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wix
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Here it comes women
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11/16/2009 6:20:01 PM
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Looks like o-BAMA's troops are getting you ready for o-BAMA care. Check out the article below and see the BS that's on the way. Women between 40 and 50 don't need mammograms. Just die instead. It ain't worth the pain and expense. Yeah buddy.
URL: Women under 50 don't need mammograms.
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au67
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Here it comes women
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11/16/2009 7:31:51 PM
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FTA - "Yet younger women have a much higher risk of being harmed from the tests. That's not because the procedures themselves are dangerous, although they can be painful and do expose women to low levels of radiation. Instead, women are at risk from false alarms, also known as "false positives," which occur when mammograms produce suspicious findings in women who are really cancer-free. These women may experience additional pain, expense and worry because of additional scans and biopsies."
I guess the best way to avoid these 'false positives' would be to never go to a doctor or have a screening. I would think that a little pain, expense and worry would be better that not detecting cancer. But in the Obama world, if cancer is never detected and treated, think how much money could be saved to insure the illegals and other dregs of society.
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MAJ USA RET
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Here it comes women
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11/16/2009 8:17:08 PM
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I know (knew) two beautiful young women who were under forty (34 and 36) who DIED of breast cancer.
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Summer Lover
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Keep your eye on the watch
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11/17/2009 9:34:50 AM
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This is NOT healthcare rationing, this is NOT healthcare rationing, this is NOT healthcare rationing. They have to start now, so that when the big cuts come, we are already used to it. The morons in DC have been chipping away at our rights, now the limits on healthcare will begin. I am glad that my wife did not see the news last night or this morning - I am certain I will hear about it tonight....
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lamont
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Un-Freaking Believable
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11/17/2009 10:25:09 AM
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I guess I should discontinue my 3 month cancer rechecks because of the mental anguish I experience for 2 or 3 days before the exam. The mental "programming" has begun. Sadly, many will believe this BS. I'll bet everybody on this board can come up with real life breast cancer victims between the ages of 40 and 50. I can think of 4 right off the top of my head.... including my mother-in-law. This is truly sad.
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Talullahhound
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Come on Guys
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11/17/2009 11:01:25 AM
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This has nothing to do with Obama or the health care debate.
This is coming out of a consortium of medical groups. It's not the first time for new guidance for mammogram screenings. There has been considerable debate for years now about the age women should have regular mammograms and the benefit/risk analysis.
Believe me, I take close notice of these things, since I have breast cancer in my family.
This is what they are saying:
If you are under 50 and have no history of breast cancer in your family, then the risks of screening outweigh the benefits. Women under 50 generally have higher density breast tissue which means that there is a higher likihood of false positives leading to more invasive tests, with no greater rate of survival.
As women age, their breast tissue becomes less dense, and also their risk goes up, making mammograms more effective.
Yes, everyone knows some story about a woman in her 40's who got breast cancer... my own sister included. I've also known women in their 40's with false positive who were put through a needle biopsy which turned out to be nothing.
Next year, they'll change the guidelines again because medical groups and the Cancer Society can't make up their minds about mammograms.
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lamont
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I'd Rather....
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11/17/2009 11:18:14 AM
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have the needle biopsy and be sure. But that's just me. I probably have an entirely different perspective on this than most.
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Summer Lover
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Come on Guys
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11/17/2009 11:49:01 AM
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We can come up with people to sign off on anything, whether it is health, water or car related. The problem is that when we appear to have Government guidance it seems to lend more credibility to the "opinion". What is the advantage to scrapping the self-exams - I see no purpose.
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lotowner
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Come on Guys
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11/17/2009 1:56:53 PM
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And what are your medical credentials. Have you ever had breast cancer? My first wife died of breast cancer at age 55. She had her first surgery at 52. And, many instances of lumps on her breast between 40 and 50 that were not malignant.
I agree that this new direction for health care is a bunch of B%$# S*&^. My two daughter both are very sensitive to breast cancer and do get mammograms annually and do self examinations.
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Questions for you Hound. Is the United States Agency for Healthcare Quality a medical group consortium? Was there vast new data assessed by this group and if so, where did it come from and were the studies scientifically valid, published in a refereed journal? What percentage of lives saved by mammographic screening are among women age 40-49? Since the onset of regular, early mammographic screening in 1990, the death rate from breast cancer, which was unchanged for the previous 50 years has dropped what percentage?
BTW, the Deputy CMO of the American Cancer Society is on record stating that his agency will not change its guidelines despite this report.
Answers: Doubt it
No, who knows, not that I'm aware of
40%
30%
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Talullahhound
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Self Exams
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11/17/2009 2:32:59 PM
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Have long been questioned by some quarters. The basis being that by the time a woman feels the lump, it's no longer early detection. Also, if a woman has dense breast tissue, it is unlikely she will feel the lump. But, since most women do this in the privacy of their own home, those who believe it is important will likely continue to do it. I'm sure most Drs. will continue to do breast exams as part of a woman's yearly exam.
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Talullahhound
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Come on Guys
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11/17/2009 2:39:55 PM
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Both my sister and grandmother had breast cancer, so I am a prime candidate for breast cancer. That is why I pay attention to it.
I don't have medical credentials, but I have been talking with my Drs. for years now about it, as I have a lot of risk factors.
I'm sorry you lost your first wife to breast cancer. She likely had polycystic breast disease in her 40's. Some women are prone to have benign lumps. A woman like her will continue to have regular mammograms, because she would be considered in a risk group.
Remember, the changes to the guidelines are only for women who are not in a risk group.
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Talullahhound
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Come on Guys
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11/17/2009 2:53:13 PM
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My only point is that they change their minds about this every year. It's not the first time they have changed their recommendations and will likely not be the last. I'm sure it will continue to be debated.
This is nothing new. While you men wish to turn this into a political debate against Obama, women are the ones ultimately affected. I wonder if your reaction would have been the same if this had come up during the Bush Administration? In fact, I believe some changes in screening recommendations did come up in Bush's Administration.
I'm wondering if y'all had this reaction when women were told that they no longer needed complete mastectomies when they had breast cancers? Or when they decided that every women with breast cancer did not need both radiation and chemotherapy.
I'd like to know why y'all didn't get hysterical when they decided that men with prostrate cancer don't need PSA follow ups.
All of us know antedotal evidence about cancers gone wrong, early cancers, undetected cancers, etc. It's heartbreaking on a personal level.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Wow....
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11/17/2009 2:56:52 PM
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Still can't believe what I'm hearing. 3 of the 4 pre-50 breast cancer victims I know were not in the "risk" group. Thank God they requested mammograms at their annual physicals and are here today to talk about it today. My guess, colonoscopy's are next. If you don't have a relative that had colon cancer before age 60, no need for the test. Don't know about y'all but, I will insist on it. This really smells of pre-conditioning for rationed care. And I know Hound, the "Black Helicopters" are circling.... right?
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Talullahhound
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Lamont
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11/17/2009 3:10:56 PM
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I'm glad you are a cancer survivor.
Time will tell if this is the "first" step in rationed care.
Please take care of yourself.... I want you around for years so you can post "wow". And I mean that from my heart.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Lamont
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11/17/2009 3:27:41 PM
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Thanks Hound. It certainly was a wow moment for me and I am super sensitive when it comes to healthcare and especially preventative medicine. I was healthcare neutral 3 years ago, no longer.
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This particular groups last recommendation was in 2002. They advocated q 1-2 year mammograms for all women age 40-49 at that time. Are they confident enough in these new recs which were accomplished via computer simulation models to wait another 7 years before updating? I wonder if Michelle Obama will wait until she's fifty before her first mammogram. I may be wrong, but I didn't read anything about family history in the report.
Why is it that men cannot legitimately comment about this as being a precursor of rationing without being called insensitive. We can read between the lines.
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MAJ USA RET
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Okay
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11/17/2009 5:49:07 PM
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All of my wife's lumps were benign. I guess we've determined she's not in the risk group.
Will you bet your wife's life on it?
If I ignored this and I lost her...
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| Name: |
CAT BOAT
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Awe Hound....
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11/18/2009 1:45:48 PM
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That was sweet.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Awe Hound....
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11/19/2009 3:22:06 PM
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I really think Hound has a crush on me. Don't tell Feb.
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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Wanting you
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11/19/2009 5:07:09 PM
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to stay healthy is not exactly the same thing as having a crush on you.
'fraid Feb is the love of my life. Has been for over 30 years.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Hound Please....
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11/20/2009 8:15:48 AM
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Hopefully you knew I was kidding. Can't you libs at least fake a sense of humor. I know you are comitted to your hub, Feb, as I am to my wife. It was just, I guess, an ill-concieved stab at humor. Regardless, thank-you for the well wishes, I truly do appreciate them.
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| Name: |
lamont
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In addition...
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11/20/2009 8:46:52 AM
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My bride and I have been hitched for 32 years so, nananana.
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