Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/15/2016 11:46:40 PM

Sometimes Donald even speaks other people’s minds, like when he is pretending to be someone else.  Take for instance, pretending to be John Barron.  

Some people might judge him harshly for that, but it’s OK .........because John Barron is speaking Donald Trump’s mind, too.   Let the whole episode sink in for a minute and you can begin to appreciate the level of ethical development this guy has achieved.   You might even say that when he is pretending to be someone else, at least he is still being honest. 

Truly amazing.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 9:15:31 AM

And we all wonder why it took him so long to become a Politician.  He's had good Politit principles all along.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 11:20:17 AM

Even before he achieved national prominence, Donald was in control of his "brand" and left it to himself to do his own publicity.  Surely he is not the first private citizen or political candidate who is a self promoter.  And usually behind that is a person who is deeply afraid of being overlooked or having their accomplishments overlooked.   Yes, he is a self promoter, but then so is Hilary, and dozens of other people in public life.  Unfortunately for Donald, he has always seemed to feel that even negative publicity was better than no publicity.  He wanted to be perceived as a big fish in a city where there are a lot of big fish.  You know the saying "go big or go home".   

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 4:29:22 PM

I have to disagree.   Hiring a publicist is legitimate self-promotion these days .   Pretending to be someone else, giving an interview about yourself, admitting to this in court, then denying it altogether is beyond most people's standards for honor and integrity.   It's not self-promotion, it's an incredible level of narcissism.    

Are Trump supporters really going to be able to keep forgiving him and ignoring what his behavior means?   That, to me, is the most troubling part.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	copper
Date:	5/16/2016 5:14:10 PM

If you plan to dig up minute krap like this and try to blow it up into something of significance until the election you are going to be VERY BORING.  Give us a list of the Hilda B-----'s accomplishments instead!!!!  That should be hilarious.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	yep
Date:	5/16/2016 5:18:24 PM

I'm going to make it my new hobby.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 6:38:53 PM

For some strange reason, it doesn't bother me.  It also doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't admit it in this campaign cycle.  When you think of it, who did he hurt?  Embarassing? yes Quirky? yes.  And there are tons of stories and books out there that talk about how awful Hilary was to the help when they lived in the WH, how condesending she can be, how demanding.  It is quirky, and a lot of people have quirks. 

If this is the worst we hear about either candidate before the election, it will be a gentle campaign. 

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 7:31:43 PM

you are in the company of  lots of people will see this as a needless over-reaction and fend off the criticism.  I get that.   I'm still struggling to understand it.     Donald's behavior ... his personality & his actions... scare the crap out of me.      And I'm not alone.   Conservatives AND Liberals.   Ex-State Department, Ex-Pentagon, Ex-CIA people all sounding alarms about electing a fellow like this to Commander in Chief.   

I guess I'm not an Equal Opportunity Employer after all.   As a citizen, I don't like the idea that the President has only had the life experience and background of an uber-rich real estate developer who became a reality show star.   On the Job Training will not be enough for Donald to fill that job position....and while he is doing OJT, we will be living with the results of his decisions.  

Trusting a guy like this is not a safe bet. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 7:40:06 PM (updated 5/16/2016 7:43:10 PM)

What exactly would be the required courses for your ideal President to take and pass before being elected Pres?  Did your current participant pass all those courses or are we living with OTJ?   I must say that one of the pluses for Trump is the long list of those who oppose him, both GOP and DEM!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 7:57:39 PM

So what life experience did Obama have that qualified him under your conditions?

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 8:35:36 PM

Yet you voted for imam Obama, TWICE! If the Donald was on the dim ticket you would be singing his praises. Better get used to the term president Trump.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Donald always speaks his mind
Date:	5/16/2016 9:30:59 PM

But Copperline, no one walks into the Presidency on Day 1 knowing all there is to know.  The most important thing is who they pick to advise them.   It is OJT for anyone walking in the door -even Hilary. 

You cannot predict what will happen that will need attention and decisions.  Every one goes into the job with a vision and agenda of what they want to get done. They all find out that they can't do everything they thought they could/would.  There is no one that goes into the job prepared for what will confront them.  It is impossible to have that level of economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, military experience, to know everything the first day. 

And it really doesn't matter, because the first year is all about getting your cabinet officials and other key political appointees confirmed, building relationships and figuring out what is going on.

Yes, Trump was on TV and Hilary was First Lady (where she made a real mess with the health care proposal she made).  They both have handicaps. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Well Said
Date:	5/16/2016 10:07:12 PM

Hound, your response reflects a real world, no nonsense appraisal of what either candidate who succeeds in their quest for the position and is successful will face.  For all of his bloviating DT will soon realize he doesn't have the power he did on The Apprentice.  Nor will Hillary be able to ride Bill's coat tails were she to be (God help us) elected.  We KNOW we will continue our downward spiral if Hillary is elected.  We have a prayer that DT will emerge as Reagan did to become a great president and lead us on a badly needed upward spiral.

My vote is for the latter

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	What about his temperament & judgement?
Date:	5/17/2016 10:01:42 AM

I think we ought to stick to our knitting here, Obama is not running for President and Donald Trump is.  I’m talking about the characteristics everyone traditionally has thought a President needed, traits that we historically admired and represented the high standards we all agree­ (I thought) would be important for a President to have.   Things like Integrity, mature & reasoned judgement, intellectual honesty, a sense of history and devotion to the common good.    What I think Trump’s supporters are saying is that he really has these exemplary traits they want in a President, so they are going to support him.   But his actual behavior doesn't bear this out, and his supporters seem to be engaging in a lot of wishful thinking.

The problem for me is that when I look at his behavior, I see a personality who has none of these traits we have traditionally associated with a Commander in Chief.    He’s a showman, a creature of the entertainment industry.   He is not a deep thinker, he has no experience with governing, and he always believes he is the smartest guy in the room.   He is extremely vain and has shown time and again that his vanity takes precedence over both civility and diplomacy.    In temperament, he can be extremely immature (pretending to be your own publicist so you can give interviews about your sex life and romantic adventures is a good example).   He is completely lacking in humility and insight into the dangers of his style.

I’m talking about personality & character traits here.   His behavior points to personality traits that is completely out of sync with the necessities of the Presidency.      And the idea that he is going to transform himself into a Reagan-like statesman after the election is beyond wishful thinking, it ignores the facts and all of his history.   Where is the evidence that Trump has ever listened and conformed to advice from more experienced people?

Here's a clip from a Meet The Press discussion that points to what I am talking about.

https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/10153536961401167/

Hey, it's not just a Progressive-Liberal point of view here.   Look at the opinions of all previous living Presidents, Paul Ryan & quite a few GOP members of Congress, former heads of the CIA & State Department from both parties, foreign heads of state & allies, evangelical pundits, GOP intellectuals.    We have never seen so many people in positions of experience & leadership from both sides of the political spectum who are actively trying to tell us that Trump isn't qualified for the most powerful job in the world.   The support he is getting from GOP leaders is so half-hearted & qualified that it is obvious they don't trust him.   Why do you?

You guys are betting the farm that what we see is somehow NOT what we will get.   That's not realistic.  It's dangerous.  

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	What about his temperament & judgement?
Date:	5/17/2016 10:36:51 AM (updated 5/17/2016 10:45:02 AM)

The problem for me is that when I look at his behavior, I see a personality who has none of these traits we have traditionally associated with a Commander in Chief.    He’s a showman, a creature of the entertainment industry.   He is not a deep thinker, he has no experience with governing, and he always believes he is the smartest guy in the room.   He is extremely vain and has shown time and again that his vanity takes precedence over both civility and diplomacy.    In temperament, he can be extremely immature (pretending to be your own publicist so you can give interviews about your sex life and romantic adventures is a good example).   He is completely lacking in humility and insight into the dangers of his style.

You, my friend, are knitting the wrong guy.  If that has worked so well for you in the past then you should Jump 4 Trump.  With his self assurance, bombastic, believe in myself attitude, he has some work experience, dealing, creating jobs, making some mistakes, admitting and moving on with the best plan.  Current OTJ knitting has not been a success, and that is why so many are willing to overlook so much to get the best they can.  Alternative this year is same as current except more likely to make mistakes, lead country further away from recovery, and make millions, millions for Bill and I.

Copper, I would suggest that you not vote for Trump.  But that will be ok with me, for you to do that.

As I said before, the current enemies of Trump give one reason to support him.  He will shake things up, and if you don't think that is needed then you have not been paying attention to the corrupt society known as career politicians  =  GOP and DEM

I am betting on taking the farm back.  And temperment and judgment, give me a break.  Have you seen some of the clips of Hilary going off on folks.  What about her judgment on the women that bill molested.  What about her judgment when we had guys on a roof hollering for help.  What about her email to family that we have a terrorist attack when she tells a grieving mom it was a video. What about national security risk?  What about selling US support to Foundation (I mean slush fund) donations? Shall I go on?

Alternatives stink.  Which smells worse to you?

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	What about WHITE GUILT!!
Date:	5/17/2016 10:46:44 AM

At least in this election we won't see idiots voting their white guilt.....oh, wait I guess they'll be voting their WHITE PRIVILEGE....until the dimokraps take that away, too!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	What about WHITE GUILT!!
Date:	5/17/2016 12:15:42 PM

Are you a racist?

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	What about his temperament & judgement?
Date:	5/17/2016 3:24:15 PM

I'm going to take your advice and not vote for Trump.  

All due respect, but..... Trump supporters remind me of a young girl who is about to marry the local bad boy... against all advice she  tells herself that he will become the respectable & responsible man of her dreams if she loves him long enough.   

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	What about WHITE GUILT!!
Date:	5/17/2016 3:27:01 PM

I don't understand this one, nobody is talking about race in this thead.

Besides, Trump isn't white.   He's orange.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What about his temperament & judgement?
Date:	5/17/2016 5:40:03 PM

My observation is that a lot of the traits you deem negative about Trump will likely serve him well in Washington.  He isn't the first controversial President candidate, and most of them have turned out fine. 

The ideal that you describe doesn't describe Hilary at all.  I think the reason that so many members of Congress are half-heartedly supporting him, is because they are afraid he will shake things up.  And as far as the past Presidents - Clinton's wife is his opponent, Carter is a democrat, and the Bush's are still licking their wounds from Trump kicking Jeb's butt.    But you know what?  Trump was right - Jeb was low energy. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	What about his temperament & judgement?
Date:	5/17/2016 7:13:24 PM

Written in BIG letters on the white board  "It's the Alternative, Stupid"