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lotowner
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 7:30:00 AM
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Julian Assange, TIME's Person of the Year, 2010. This magazine is a disgrace. Based on its current criteria, candidates from the past such as Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Ze Tung might be given this award.
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muddauber
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 8:14:05 AM
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Time's award is not for the best or greatest, etc. person. Simply the one who influenced world events the most for that year. I don't have a problem with their selection. Should have seen the extra security they needed when they selected Khomeini. That one stirred up emotions.
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architect
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 9:53:39 AM
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I try not to let the stupid ravings on this forum get my blood pressure up, ...but, Lotowner, as usual, you've popped off without having even the slightest idea what you are talking about. Had you Googled Time's "Man of the Year" from the past, you would have found Hitler and Stalin on the list. I believe Mao also made it in the late 40's or early 50's. Do you ever think before you speak. Your only rival is WW!!!
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lotowner
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 10:28:56 AM
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Hey Genius
As usual, you do not know what the intent of my posting was. Yes,I was aware of Hitler in 1938 and Stalin in 1939 and 1942. If you would think with your head and not your butt, your thoughts might be respected on this forum.
The people that I listed were mass murders. Hitler was selected prior to the Holocaust. Stalin, during the war. Khomeni was not a mass murderer, just an Islamic nut. This guy in 2010 endangered many lives. Is he one of your heroes?
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MartiniMan
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Archie drive-by insult once again
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12/14/2010 10:30:26 AM
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Hey Archie, if this forum gets your blood pressure up then maybe you should stop reading. As for your point about Hitler and Stalin, you are again wrong in your analogy but why should anyone be surprised.
Hitler was Time's Man of the Year in 1938. Germany didn't invade Poland until September 1939, only then did France declare war. Until then, Hitler was seen as a ruthless leader of Germany and was named man of the year because he and others (Mussolini, etc.) essentially redrew the map of Europe as well as other negative accomplishments but does anyone actually believe he would be Man of the Year for the final solution or the war in Europe? Well, actually the answer is no as is evidenced b the list. Stalin was Man of the Year in 1939 and 1942, both at a time when Russia was our ally. Did Stalin make Man of the Year after we learned of the millions of people that died in the gulags? Of course not! Neither Mao, Pol Pot nor any of the others LT mentioned have ever been Time's Man of the Year.
So his point is in my view reasonably valid as he mentions these people not in the historical context of when they were named but as we know them today. And your post is as usual almost completely wrong and to quote you, "Do you ever think before you speak?". Thanks for driving by and now you can crawl back into your hole and wait for the opportunity to drive by again.........
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lotowner
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 10:32:54 AM
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By the way, Genius - Mao never made the Time's list.
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GoneFishin
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 11:21:12 AM
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The initial post by Lotowner was dead wrong. Both Hitler and Stalin were on the list. To try and refute Archie by "well they were good guys when they won" is a lame excuse. The fact is both Hitler and Stalin won. Period. Now if you said Palin never made the list...that would be true.
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MartiniMan
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 11:22:08 AM
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By the way, I think we need an emoticon for dripping sarcasm when you call Archie "Genius". :-) What to me is telling is he goes to the effort of googling something to try and prove a point but then puts his brain in neutral and doesn't actually think it through. If I were predisposed that way I would be a high blood pressure drive by poster as well. That's where GF differs from Archie in a major way and why I enjoy sparring with him and occasionally agreeing with him.
By the way, the only credit I give for his critique of the post is the comparison, while accurate in its sense, Assange is actually a piker when it comes to people losing their lives unlike the folks that you mention. But there is still time for him to rise to their level......or sink to it as the case may be. Given his apparent sexual deviancy he at least has that in common with many of those you listed.
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MartiniMan
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And to think I just complimented you, sort of
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12/14/2010 11:29:46 AM
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GF, then I suppose what you are both saying is that if he had not included Hitler and Stalin in his post he would still be "dead wrong"? Uh, I think not and while his analogy was partially inaccurate (although not from the perspective of today) his point is very accurate.
Time Magazine, as evidenced by its ever declining revenues, is a disgrace in so many ways. Using their criteria, I am surprised they didn't name OBL Man of the Year in 2001. I bet they regretted that oversight in hindsight but back then they even had a shred of decency......just a shred and I bet they really debated that one before taking the safe path and picking Rudy.....
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lotowner
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GF Facinated by Palin
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12/14/2010 1:53:18 PM
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I really think that GF is a closet fan of Sarah Palin. Whatever the subject, GF interjects Palin into the discussion. Strange!!
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lotowner
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 1:58:09 PM
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Archytect
Based on your extensive Googling skills, is Mao on the list in the 40s or 50s or did you dream this?
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architect
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Three quick comments
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12/14/2010 2:31:20 PM
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1/ I did not say Mao WAS Time MoY, I said I THOUGHT he might have been.
2/ The Time "Person of the Year" is not and has never been an "award". It is a "recognition". As in 1938 "recognizing" Hitler for what he had accomplished, good or bad. Are you able to grasp the difference Lotowner?
3/ Being insulted by Lotowner and MM makes my day. Now if only the 3d stooge, WW will weigh in!!
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GoneFishin
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WHO DO YOU THINK S/B TIME PERSON 2010
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12/14/2010 3:30:40 PM
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The process is for the public to vote and then the editors of Time decide. Who do you think the Time Person for 2010 should be? Remember, it the person who for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year. At one time it was Man of The Year.....
I would vote for Assange. Doesn't mean I support any of his actions. Nor, do I support Michael Moore bailing him out of prison.
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MartiniMan
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Ah, more insults...so true to form
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12/14/2010 3:37:12 PM
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So now we are stooges. Hmmm.....you start a post by insulting LT and then you profess to get a thrill out of our response. Archie, if intelligent, successful people pointing out your personality defects makes your day then I can certainly understand why the forum increases your blood pressure. For your health and safety I highly recommend you seek some counseling because pursuing this kind of interaction is not a good thing.
Fact is you stated you thought Mao was Time's Man of the Year and you were wrong. Now maybe what you meant to say is that you wish Mao, a personal hero of leftists like you, should have been Man of the Year. I mean after all every leftist really wants the ability to use fear and force to make their utopian dreams come true. Its why y'all love folks like Mao, Stalin, Castro and Hugo Chavez.
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MartiniMan
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The Tea Party would have been a much better choice
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12/14/2010 3:52:40 PM
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Now GF this is why I enjoy you being on the forum. That is a very interesting question. I would not have voted for him and probably would have voted for the Tea Party because it has been a grass roots effort in response to the leftist agenda of Obama/Reid/Pelosi and has facilitated the ascent of the GOP which will continue into 2012 and beyond. And quite frankly this is an international phenomenon with the hard choices being made in Europe while they attempt to unwind their socialist fantasies at great internal angst and public protest.
And by the way, there is precedence for Time to name a group of people as Man of the Year.......Archie, by all means please google away and you will see I am right.
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GoneFishin
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Ah, more insults...so true to form
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12/14/2010 7:25:17 PM
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Assange 1
Tea Party 1
Palin 0
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architect
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Ah, more insults...so true to form
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12/14/2010 7:35:49 PM
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MM, The more you talk the more you confirm that you are a plu perfect jerk. What is this about me needing to google to make myself aware that Time has named groups as "Whatever of the year". Please point out where I commented one way or the other concerning the "Rules" of Time's consideration. I think a few years ago "You" (meaning the American People, not "you" MM) was their selection.
Now, you are correct, I did say "I think" Mao may have once been their choice. Do you, great superior one, speak English? Do you know that "I remember" or "I'm sure" or "it is a certain fact" or "Mao got the nod in 1949" does not mean the same thing as "I think"????
Now notice above, I said "I think" that Time once chose "you" to receive the recognition. Now, go ahead and belittle me again, I'll sleep like a baby!
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architect
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Correction
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12/14/2010 7:47:21 PM
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I said "I believe" not "I think" but the rest of the post stands.
BTW Lotowner, have you ever inquired of an Iranian expat now in the US, UK or France or of any of the brave dissidents still in Iran, whether they agree with you that Khomeni is not a mass murderer? I guess it depends on youe definition of "mass".
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GoneFishin
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Hey Archie
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12/14/2010 8:23:18 PM
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I enjoy reading your jokes under the Jokes topic. And, nice to read your postings on Off Topic as you continue to set the wing nuts straight whenever your busy schedule permits. I sense Palin enjoys your ability to see through the unsupported posts from the right. A great example is Martini defending Lotowner that Hitler and Stalin sort of were named Time Man of The Year. It is not rocket science but rather as Bush would say, it is or it isn't.
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comrade
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WHO DO YOU THINK S/B TIME PERSON 2010
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12/14/2010 9:33:48 PM
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With that criteria, I would think a card carrying progressively thinking liberal would declare George Bush the Man (person, thing, concept, etc) of the year for the last 10 years.............
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MartiniMan
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Even more childish insults
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12/14/2010 10:54:38 PM
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Archie, I must be getting under your thin skin as you have now devolved from stooges to jerk. Methinks you just can't handle the truth about your drive by insults and nonsensical posts which is OK. We are used to your liberal, left wing nut rants and raves. So what's next, you going to call me something worse? I know, I'm a meanie.
Archie, you could have made a much better point if you acknowledged LT's perspective while informing him of his minor errors without being petty and insulting him. You could have made the case why Assuange was a good choice for Man of the Year like GF. But you are such a bitter, unhappy person that instead you just have to be mean and nasty and call people names. It is pretty sad but all too typical for you which is why you aren't missed when you aren't driving by......
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MartiniMan
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GF, you are obsessed
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12/14/2010 11:07:16 PM
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You have an abnormal fascination with Sarah Palin. C'mon and admit it, she is hot and when she shoots and dresses out a caribou it makes you all weak kneed, doesn't it? What I think you are missing is she is just one of many conservatives on the national scene. You are way more obsessed with her than any of us.....
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Talullahhound
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010
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12/14/2010 11:27:45 PM
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I'm not sure he should be Time's Person of the Year, even given their criteria.
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Talullahhound
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It's Actually Zuckerman
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12/15/2010 7:54:12 AM
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The founder of Facebook. Where did you get the information it was the other guy?
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lotowner
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It's Actually Zuckerman
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12/15/2010 9:32:57 AM
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From the internet - copied and pasted.
This is the most current.
The announcement will come as a shock to many who were expecting wikileaks founder Julian Assange to take the title.
The magazine awards the title to whoever ‘for better or worse…has done the most to influence the events of the year.’
Earlier in the week it had been reported that Assange was the readers’ choice to win the 2010 poll. Although the overall title is chosen by the magazine’s editors the readers’ poll usually heavily influences their decision.
Instead, Assange was awarded a place as a runner-up along with The Tea Party, The Chilean Miners and Afghan president Hamid Karzai.
Time managing editor Richard Stengal made the announcement live on the TODAY show, saying: “[Facebook] is transforming the way we live our lives day every day. It’s social engineering, changing the way we relate to each other.”
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lotowner
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It's Actually Zuckerman
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12/15/2010 9:38:16 AM
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Rumor Of Time Magazine Dumping Assange Gaining Traction On The Internet
It started on Twitter, and then it got a life of its own. The true definition of an Internet meme. Time Magazine, like Amazon, Visa and the Swiss post office, has dropped Julian AssangeJulian Assange. Word had it that although he was way ahead his name was being dropped from the list of candidates.
Well, if it is true someone needs to tell Time Magazine. Because at 7 p.m. EST on Tuesday I was still able to cast a vote for him as my man of the year. And he was still ahead.
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MrHodja
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010 - Zuckerberg
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12/15/2010 1:55:42 PM
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See http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9201279/Facebook_s_Zuckerberg_is_Time_s_Person_of_the_Year
URL: Time Person of the Year
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GoneFishin
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TIME's Person of the Year, 2010 - Zuckerberg
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12/15/2010 2:31:00 PM
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The public votes but the Editor of Time actually does the selection. So much for the vote and Lotowner. Taking postings from Twitter are just one person's view. That is all you are cutting and pasting. Would be like me cutting and pasting your post as gospel. It is just your opinion. That is why you need to cite your source so one can believe what you posted. Too easy to post a myth as the truth.
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Talullahhound
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It's Actually Zuckerman
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12/15/2010 5:00:19 PM
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It would be interesting to know the back story on that one, if there is one.
It's been very interesting to me, the number of my friends who think Assange is doing the right thing, and it has made me wonder how well I really know some of them. To me, he is just a spoiled brat who thinks he is getting away with something. The fact that he is Australian, not even an American, just further confirms my opinion.
I'm glad Zuckerman was named. Not so much for Facebook (although I am a user), but for the good he is doing with his wealth. He's only 26 and has agreed to donate a good portion of his wealth to charity. And, he is doing it in the US, not in Africa.
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GoneFishin
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Hey Hobbbieeee Boy
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12/15/2010 5:17:23 PM
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I am proud that you take the time from an obvious busy schedule to read and digest my posts. However, you are an atypical right wing nut who believes that lotowner can post myths and they are justified based on what you preceive my posts to be.
You may not agree with my postion but I post the truth.
Cheers for the holidays.
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GoneFishin
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Hey Hob Knob
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12/15/2010 5:53:18 PM
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All I said was "I believe". Prove that I am wrong. You may not like the message or messenger but it is not a Cut and Paste. Mearly, my astute opinion and belief.
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lotowner
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Hey Hobbbieeee Boy
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12/15/2010 6:07:16 PM
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Hey GF
Why would you post 6 times on something that you now perceive to be a myth? And, please tell me what a myth is so that I can pass this on to Drudge..
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