Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/7/2016 12:05:35 PM

I have a pontoon boat that has the blue lights under the rail on each side as well as transom under water blue lights on each tube. I have asked around and can't seem to get a consensous. I have experienced more than once, the water patrol pass close by at night and I had both sets of lights on with no problem. I have also been told by the marina's that they have had customers get tickets for the side lights being on and just heard yesterday that a customer got a ticket for the underwater transom lights. If someone actually knows the law, I would appreciate your answers to the following:

1. Can the under the rail side lights by on while underway (mounted under floor & shine down on the toons)?

2. Can the under water transom lights be on while underway?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/7/2016 1:23:34 PM

Call the Marine Police at 256-329-2268. What is the purpose of the lights shining on the tubes? As you are aware, lights at night while underway can be confusing to others. 

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/7/2016 3:09:02 PM

Thank you for the reply. They were factory installed by Harris, so my assumption would be for greater visibility. The strobes that people are adding to the back of their boat are the most distracting thing I have seen on the lake.

I will give them a call

Name:	TowBoat -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/7/2016 8:35:46 PM

This is a post from Capt. Brooks about the same question last year.  I'm not sure if their position has changed on the subject?

Name: Capt M Brooks The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member Subject: Cpt Brooks -- Under Deck Pontoon Lights Date: 4/22/2014 3:13:52 PM

I wish there was a simple answer to give you, but this new trend is not specifically addressed by current statutes other than the following: no vessel other than a law enforcement vessel may display any blue light in an oscillating, flashing or rotating pattern. Navigation lights (the red and green lights or what are commonly called bow lights) must be screened so that they are visible in a 225-degree arc (112.5 degrees on each side). The red and green navigation lights and the all-around white light (or stern light) must be visible for two miles. Over the past couple of years we have stopped vessels because the LED lights drowned out or prevented the required navigation lights from being seen. In one case the individuals had basically replaced their red and green navigation lights with red and green LED tube lights that extended along the entire length of the hull - the result being that from behind you could see all three lights, which is supposed to be what you see when a vessel is approaching you from dead ahead. Some people also thought that the LED lights (in this case blue tube lights along both sides) were a replacement for their navigation lights. I can tell you that in a congested area at night having them on when underway can create confusion. The purpose of the red and green lights are to give a vessel's direction and to indicate right of way - the LED lights are so bright that they make it difficult to do so at times. For that reason we recommend that only the required navigation lights be displayed when underway. To summarize: 1. Blue lights (or other LED lights) can be displayed while underway or while stationary as long as they don't block your regular navigation lights and don't rotate, flash or oscillate (strobing is the same as flashing in this case). 2. LED accent lighting does not relieve a vessel operator of the responsibility for displaying the required navigation lights. I look for this to be an issue that the Coast Guard will weigh in on in the near future. Unfortunately, a lot of decisions made regarding regulations and laws are done so with data provided from accidents. Hopefully, this will be preventive and not reactive in nature.

Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/7/2016 9:49:44 PM

I think the issue is the marine industry is following the requirements of generally accepted international maritime rules and the US Coast Guard rules.  These rules work fine in intercostal and offshore waters where boaters are trained, but problems arise when ignorant operators are operating boats.  If you've run boats in the intercoastal waterway at night and seen tugs with tows running spot lights looking for markers, you know there is nothing illegal with lighting on boats.  On the lake, running with lights under the deck or underwater, may look a little silly to some, but is likely not illegal.  Even running with docking lights only shows a lack of courtesy for other boaters. The use of strobe lights distinguishes a boat from home/dock lights along the bank and serves a valuable purpose, I think.  Best advice I follow....find something better to do around the lake after dark than risking you life!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/7/2016 11:06:34 PM (updated 2/7/2016 11:07:08 PM)

Big difference is that the strobes don't negatively affect night vision.  I find the boats with all the extra lights particularly problematic at night because the red, green, and white lights get lost in all the"cool" lights that folks like you want to put on your boats.  Not as much a problem as the idiots who insist on using their docking lights in the middle of the lake, but still distracting.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/8/2016 7:14:21 AM

Actually MrHodja, Its not people like me that are installing the extra lights, it is the Boat manufacturer, which in my case is Harris. This would leave one to reason that manufactuers see a demand in the additional lighting and are attempting to meet that demand.

I did also go to Harris website and look at all the options they offer. They have 40+ lines of options and not a single one of them is a seizure causing white strobe light for the rear of your boat. I totally disagree if you think those peel and stick strobes that some owners are installing is a good idea. To recap, under water transon lights and side toon lights are factory installed systems by most manufactures. Seizure inducing stick on white strobes are not avaiable from the manufacture but can added by the owner that cares nothing about the people behind them at night.

I didnt want to debate wheteher the lights are cool or not and I am certainly not worried about appearing as such. I just simply wanted to know what the law was for accesories installed on my boat by the factory. I will call the Marine Police as suggested

TowBoat - Thank YOU for the re-post from last year.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/8/2016 5:14:04 PM

What is seizure causing about a strobe?  I am curious because they don't affect my night vision, they are readily visible, and once located it is easy to determine which direction the boat is heading.  Is a seizure really a potential occurrence?  Serious question.

Name:	Broke Point -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/8/2016 7:08:11 PM

The post from Capt Brooks was excellent.  After reading here is how I feel about operating my Harris at night.

A.  I probably will not use the side blue lights on my Harris while cruising to or from a place at night.

B.  I probably will use my rear underwater lights.  Reason, I don't have a strobe but I don't want some idiot running over me like has happened with horrible results on Lake Martin and other lakes.  I don't see a problem with strobes either.  They are on most all airplanes and I don't think any pilots have crashed due to disorientation, seizures or other alleged blinding from a strobe.  I'd rather be seen as best as possible and a proper strobe is a good idea if you operate much at night.  Some anchor lights are hard to distinguish between a stationary light on the shore and a boat that is just floating in the dark.

C.  I agree dock lights are a bad thing on the lake if they are used while operating, cruising, etc., unless approaching a dock or trying to land the boat and needing light.  They have been on boats for years and mostly are used properly, except for some pontoon owners who think they are like a car headlight!  

D.  I'm really more concerned with the number of boats I see running after sunset without any lights, including some waverunners/jetskis. They need the ticket more than anyone.  And, I agree, stay off the lake at night unless you are going from or to someone's home or returning from dinner at any of the fun places on our great Lake Martin.

Great post and thanks for bringing this discussion to Light!  Can't wait to see who says what and continues the debate.

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/8/2016 9:11:54 PM

Well said, and exactly the type of common sense I was speaking about (concerning gray areas) in my post above. The one thing I dislike about underwater lights is that they come out of the water on some boats in waves/wakes and "flash" very brightly....this can be blinding and disorienting for other boaters (when I've seen it happen, it's much brighter than a strobe)....not all do this, but something to think about.

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/8/2016 9:15:30 PM

A small number of people with epilepsy have what is called photo sensitive epilepsy. Very rapid strobe lights can trigger a seizure in people with this disease. Boat strobes are typically much slower in flash pattern.....I believe anyone claiming that a boat strobe would trigger this disease is doing such for dramatic effect....statistically, there is a chance a boat strobe could trigger a seizure but the odds are extreamly slim.  One could also claim such statistices for other types of lighting and light patterns on the water  (as this thread illuminates) or even with emergency responder lighting. It's best everyone uses common sense while using their lights and be respectful of others. There are a lot of gray areas. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/8/2016 9:29:19 PM

Answer A makes a lot of sense.  If they are a distraction while under way, turn them off until you get to your destination.  I can definitely see that they would enhance the lake experience while at anchor.  However, having them illuminated while under way smacks of "look at me".

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/9/2016 7:12:10 AM (updated 2/9/2016 7:12:58 AM)

The under water lights are  commonly referred to as swimming lights. That's why they are blue, so as not to attract bugs and hence fish. They are at the rear because that is where your boarding ladder is. Running with them on has no benefit but quite possibly some decrement as McGill pointed out.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/9/2016 1:42:33 PM

I called the Marine Police as sugessted and this is the offical answer: No one on Lake Martin has received a ticket for operating their blue toon/underwater lights while underway. As long as the lights dont blink or flash and dont interfere with the red and green they are fine while underway. This includes underwater lights.

And yes I cant argue whether they serve a peurpose or not, But I like them. And shouldnt we all enjoy just ourselves while at the lake?

Sometimes cool is enough reason within itself.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/9/2016 6:00:13 PM

I did lots of cool things when I was in high school and college.  Now that I'm in the autumn of my life, I realize coolness ain't that important.  However, I most likely would not change a thing if I had it to do over.  Keep smiling, have fun and be safe.

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/10/2016 1:23:19 AM

Well, if you think your cool then you must be.....existentialism at it's finest.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Boat Lighting Law's
Date:	2/10/2016 6:59:39 AM

Ulysses McGill ----- What ??????

I never said I was cool. I said somethimes cool is reason enough. As in something that is cool or neat.

This  Lake Martin forum appears to be less about lake topics, and more about 1 or 2 bored individuals with an opnion about anything and everything.

Can't imagine why more people dont advertize in this medium.

Thank you to those whose response helped with my question. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Cool always overrides safe!
Date:	2/10/2016 8:03:55 AM

Do you start every boat ride with hey y'all watch this?

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Cool always overrides safe!
Date:	2/10/2016 1:54:25 PM

and I guess opinions only count or become valid when they're his.....

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Cool always overrides safe!
Date:	2/10/2016 4:03:33 PM

I don't understand why one would want them on when underway.  People on the boat can't see them, only others.  Suggests a "look at me" motive.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Don't do anything that's not completely necessary
Date:	2/10/2016 7:46:50 PM

MrHodja:

Your last post asking why would anyone want the underwater lights on if only those away from the boat can see them suggest a look at me.

According to the Marine police, they are not illegal to operate and to your point, others would see them. If others see them then they know your location relative to their location. That goes in the night time safety column does it not?

As a side note, people inside the boat can enjoy the blue wake from the boat at night. 

Good grief guys. One of the things I love about the lake is all the great people that we have meet and formed friendships. I think I will stick to meeting people on the water and not on a forum. 

See ya on the water, I will be the one with all the unessary blue lights on. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Don't do anything that's not completely necessary
Date:	2/10/2016 10:14:23 PM

I stand by my original post on 2/7, with the exception of the words "like you".  Selection of those two words was inappropriate since I don't know you.  Take out those two words and read the message.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Don't do anything that's not completely necessary
Date:	2/11/2016 6:33:53 AM

The issue is that all that blue light tends to drown out the navigation lights. News flash, experienced night boaters use the Navy lights on your boat to determine not only location but course (direction).

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Don't do anything that's not completely necessary
Date:	2/11/2016 7:29:33 AM

Lifer,

I am pretty sure I qualify as an experienced boater. Not only have I navigated the Lake for more than 20 years without incident, for 10+ years I did the same in the Abaco's Bahamas. If we cant get their by boat then I also have thousands of hours "navigating" & flying aircraft. I can fly you anywhere in the world and land safely with less than 1 mile visibilty and 100' ceiling. 

My point is, I am not some weekend warrior that is on the lake just driving around with no regard or understanding. Its also not hard to beileve that some aftermarket added lights done inproperly could cause the issues you speak of.

I cant imagine that large corporations like Brunswhick would design, approve, install and market additional lighting options that canceled out the effectiveness of night time navigation lights. That would open themselves up for huge liability.

This entire thread started with a simple question. What is the law? If you didnt know, which apparently you didn't then you have nothing add in terms of knowing the law only your insults about my experience and the type person you think I am. ,

My advice, if you see a moving blue object and you cant determin the direction of travel, make a 180 degree turn away and create seperation.

I personally have not had any issue with appraching vessels with blue lights and the ability to detremine their direction of travel. However as stated earlier the docking lights are an entirely different situation. I will also add that most boats that I have encountered with them on tend to be older drivers who dont even reconize that their on. 

Maybe as we get older and are not able to distinguish navigation lights or notice the docking lights on your boat activated, that one should consider they have become too experienced as a boater and get it to the dock by sun down.

Like I stated in my second post of this thread. Its not about being cool or look at me. It about enjoying something your passionate about and buying what fits your taste. If we only did things nessasary on the lake : Why would anyone buy a boat that goes faster than 20mph? 

Why would anyone care about the color of their boat? As one poster stated, the passengers cant see it so it must be look at me.

Cheers and enjoy this season on this wonderful Lake. Take joy in that fact the each boater on this lake, lives in a country that affords them the right to express their individuality in what they purchase and enjoy.

Name:	Hadenuff -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/11/2016 11:06:57 AM

Enjoy your lights, I wish I had them on my boat. I have never found them to be a problem at night. In fact I enjoy seeing them and I do think they are cool. Hope to see you on the lake this Summer, I'll be the one pointing and telling my wife how I want lights like those. If your place is in the Bluecreek area then I'm just around the corner from you. We love Lake Martin also and are so glad we moved here. 

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/11/2016 8:49:56 PM

Hadenuff,

Thanks for nice comments. Yes were are also in Blue Creek and love lake martin. We usually dont miss a weekend from April 1 until mid Oct. If you see us throw your hand up. we have an all black Harris Grand Mariner with the tower.

Cheers

Name:	Leadawg -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/11/2016 11:26:12 PM

Jealously  is the correct word for the BlUE lights on your Harris! It cracks me up how many smart _$$'s are on the forum or 

shall I say comedian  that know everything about nothing. I not going to give any advice .......... but when I want to 

know what the Law is, My Dad said ask the Law and then you'll know son!!  Lol 

BTW don't stop posting on the forum guys I get a good laugh as if I'm reading the Comic page in the daily paper!! 

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	Leadawg- You are correct Sir
Date:	2/12/2016 11:01:16 AM

Leadawg,

Yes, I think there is a couple of them on here that only look forward to next years tomato crops. I am very conservative in my everyday life and very much run under the radar. However when I am at the lake I do like the radio a little louder and do like things just simply because their fun,neat or yes even cool. My favorite saying is " it aint for everybody but it works for me" certainly apllies. 

How a question about the legality of blue accent lights got comments like "I am an unexperienced boater", "look at me" or "disregard for other boaters" and my favorite " they are not nessasary" blows me away. I think when they are not checking the tomato's they are trolling and waiting to pounce on anyone that dosen't think just like them. Oh well, its a big lake with plenty of wonderful people who enjoy all that it has to offer. And yes, some of them do it with their LEGAL blue lights on.

Do you think I should get an opinon from them about wakeboard boats?  That should really get them going............

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Invitation
Date:	2/12/2016 11:45:23 AM

Creekman, come over to the Off-Topic forum and you will really get lots of opinions on lots of subjects.  Buyer beware though, if you're skin is thin, you can easily get bruised.  

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/12/2016 7:10:23 PM (updated 2/12/2016 7:20:14 PM)

And what's with these 'mater comments?   As Billy Joel would say

"Because I am an innocent man!"

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/12/2016 7:23:49 PM

Ok, 'fess up.  You just had those blue lights installed on your deck boat and sea doo....lol

Sked to return to Alabama tomorrow evening....prolly at the lake Monday.  Yeehaw!

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/12/2016 7:27:32 PM

No, I am thinking that some blue lights all around my small deck would give the 'maters a jump start!

Maybe some strobe lights will keep the squirrels and raccons away.

Name:	btexpress -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/13/2016 3:28:26 PM

   it is funny stuff....only blue lights I'd worry about are the "flashing lights" accompanied by a "siren"

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/13/2016 6:42:44 PM

Wheww...glad you didn't say "dock"...that was a close one

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/13/2016 7:17:27 PM

Do you think blue lights would help?

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/13/2016 7:37:51 PM

BCM obviously doesnt understand how good your tomatoes are.....We need to have him over to one of our lake gatherings.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/13/2016 7:40:58 PM

A big BLT with a Parker Creek Mater and Thick Bacon on a McGill yeast roll......yeah that's the ticket.

But be sure the invitiation is to a night event so we can see the lights.  He may have to run interference for Summer Place to get home ahead of a storm!

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/13/2016 9:33:26 PM

I better not come around any of you "only whats nessasry" guys. You might start giving your opinon on my "not nessary/look at me/watch this" 350HP Outboard and the totally crazy 8 stereo speakers when 1 is all you really need, even if you need a radio at all. Then you may also find out that I buy all my gas at Marina's when I could be a toter and not pay those high gas prices that support our Marina's on the lake.

You even mentiod that I come at night. It dosent get dark in the summer until about 8:30pm and I can only imagine how ill you haters would be if I woke you up.

You A$$'s keep trolling the forum's and I'll be on the Lake burning unessary gas and playing my music a little louder than a wisper to the glow of the replusive blue lights.

For the rest of you who kindly replied, thank you for posting the actual law and the suggestion of calling the Marine Police. I appreciated the facts and not your personal opnions. This forum can be such a useful tool, but their is always a few in every crowd.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	I'm In
Date:	2/13/2016 10:49:21 PM (updated 2/13/2016 10:56:58 PM)

Come on by about 8:40   I would love to hear those 8 speakers blasting some Billy Joel or Springsteen.

We can go grab a burger at the Landing.  It's better than my mater sandwich anyway.

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/13/2016 11:54:25 PM (updated 2/14/2016 12:04:10 AM)

There are a lot of us full timers that can party with the best of them....alienate or join in, it's up to you. We didn't get to know people from one end of the lake to the other by keeping our heads in our shells. BTW, I have one of the faster toons on the lake, but a 350 is a lot of juice...maybe we'll have to race too. My landing minimums are RVR600, so I can surly hang there.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 8:33:49 AM

Ulysses E. McGiill

RVR600 is certainly very low visibilty. With the WAAS approaches now or LPV as labeled on the Jep approach plates, it's all about runway enviroment. If I get a few runway lights or the papi's, were home.

I would be glad to meet up this season and lets open them up. Win or loose that sounds like fun.

Ill bet if we met we probably get along just fine. I certainly like the partying from one end of the lake to the other.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 8:41:21 AM

Well said!

Name:	mariah1 -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 10:05:53 AM

Don't get in a race with McGill. I was going 50 and he passed me like I was standing still

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 11:24:59 AM

I didn't think we got along bad on here....my comment on lights was that there are gray areas and people should use common sense....I do admit polking you a little when you got your dander up, but thats just the forum. You got a little carried away too, but we have think skin. I sure you're a good guy.  Many of us have been on here from the beginning when registration was first required and know each other and the webmaster. We all like to have fun.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 12:07:27 PM

Ulyssis,

Sounds good. Lets meet for that race. That will be fun either way. Either I win or I see the rear end of a fast as he77 pontoon boat. Afterwards, the Landing's burgers are on me.

Name:	Little Talisi -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 1:43:05 PM

Look now, Mcgill is not a toater, unless you count those cans of jet fuel he has been hauling down here on his breaks from from flying out of ATL.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 7:32:26 PM

Jet A..... Is that why McGill's boat is so fast ???

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	No tomato sandwich for me
Date:	2/14/2016 7:43:07 PM

A man I worked with in the Pentagon back in the 70s flew first for the RAF then the Army Air Corps in WW II.  He used to tell me the two most useless things to a pilot are the air above him or her, and the runway behind them.  He also told of flying through some German mountains one night in a C-47 during some really bad weather and suddenly found himself piloting an inverted Gooney Bird!  Since he was around to tell the story he must have figured out how to right his aircraft.....

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	McGill's Fast Boat
Date:	2/14/2016 7:44:01 PM (updated 2/14/2016 7:44:31 PM)

Don't let them fool you bluecreek.  This if McGill's "fast" boat and he can't even stay on it

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	McGill's Fast Boat
Date:	2/14/2016 7:45:48 PM

ROFLMAO!!

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	ohhhhh, okay
Date:	2/14/2016 8:42:38 PM

go ahead and give away my secret weapon AND all my sailing secrets.......

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	ohhhhh, okay
Date:	2/14/2016 9:23:56 PM

I figured if McGill is passing other boats that are going 50MPH like their standing still as reported in this post, It looked more like this.

Name:	bluecreekman -	Reply
Subject:	McGill's Fast Boat
Date:	2/14/2016 9:26:57 PM

Or maybe this was him at night ???

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Wow! Go figure.
Date:	2/15/2016 7:07:40 AM

Docking lights on while under way, who'd a thunk it.

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/15/2016 9:11:14 AM

You'se guys are crazy   ...I done spewed me 'puter again!  Great thread!

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	Hey..I resemble that remark
Date:	2/15/2016 9:23:36 AM (updated 2/15/2016 9:25:46 AM)

...depends upon whether or not they are twinkling..(late reply to LNG)

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/15/2016 3:50:45 PM

Like old times Bigfoot! 

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/15/2016 6:43:00 PM

We miss seeing you Bigfoot....need to work on that this spring/summer. Hope all is well.

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	bluecreekman
Date:	2/18/2016 7:55:24 AM

Thanks, McGill...I will set that as my goal....I think all I need is just a little tweaking...maybe I'm just one tweak short of a _______(fill in the blank)

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	No, not tweaking
Date:	2/18/2016 8:04:08 AM

It's twerking that you need Bigfoot.....twerking

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	No, not tweaking
Date:	2/18/2016 12:39:50 PM

now that creates a very funny image in my brain....

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	No, not tweaking
Date:	2/18/2016 4:04:00 PM

I can twerk, baby...give me 4 beers and I can twerk...and it only gets better after that..,

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/18/2016 9:20:12 PM

I dont know why, but I gotta see that....beer is on me.

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 1:52:41 AM (updated 2/19/2016 1:54:03 AM)

It's all about the gut counterbalancing the butt all in sync with the music...followed next day by BenGay and Tylenol...

Name:	BoatsRFun -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 10:14:22 AM

I've only meet Bigfoot once...twerking NO,,,,beer YES....and did you really put butt and BenGay in the same sentence...LMBO!!!

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 3:07:57 PM

Oh no...I've been outed...yes, I think we met at the chicken auction back in the good ole days

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 3:36:42 PM

I've got 3 billy goats that I need to get rid of. Maybe its time for another gathering at the chicken auction. Will they sell goats?

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 8:10:29 PM

I only went to one back before the tornado hit and I came away with the impression that they would auction off just about anything...

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 8:23:26 PM

Twerking, with Billy Goats, at the Chicken Auction????

I think we could sell tickets to that!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 9:44:31 PM

Dang, do I have to go back to DC?  Much more entertaining here....well, at least wholesome entertainment, lol!

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/19/2016 10:06:25 PM

Yeah, get back to DC. I'm heading to Hawaii for a week. In mid March the warm weather will start rolling in and we can get the summer started. Keep practicing the twerk, BF; should be entertaining. We need to get some of the ladies on board, so you will be the Twerk chairman in charge of recruitment.....Get on it!

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	wow
Date:	2/20/2016 7:36:38 AM

Will do...but I guess I need to practice my "wholesome" twerk..not the easiest thing to do...

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Longest Thread in LM History
Date:	2/26/2016 2:42:44 PM

Don't let it die now!

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Longest Thread in LM History
Date:	2/28/2016 12:41:18 PM

I think its about to wrap around and start over......

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	Longest Thread in LM History
Date:	2/28/2016 10:07:07 PM

Oh noooo....not the dreaded wrap around!

Name:	Ulysses E. McGill -	Reply
Subject:	Longest Thread in LM History
Date:	2/29/2016 2:19:13 AM

I'm still trying to unsee the twerking vision....with or without the dreaded wrap around.

Name:	BigFoot -	Reply
Subject:	Longest Thread in LM History
Date:	2/29/2016 9:39:03 PM

..but the dreaded wrap around is key to a killer twerk...