Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Voting
Date:	5/26/2020 12:47:51 PM

How does Absentee Voting and Vote By Mail differ?   Asking for a friend

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Voting
Date:	5/26/2020 1:27:11 PM

I think the main difference is that a person has to go through a process to request an absentee ballot.  Vote by mail schemes being proposed by Democrats involves pretty much sending out ballots by mail to everyone.  That is rife with potential fraud.  Ballot harvesting is already a problem and this would be harvesting on steroids because of the sheer numbers.  And it would be inconsisent with ID laws in many states because how would you check an ID for a mail-in ballot?  Absentee ballots are for those with legitimate reasons they cannot be available to vote on the day of the election.  And with early voting there is even very little excuse for most people to want absentee ballots.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Voting
Date:	5/26/2020 1:41:33 PM

But what is the difference between absentee ballots and mail-in ballots? Really, not much.

Absentee ballots differ from mail-in ballots pretty much in name only. Both must be filled out with pen or pencil, signed and submitted in an envelope, a columnist for The Washington Post wrote.

But there are some differences. To vote absentee, a voter in 16 states has to apply and be approved if they are eligible to make their votes by mail-in ballot, giving reasons like age, being disabled or not being in the country on the stated Election Day, USA Today reported.

Five states hold universal mail-in elections, where all registered voters are mailed ballots, but can still opt to visit a polling place in person. Three other states have about two-thirds of votes being cast being done so via mail, according to USA Today.

Florida has vote by mail by requesting a ballot. No reason required.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Voting Fraud Update
Date:	5/26/2020 2:13:31 PM

The most recent example of fraud was Mark Harris senior pastor at First Baptist Church in Charlotte who resigned to run as the Republican candidate from the 9th congressional district in North Carolina. He was involved in absentee mail fraud and won the election. The election board refused to accept the results and a new election was held and the Democrat won. Harris did not run.

Martini likes to accuse Dems of voter fraud and reminds me of Alex Jones......Martini the Alex Jones of the Forum. LOL

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Au contraire-updated with another example
Date:	5/26/2020 2:18:16 PM (updated 5/26/2020 2:48:32 PM)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/election-judge-pleads-guilty-to-stuffing-ballot-boxes-during-primary-elections-for-bribes

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/michigan-city-clerk-charged-with-altering-ballots-in-2018-midterms/

So much for your "most recent" example.   

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Exactly what I stated
Date:	5/26/2020 2:20:49 PM

I said the main difference is that you have to apply for an absentee ballot versus them mass mailing ballots which is ripe for fraud.  So let's agree that both sides will cheat so let's not have mail in voting.  I am glad we agree on this issue.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Voting Fraud Update
Date:	5/26/2020 2:21:08 PM

Most stereotypes have facts behind them!   Two items:

Immediately there is the thought of "boxes of ballots found in the truck of a car", and "boxes of ballots in a mail truck"

I have a friend who argues that his military father voted by mail for 30 years.  I agrue that he voted absentee instead. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Au contraire-updated with another example
Date:	5/26/2020 3:06:42 PM

You are blinded by the truth....your conspriracy theory is that only Dems are guilty of fraud.  Sorry Dude...you got crooks that commit fraud too so suck it up. Yes, there are Dems who commit fraud, also. But, you can't acceptt he truth that you worship a party with its share of crooks.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Au contraire-updated with another example
Date:	5/26/2020 3:45:46 PM

No, what I am saying is that we should do everything we can to prevent voter fraud by either party.  Mail in ballots are rife with fraud opportunities and should be rejected.  But you claimed that yours was the latest example of voter fraud and I proved that not only were you wrong (as usual) but the two latest examples were of Democrats.  Do you have an unlimited capacity for being wrong or are you a masochist?

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Exactly what I stated
Date:	5/26/2020 4:26:54 PM

https://www.infowars.com/non-citizen-registered-to-vote-in-oregon-sent-five-ballots-by-mail/

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Exactly what I stated
Date:	5/26/2020 4:32:55 PM (updated 5/26/2020 4:34:03 PM)

What would stop a person of either side from pulling ballots from mailboxes, stealing them at the post office etc to either fill them in the way they wanted to, or to stop some from being counted that they did not want counted?

If you think the government is not without problems please google coronovirus checks mailed or direct deposited to dead people with DEC written on the checks https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/17/irs-sends-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-to-dead-people.html

If you think the post office delivers every piece of mail without a loss ( causing a loss of even one legitimate vote ) - as many around here love to say - if it causes just one person not to be able to vote, blah blah blah.

What would stop someone who legally cannot vote in a election to not fill out the ballot and mail it in themselves or using someone elses name?

If you put stacks of ballots in the post office as they used to do 1040 forms years ago, or pile them on a street corner - what would stop someone from taking one if they were not eligable, or taking 200?

What would stop someone from filling out for parents who are in nursing homes or where ballots are delivered incorrectly?  

Sorry but the more I hear about vote by mail the more I feel that the elections need to be secured more and Voter ID is the first step, not the last.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Red Herring
Date:	5/26/2020 6:11:19 PM

The controversy over mail in ballots is a red herring.  If you requested a ballot, you could go to the post office or the local voting registration office. They could validate your ID and assign your ballot a unique control number tied to your area.   You vote, sign it and mail it in.  

Yes, a small amount of voter fraud could exist, but we have that now.  There is no reason a mail in process couldn't work.  The downfall is that the election prognosticators won't be able to project a winner 5 minutes after the polls close.  There won't be any instant gratification.

I've heard a not of ridiculous arguments against it, but I see them as red herrings. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Red Herring
Date:	5/26/2020 8:00:38 PM

I thihk the problem is what I expected to be one of the differences in Absentee and current Mail In Voting (or as Dr. Pelosi now says "voting at home").  With absentee you do request a ballot, but I think what they are referring to for Mail In is ballots will just be mailed out like third class mail, or the census, or post box instructions.  

To me more than a Red Herring.  It is an open inivitation for fraud.

I am all for people being able to vote in a way they feel is virus safe.  But the obtaining of a ballot should be by means of seeing that the person is a valid voter.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	ALL YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW
Date:	5/26/2020 9:10:05 PM (updated 5/26/2020 9:11:23 PM)

Open the menu......

ALL THE INFO

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Red Herring
Date:	5/26/2020 10:06:15 PM

Which is what it would be if you had to show up at the Post office or the Registration office with your picture ID.  There is no inherent safety in having to show up at a poll.  You could have a fake ID.  Mail in ballots would eliminate the problem of intimidation at the poling places, which I've heard here, happens.  Remember "hanging chads"?

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Red Herring
Date:	5/27/2020 8:15:05 AM

I don't read or hear about this process involving showing up at Post Office with an ID.  I read and hear of Postal carriers who say they have 10 ballots to deliver to one address, with 10 different names.  The folks who used to live there.

I am all for an Absentee Ballot process, which would be like you describe.....show up with ID, get ballot.

I am not in favor of mass mailing ballots, like an ad to Piggly Wiggly (which I like very much BTW)

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Except that's not what they are proposing
Date:	5/27/2020 8:21:35 AM

What is being proposed is that a ballot be sent in the mail to every registered voter.  And it would allow for what is called "community ballot collection".  So-called "organizers" would go around and collect ballots with zero checking of ID's, zero confirmation that they didn't just go around neighborhoods, collect ballots, fill them in, put on a fake signature and mail it in.  And considering the number of people that are registered that are no longer alive or living at the address on the registration, not to mention the ease of fraud in registering to vote that is rife with opportunity for cheating.  It's one thing to register fraudulently, it is quite another to figure out how to show up at the polls to vote fraudulently without proper ID.  If you don't think that the Democrat party won't harvest ballots, which is why they are so determined to do this, then you have not been paying attention.

Here's the thing, voting should entail a bit of effort.  At least as much as buying a pack of cigarettes or alcohol.....probably as much as it takes to buy a gun.  There is already a way to mail in your vote in every single election.  All it takes is the effort of printing, signing and mailing in an absentee ballot.  There is no need for this other than to facilitate cheating.

Name:	Old Diver -	Reply
Subject:	For once I agree with the Fish (Belive it or not!)
Date:	5/27/2020 8:55:26 AM (updated 5/27/2020 8:56:50 AM)

Voter fraud has been done by both sided and I am for a public hanging for those doing it. I remember way back seeing ballot boxes locked and transported undre guard to be counted.  However it is the Democrats who have raised voter fraud to an art form. They advocate gathering ballots like raked leaves. Democratic ballots have been counted from Mickey Mouse, Clark Kent snd people whoes shirt wasn't even dry yet!

But remember this:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iba-syn&hsimp=yhs-syn&hspart=iba&p=Battle+of+Athens#id=1&vid=62c1a6f71537203b616f0022aaf2d8a2&action=click

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	That's not agreeing with him
Date:	5/27/2020 9:07:58 AM (updated 5/27/2020 9:39:00 AM)

As I stated, since he believes Republicans cheat and I believe both sides cheat we should agree that any proposal that makes cheating easier should be opposed by both of us.  But that's not his position.  He is all for mailing 150 million ballots to every registered voter that can be harvested and sent in fraudulently.  He knows that Democrats will disproportionately benefit because they, as you said so well, have taken vote cheating to a whole new level.  Just ask Alfranken's opponent.

I can assure you if this gets approved there will be massive fraud in large Democrat controlled cities where the harvesters will canvass neighborhoods gathering up ballots to fill in, sign and send.  I can guarantee you if this happens we will be seeing stories for years to come about stolen election after stolen election that has nothing to do with increased voter turnout.  And yes, some of those stolen elections will be done by Republicans....but they will be miniscule in comparison to what the Democrats do in large cities.  Voting should require effort and it should be done in a way to limit fraud.  There is a simple reason Democrats are so eager for this and why I oppose it.  If you want to vote, get off your a$$ and request an absentee ballot or get to the polls.  In most states you have three weeks to vote and can easily get registered and get an absentee ballot.  Mailing them to every registered voter is a recipe for fraud on a massive scale.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Voter fraud in Alabama...facts only
Date:	5/27/2020 9:32:55 AM

For those of you red herring proponents, the Alabama Sec of State was on cnnBS and informed the host that in his five years as SOS there have been six convictions for voter fraud, five people sent to prison and two elections overturned.  As he said, make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.....mail in ballots are in the easy to cheat category.  

But hey, let's make it easier to cheat, right?  No voter fraud, right?  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Red Herring
Date:	5/27/2020 10:16:48 AM

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=All&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24489

That is one hellva red herring.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Don't confuse them with facts
Date:	5/27/2020 10:48:01 AM

They think its a red herring.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And yet I still oppose it
Date:	5/27/2020 12:19:20 PM

I could care less about who it helps or harms.  I care only about fraud.  And it increases the potential for fraud.  I am consistent......you are all over the place defending the indefensible.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	And yet I still oppose it
Date:	5/27/2020 12:47:05 PM

Same, Fraud is fraud - dont care who did it, unlike GFY who thinks only Rs do fraud ( or that they are the only ones worth reporting )