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lotowner
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/19/2010 12:14:28 PM
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AWESOME REMINDER TO EVERY PERSON WHO CONSIDERS HIM/HERSELF AN "AMERICAN". Please take the time to read all of this.
How did Jefferson know?
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very
early in life and never stopped.
At 5, began studying under his cousins tutor.
At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.
At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
At 23, started his own law practice.
At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights
of British America" and retired from his law practice.
At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.
At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and
wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding
Patrick Henry.
At 40, served in Congress for two years.
At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated
commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and
John Adams.
At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George
Washington.
At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of
the American Philosophical Society.
At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active
head of Republican Party.
At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's
size.
At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
At 65, retired to Monticello .
At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of
Virginia and served as its first president.
At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the
Declaration of Independence along with John Adams
Thomas Jefferson knew because he-himself studied the previous failed
attempts at government.
He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature
of man. That happens to be waaay more than what most understand today.
Jefferson really knew his stuff.
A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement:"This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to g ather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
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water_watcher
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/19/2010 1:14:26 PM
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Nice recap ... the only think I can not figure out, is how did he do all this without all the government programs that exist today to help him out?
Do you mean he accomplished getting an education and making something of his life to become a great leader on his own through hard work. :)
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MAJ USA RET
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/19/2010 2:36:53 PM
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AND... he covered his personal expenses out of his own pocket (for his services up until he became president. When he died, Monticello went into hock. Then it went into disrepair.
When Thomas Jefferson died, famously on July 4, 1826, he left behind more than $100,000 in debt. His heirs were forced to sell his Monticello, the beloved and beautiful home that he had designed. As a result of Jefferson's constant money woes, the house was already decaying. Eight years later, by now in a state of almost total ruin, the house was sold to the pugnacious Commodore Uriah Phillips Levy, one of the most colorful figures in American Jewish history. Levy is famed for his successful and, at the time, controversial campaign to end corporal punishment in the navy. As one of the few Jews in the navy, he was subject to constant petty antisemitic insults that the combative Levy would never ignore. This inevitably led to fights and duels. He was court-martialed and ultimately vindicated six times
The Levy Family and Monticello, 1834-1923: Saving Thomas Jefferson's House. By Melvin I. Urofsky. Monticello: Thomas Jefferson Foundation, 2001. 256 pp.
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MartiniMan
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/19/2010 2:45:16 PM
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If you have read the Bio of John Adams by McCullough you get some sense of what he and others thought of Jefferson. His biggest problem his entire life was profligate personal spending and taking on enormous debt (for the time). Apparently he had a shopping disorder and loved clothes, furniture, art and other luxuries but never had the financial resources to pay for them.
Having said that, he was obviously a brilliant and great man and made a tremendous contribution to the formation of this great country.
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Talullahhound
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/19/2010 5:14:59 PM
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Well, a lot of people must be following the Jeffersonian model of spending more than they have. Just think Jefferson might have done with an AmEx card.
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Yankee06
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/19/2010 8:13:32 PM
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-I'm a big fan of jefferson. I know he had many faults. Overspending his means was one of them. However, the large amount of his debt at the time of his death was due to more than just self indulgence. Jefferson had inherited a lot of debt and he also assumed a lot of debt as a result of cosigning notes others eventually defaulted on. I have been unable to determine just how his debt pie should be sliced. Most scholars say his inherited and assumed debt was way more than half of his total.
-Here is a selection that kind of sums it up:
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Thomas Jefferson bore the burden of substantial monetary debt throughout his life. It was his reputation in large part that kept creditors at bay. While debt was not unusual for Virginia planters of his time, his eventually grew so ponderous that his family were forced to sell much of his property, including Monticello, after Jefferson's death. His grandson and executor of his estate, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, posted an advertisement for his estate sale, indicating that Jefferson's debts at his death amounted to $107,000. Converting this figure into a modern estimate is an inexact process at best, but it would probably be somewhere between $1,000,000 and $2,000,000.
Many factors contributed to Jefferson's indebtedness, many of them beyond his control. These are only a few reasons behind the accumulation of his debt:
-1)Jefferson inherited a great deal of debt from his father-in-law, John Wayles, when Wayles died in 1774.
-2) Although Jefferson was wealthy in land and slaves, farming proved to be an unreliable and inadequate source of income.
-3) Also, although Jefferson himself was a major creditor, payments owed to him were unreliable and inadequate as well.
-4) The financial panic that occurred in 1819 added a substantial burden onto his already-substantial debt.
-5) Also, he acquired debt from a friend in particular late in life. In 1818, Jefferson endorsed a $20,000 note for Wilson Cary Nicholas. Nicholas died in 1820, and Jefferson was forced to take on his unpaid debt.
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MartiniMan
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Thomas Jefferson
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11/21/2010 10:13:59 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I too am a big fan of TJ. Just was commenting on the thread about his debt woes in light of what I read in the Admams bio. Let's just say my view of him was tempered somewhat by what I read. As I said, he was a great man who deserves our lasting gratitude and respect for his significant role in our founding.
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