-black-panther-case-official/

New Black Panther activists who were videotaped outside a Philadelphia polling station on Election Day 2008, making intimidating remarks; one man was carrying a nightstick. 

So nights sticks are ok for Obama - and Trump monitors with or without similar devices are just bad. 

Only weapon i need at a polling place is my pen/pencil to mark Trump - because that other one is just a bad hombre.  

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Trump & the "rigged election"
Date:	10/21/2016 4:48:27 PM

Posting an article that says charges were baseless hardly seems like a defense of Trump to me... or an indictment of Obama.

Better to find one that tells us that Clinton called from the podium for her supporters to 'punch them in the face' and that she would pay the legal fees of anyone who was arrested for violence against protestors.... both things that we all witnessed Trump doing.

Clinton has not called for her supporters to go to the polls and intimidate Trump voters, nor claimed that Trump supporters were rigging the election.   

Trump is playing you guys like a fiddle.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Trump & the "rigged election"
Date:	10/21/2016 4:50:56 PM

She can't get anything but paid stooges to show up at a rally.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Copper-krap*
Date:	10/21/2016 5:04:33 PM

You are truly a pathetically unbalanced human......copy and paste.....copy and paste.....you think that volume equals impact and accuracy.....wrong!

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	No copy & paste here, Wix
Date:	10/21/2016 8:54:25 PM

That was another swing and a miss for you, Wix.   You didn't even attempt to respond to the central theme of that post.

Still counting on your guy to win bigly?   

I do have to remark on your loyalty to such an undeserving candidate though.  In spite of all evidence and reason... you are still following the Pied Piper.   

Off a cliff. 

Or are you?    I don't believe I've heard you scream that Trump is going to win this election in a while now...  are you ready to concede the election... and our bet?

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Copper-idiot
Date:	10/22/2016 4:37:51 PM

Thanks for your brevity.  Good to confirm who likes to "red flag" my comments, too.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm
Date:	10/22/2016 5:40:12 PM

Didn't notice an answer there Wixie Poo.  Too ashamed to admit your guy has dug his grave with his own words and actions and then jumped in it?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Trump & the "rigged election"
Date:	10/24/2016 10:57:55 AM

https://news.grabien.com/story.php?id=915

so Biden wanting to fight Trump in the gym?   yeah he lost a fight to his exercise equipment - 

I would say its an indictment of the system not Obama personally and the mainstream media.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Humm
Date:	10/25/2016 2:05:08 PM

http://www.lakesonline.com/Forum/show.asp?id=179843&fid=D2493503-C07E-408B-A0FF-3F590C1FBF78&tid=179830&SiteID=GA001

Love those dead voters and those voters with Alzheimers.  I know one woman who ordered an absentee ballot for her mother months after her mother died and cast it in the 2004 election and another who got and cast an absentee ballot in 2012 for her husband who had such advanced Alzheimers that he was completely unaware of his own existance much less who was running for president...they voted for Bush and Romney respectively.

no evidence of FRAUD