Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This????
Date:	7/14/2022 7:36:45 PM

Jim Bopp, the general counsel for the anti-abortion group National Right to Life, believes that the 10-year-old rape victim who traveled from Ohio to Indiana for an abortion should have had to carry the baby to term.

Many conservatives claims the story was a hoax until the alleged rapist was arrested on Tuesday. Bopp, who crafted model legislation for states to adopt when Roe was overturned, told Politico that such legislation doesn’t allow rape victims to get abortions.

“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” he said.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This????
Date:	7/14/2022 8:05:53 PM

I have a problem with it. All of it - someone raping a 10 year old, the 10 year old getting pregnant and she would be somehow expected to bear the child - when she is nothing but a child herself.  even thinking she should be denied an abortion is a crime.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This????
Date:	7/14/2022 9:49:18 PM

You and GF might need to wait until the fog of this story lifts!

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This????
Date:	7/14/2022 10:08:39 PM

I truly get the argument about this and am very conflicted.  On the one hand, asking a 10-year old girl to carry a baby to term as a result of a rape by an illegal alien seems incredibly insensitive and potentially life threatening.  On the other hand, regardless of the source of conception, it is a baby infused with a soul by God who deserves to live and have an opportunity for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness like the rest of us.  My personal view is that cases like these need to be left to parents and the child to decide what is the best course of action.  And that is exactly what Ohio law says.......she could have gotten a legal abortion in Ohio given the circumstances but chose to go to Indiana.  Frankly, every doctor involved in this case had a legal obligation to report the rape and didn't...and for that they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  It is a horrific crime and the perp (who never should ahve been in the country in the first place) should spend the rest of his life in prison.

As for the snide comments about the initial reaction.....let us review.  The claim was made by a pro-abortion activist doctor who refused to provide any details or follow up.  Initially it was believed, reasonably so, that this was because it was fabricated.  But the reality is that the reason for the lack of corroboration or confirmation is that every doctor in this case committed a crime and did not want to be charged.  So they went silent.  Which fueled the speculation about it being false.....and rightly so.

So this whole episode is a case study in media bias to support a narrative, lies and crimes.  She could have gotten an abortion in Ohio given the circumstances.  The doctors that hid the rape committed a crime.  And the baby that was killed was completely innocent and suffered the consequences of the abhorrent behavior of the criminal illegal alien.  So no Goofy, the dunk you are thinking you are making was a complete swing and miss.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-ABORTION-LOVER
Date:	7/14/2022 10:40:34 PM

Just think of how many potential dimokrap voters were murdered via dimokrap abortion in the past 50 years.  Geez….we might already be a communist nation, if ya’ll hadn’t kilt dem dimokraps!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This????
Date:	7/14/2022 10:58:33 PM (updated 7/14/2022 11:08:35 PM)

The post was not about the history of this rape and abortion.It is not about the trip from Ohio to Indiana.  It was about the statements that the kid should carry the baby and understand the benefit of having the child...The kid is 10....I don't  think the kid should have a choice as it is  the parent's decision. Would it be any different if the 10 year old gave her consent? 

"Jim Bopp, the general counsel for the anti-abortion group National Right to Life, believes that the 10-year-old rape victim who traveled from Ohio to Indiana for an abortion should have had to carry the baby to term.

“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” he said.

Forget the alien part...does it really matter if it were a neighbor, her father, or brother? The kid is 10 years old........probably 4th grade and pregnant.

MM, I ask the question...Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This???? Stay on message. Forget the alien part...should a 10 year old carry the baby to term hoping that she understands the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child.

"If we changed hearts and minds and we could agree that abortion should be rare and not used as a post-coital form of birth control most of us on the pro-life side could accept that."  Would this not fall within that rare situation?

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Every man standing - has a stone
Date:	7/15/2022 8:16:46 AM

ALL OF YOU !

The prevalent view of conservatives, whether they vocalize it or not, is that:

a) Abortion is murder of an unborn child

b) Abortion is not going to go away regardless of any law

c) Abortion should be limited to cases of incest, rape, or to preserve the health of the mother (especially a pre-teen girl).

d) The number of weeks established as an acceptable limit for abortion is morally irrelevant. But, laws written by men (or women) require specificity.

The entire case of the 10 year old mother should have been handled outside of the public (media) eye. Whoever exposed this horrific topic to the light is an ass. Those who mount it and whip it into a frenzy… are also asses. Now that it is out of the box, let every creep… man or woman… thump their chest and proclaim how virtuous they are.

It is a stretch of imagination and conclusion to even debate such emotional and physical pain.

God weeps for the child and the child within.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	My problem is with how you deceptively framed this
Date:	7/15/2022 9:51:13 AM

I know you want me to forget all the inconvenient and important issues surrounding this adf fixate on what someone said about it.   His views are solidly pro-life and focused on saving the life of the baby.  I would certainly not condemn her and her family for deciding to seek an abortion, especially if doctors believe she would not be medically able to give birth or the trauma of carrying the child to term would be too great.  But neither did he.  Your selective editing and use of quotes was deceptive to say the least. He said the hypothetical "would" as opposed to your quoting the author of the story who used the word "should".  You see Goofy words have meaning and yours and the article were deceptive. You turned something the man hoped would be the case into him saying it should be the case.

Yes, a 10-year old girl may be capable of carrying a baby to term and in the case of rape the National Right to Life organization, as I demonstrate below, takes that into account.  Here is how the article ended which you deceptively left out because you are trying to gin up outrage where none should exist:

Bopp’s model legislation notes that some states may need to carve out exceptions for rape or incest which Bopp said described (sic) as “a pro-life position, but it’s not our ideal position.”

That's right, exceptions for rape and incest are indeed a pro-life position but not an ideal position as we WOULD HOPE (I put in caps so you can't mischaracterize it) that woman subjected to those circumstances would understand that despite the awful reason for the pregnancy it is still a baby with a soul, has value and should not receive the death penalty because their biological father committed a rape.  But we also recognize the trauma and other consequences from this situation (as in the case of the girl being 10 years old) that she and her parents may in good conscience decide to seek an abortion.....not ideal, but understandable. 

So my question to you is would you accept that position?  I am guessing not.  You probably think using abortion as a form of birth control is perfectly fine and think you are dunking on us with this extremely rare kind of situation.  You simply don't get it....if the pro-abortion crowd would limit abortion to these kind of cases there would be a huge cry of relief in the pro-life community.  But there views are extreme and amount to infanticide and that is why the struggle continues.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	My problem is with how you deceptively framed this
Date:	7/15/2022 1:53:21 PM

Well said.  The Lefties want to provide the most extreme case to say "Gotcha".  There is not doubt that abortion is the removal of a human being.  Maybe the technology did not show that in the days of Roe, but now the pictures don't lie.  That removal should not happen just because it is convenient for somewhere.  Now in extreme circumstances good folk have to make an tough, educated decision.

They need to answer the question "In your opinion is abortion an acceptable means of birth control?"

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Am I The Only One Who Has A problem With This????
Date:	7/15/2022 1:54:06 PM

GF, what is your stance on abortion?  When do you think life starts?

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Every man standing - has a stone
Date:	7/15/2022 1:54:49 PM

Major, that is a MAJOR statement.   I agree

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Well LnG
Date:	7/17/2022 3:13:26 PM (updated 7/17/2022 3:23:01 PM)

One might reasonably point out it is the reality of the "gotcha" extreme examples that prove the need for exceptions in even the most anti-abortion states...Alabama for example!

Yes, in my opinion abortion is an acceptable means of birth control in cases of rape, incest and to preserve the life or health of the woman.  Well over 70% including the devoutly religious people not living in close proximity to Lake Martin share my opinion!

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Well then
Date:	7/17/2022 6:59:35 PM

So you agree that these are the only times abortion is OK?

Yes, in my opinion abortion is an acceptable means of birth control in cases of rape, incest and to preserve the life or health of the woman