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architect
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 8:43:03 AM (updated 7/9/2013 8:44:53 AM)
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In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's Voting Rights Act decision, the U.S. Conference Of Catholic Bishops has urged the Congress to quickly pass new national standards legislation guaranteeing equal, unencumbered and easy access to the voter rolls and the voting booth for all qualified citizens.....bu bu but what about state's rights?
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lakngulf
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 10:24:48 AM
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Will be administered by Black Panthers. Should be ok.
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Council Roc Doc
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 12:51:07 PM
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Archie, not quite sure where you got your interpretation from, but the gist of the statement was that all voters should be offered the opportunity to participate in political life, including voting, which is a right and moral obligation, utilizing MODERN and effective measures. Nothing stated would interfere with states rights. The supremes struck down the old formula utilized in determining which municipalities were required to obtain federal approval before instituting voting changes because it was outdated. I don't see your point......
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architect
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 5:44:26 PM
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I'm not making a point...I am asking a devout Catholic where he stands on the recommendations of the episcopal leadership of his church. They want a national statute which many will see as disrespectful of state's rights.
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comrade
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 6:36:30 PM
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Do you think Congress will pay any attention to the US Conference of Catholic Bishops? (by the way - Catholic and Episcopal really are different.)
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GoneFishin
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 7:11:46 PM
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For the record...........The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) called on Congress Monday to quickly pass legislation protecting voting rights in the wake of the Supreme Court's recent decision that gutted a centerpiece of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
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comrade
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 7:20:50 PM
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GF - I need a report on which voting rights they want protected
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GoneFishin
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/9/2013 7:49:52 PM
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Please share the report when you obtain it. My post was simply to show the Episcopals have nothing to do with the Catholic Bishops request.
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comrade
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7/9/2013 8:53:17 PM
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It's almost like you think there are 2 definitions for "episcopal."
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MartiniMan
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Living rent free in your mind
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7/9/2013 11:56:08 PM (updated 7/10/2013 12:02:23 AM)
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Here's the deal Archie just so you understand how the Catholic Church works. On matters not involving issues of faith and morals the Church recognizes that Catholics can in good conscience disagree with the Bishops or priests and even the Holy Father. They are not a monolith and the USCCB often expresses their opinion on issues that not all Bishops or priests agree, voting rights being just one of many.
So I can and do disagree with Bishops on a number of issues as do a great many faithful, orthodox, practicing Catholics. In this case I think we agree that all eligible voters should be allowed to do so and only once (which of course would be a huge blow to the Democrat party). But that doesn't mean we will agree on what constitutes access to voting and I have no problem with my belief that a person should be an eligible voter and be ready to demonstrate they are who they are. I doubt the Bishops would disagree with me but if some do, so be it.
However, the Bishops, the Cardinals, the Holy Father and I are in 100% agreement on all issues of faith and morals, voting rights not being one of them....not even close. So for example, your views on abortion constitute a grave moral evil and the Church teaches that your very soul is at risk because of the intrinsic evil you support with your words, your votes and most likely your money. So now if the Bishops are all of the sudden in agreement with you on an issue that doesn't even involve faith and morals, I assume you must now agree with them on everything and you condemn yourself. You can pick and choose what you agree with them on many things, but faith and morals is not one of them.
Archie, I would have thought by now you would have learned not to go down these kind of roads with me but it seems you have an unlimited ability to say the wrong things at the wrong time. Such is the existence of the left wing nuts. Any grammatical errors your wife wants to check? Because she needs to read this post if she too shares your beliefs.
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MartiniMan
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/10/2013 12:06:37 AM
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I think he was using the lower case term episcopal which I took to be the Bishops as a whole as opposed to each individual one. He was not referring to the Episcopal Church per se. I get his meaning and I answered his question below.
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comrade
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/10/2013 5:54:50 AM
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yes
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Council Roc Doc
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So...where do you stand MM
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7/10/2013 11:40:49 AM
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The USCCB has historically inserted its opinion into political issues but I would not consider them speaking on behalf of the authority of the church. We already have laws on the books that defend a citizens right to vote, but don't need 1960's formulas that define the Department of Justice's involvement in select southern tier states voting guidelines. Heck, you can say you are me in New York state and vote without showing any sort of ID. What is it about the ID that works up liberals like yourself when it comes to voting?
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MartiniMan
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Answer? They can't cheat
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7/11/2013 10:57:43 PM
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That's what they fear the most. Actually having to rely on their usual electorate to vote like the rest of us. When that happens they lose.......
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