Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Died suddenly
Date:	1/8/2023 12:39:58 PM

Is just so sad and I read everyday more and more people, especially athletes!  And the elephant in the room took over 1000 athletes last year which matches the numer lost in the last 40 years.  Hamlin is one lucky man by having responders to save him.  Prayers certainly helped!  Myocarditis is a new term we all need to learn.  Remember the Dr Zelenko protocol works for all viruses (colds and flu)

when will all this insanity end?!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Died suddenly
Date:	1/8/2023 3:56:12 PM

Yes, he was very lucky that someone was trained in CPR and immediately started chest compressions.  What I found inspiring was the number of prayers and positive thoughts headed his way, even from people that don't follow the NFL or his team.  The reaction of the teams when he collapsed was heartbreaking.  I'm sure it was a trauma that any of them will forget any time soon.  Also, people reached out to the player that hit him to let him know that he was loved too and it wasn't his fault.  It made me feel better about humanity than anything else in a long time.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/9/2023 9:04:04 AM (updated 1/9/2023 9:58:48 AM)

Excess deaths not attributable to COVID infections have skyrocketed all over the world....well except in places that are not heavily vaxxed.  2022 was a statistically impossible outlier for excess deaths......by that I mean that it can not be explained as just a higher year within the statistically normal range.  It was an outlier in a very large way.

While I am only 63, I can never recall a time when so many healthy young people, including athletes, are having cardiac events and many are dying.  It has gotten to the point where I now personally know more young people that have died unexpectedly from a heart issue than people of all ages that died from COVID.

Read the attached as it is scary.

CDC Finally Releases VAERS Safety Monitoring Analyses For COVID Vaccines | ZeroHedge

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Died suddenly
Date:	1/9/2023 9:48:24 AM

interesting that all players coaches kneeled and prayed on the field but when tebow did it--well you know the rest of the story

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/9/2023 8:17:31 PM

From what I read, this had nothing to do with a COVID vaccine - the explanation is that, while rare, when the tackler hit him square in the chest, it stopped his heart. It's a freak thing.  But he is now out of the ICU and in a hospital back home.  I guess that are still monitoring him to assess any permanent damage to his heart muscle.  He is just a very lucky young man.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/9/2023 8:48:10 PM

Not true in this instance and most instances.  Look for the opinion of Dr Peter McCullough internationally and most published cardiologist who indicated that blow to the heart that you are thinking about usually occurs in baseball.  He believes this is a clear case from the vaccine but please look it up.  he calls for the immediate removal of the vaccine.

he thinks this is medical murder.  I saw a report of the sudden death of a 18 year MMA champion today and dozens of other sudden deaths including a 6 year.  

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/10/2023 9:32:53 AM

I have read that Mr. Hamlin suffered two seperate cardiac arrest events.  The first occured immediately after the tackle when he collapsed on the field and the second occured after he arrived by ambulance at UC Medical Center.  While I am no medical expert, it would seem that if what I read is accurate, the sudden impact to the chest might explain the first cardiac event but I don't see how it would cause the second event, after he had already been resuscitated on the field.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/10/2023 11:28:56 AM

Yeah, that's one possible theory but it has a number of problems.  First, this is a very rare phenomenon almost always relegated to baseball and hockey where a small hard object hits the exact right spot in the chest during a specific 2 or 3 millisecond timeframe during a heart muscle movement.  In football the player has pads over the chest area that spreads any blow to the chest.  Lots of other issues that have been outlined by cardiologists about why while this is a possible explanation, it is highly unlikely....as in close to zero probablility.  But it is the best alternative to the most logical explanation with high rates of myocarditis/periocarditis seen as a result of the vaccines.  I think what we are seeing here is a combination of confirmation bias where vaxxed people will look for any other explanation to avoid the worry about their decision and the govt/media/medical community loathe to admit they made a mistake.

Whatever the cause I am glad he survived and kudos to the training team that did everything correct.  And as pointed out above, his second cardiac arrest cannot be explained by a blow to the chest.  Nor can the hundreds of other cardiac events happening to young, healthy athletes all over the world.  Saw an article with a list of almost 800 cardiac events with healthy, young athletes.  Maybe this has always happened but I seriously doubt it.  I had never known this to happen prior to the last two years and I personally now know more young men that died of sudden cardiac arrest than I personally know of all ages that died from COVID.  Something is going on and I am still 100% convinced that young people should not get vaxxed or boosted from a disease with a fatality rate of 0.0009% for those under age 21.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/10/2023 3:39:33 PM

"Something is going on and I am still 100% convinced that young people should not get vaxxed or boosted from a disease with a fatality rate of 0.0009% for those under age 21."

Dude, that  is only 9 per 1,000,000. Just another example of a Martini worthless conspiracy.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/10/2023 4:53:21 PM (updated 1/10/2023 5:03:53 PM)

Do you have a problem with the data because it is close to what I have seen documented.

https://www.clevelandfed.org/publications/cleveland-fed-district-data-brief/2022/cfddb-20220323-age-adjusted-covid-19-mortality-rates-by-demographic-groups

female 0-17 is 7.93 per million and males are 8.35 per million.  while this chart is not specific to 1-21 years of age  it is close enough to 9 per million that it does not seem far fetched to think 9 per million for both male and female is so far out in left field that MM's number would be suspect.

I agree with MM, under 21 not only no but hell no to the clot shot.  

Notes: Age-specific mortality rates are expressed in deaths per million. Data cover the period of January 1, 2020, through January 15, 2022.
Sources: COVID-19 deaths from the CDC, population data from the US Census Bureau, and author's calculations.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/10/2023 6:08:24 PM (updated 1/10/2023 6:18:08 PM)

The Right likes to make a big deal about the vaccine but is silent when it comes to school shootings with assault type weapons. It is horrible that kids have died from the vaccine. But, some of us feel the same about the school shootings. Too bad, the Right can't help find  a viable solution to save kids from dying while attending class. 

There were 51 school shootings in 2022 that resulted in injuries or deaths, the most in a single year since Education Week began tracking such incidents in 2018. Prior to 2022, the highest number of school shootings with injuries or deaths was last year when there were 35. There were 10 in 2020, and 24 each in 2019 and 2018.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/11/2023 9:26:25 AM

Got it, change the subject when spanked with data! 

So what you are saying is that Biden and his administration, and a demonrat congress is doing an even worse piss poor job protecting school students then republican administrations, and its the rights fault?!?  Who was in charge of the three branches of government during the "most in a single year" as well as the "prior to 2022 the highest ... was last year(2021).

Ill give you hint, only thing that changed recently was the House....

But to also play your game - Let me know when the government mandates school shooters vs clot shots.  So it is no big deal in your mind that the governement mandates 9 to die per million - but some idiot with a gun/knife/stick/whatever is handy does bad things, well that we should be able to do something about, maybe we can make killing people illegal(Hint murder is already illegal, but lets exempt the clot shot) 

Ill also give you a BIG hint - go back and look at how many of the shooters were "On the FBI's radar" but they were too busy doing something else, like worrying about raiding Melania's panty drawer!

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/11/2023 10:04:55 AM

And here's the bizarre aspect of the IFR for those under 21......take out those with co-morbidities and the IFR might as well be zero.  And that doesn't even take into account that probably a lot of those listed as WuFlu deaths died from something else and were listed as virus deaths so the hospital gets more money.  More people under 21 die from the annual flu than from the ChiCom virus.....heck, more die from auto accidents and accidental drownings.  But the left is so enamored with these experimental gene therapies that they don't care how many lives are ruined or lost due to adverse reactions as long as they submit to their masters and do as they are told.  They are members of the Covidian cult.  

I'll bet Goofy didn't bother to read the analysis in the article I posted.  He doesn't want to know the truth.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Stay on task Goofy
Date:	1/11/2023 10:07:35 AM

I know if you forget your meds you wander off into other topics.  Am happy to debate gun violence with you in another thread because unlike you, I understand that this issue is the culture, not access to weapons.  But wanting to control our lives and "do something", even if it doesn't work, is a primary feature of the left...emotion over logic.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/11/2023 10:53:58 AM

Would not be suprised that he has probably not taken the shots at all or at a minumum stopped around 2-3 and has not had the 3-5 boosters being recommended.

Just like he has never done anything that would help global warming.  As always with him its up to someone else to do without or change what they do - big engines on boats and cars for him!   

He barks loud about what everyone else needs to do.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/11/2023 11:06:47 AM

He's a leftist masquerading as an Indy......it's what they do.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/11/2023 11:37:07 AM

Archie tried to claim he is an "Independent" as well.  We see how that turned out.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	It's far worse than that
Date:	1/11/2023 11:53:56 AM

BREAKING: Congresswoman @RepMTG calls for investigation into the recent increase of heart attacks and strokes in young people The tides are finally turning against Big Pharma and the historic harm they have caused

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Anyone To Blame????
Date:	1/11/2023 6:26:29 PM (updated 1/11/2023 6:28:12 PM)

Trump pushed for a warp speed vaccine. He had no choice as the goal was to save lives. It is so easy to look back and find fault. Yes, the vaccine was not perfect as it was on tested for a few months. Big pharma did the best they could under the circumstances and so did Trump.

Anyone have any suggestions as to how Trump shoud have handled it differently to avoid any deaths from the vaccines?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Anyone To Blame????
Date:	1/11/2023 8:19:40 PM (updated 1/11/2023 8:27:59 PM)

Trump did the right thing in pushing hard for a vaccine.

Big Pharma sold him a bill of goods.

Biden and everyone else in his administration bought into the Big Pharma lie and continue to throw American Citizens, all the way down to 6 months old, under the bus. 

I bought into the lie and got the first stab and the booster.  Nothing more since, and I went through a period where my wife had Covid and even with many, many hours of close contact with her during her bout, I didn't get it again.  I see no reason to buy into the booster after booster after booster hysteria.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	He!! yes!!!
Date:	1/12/2023 8:32:13 AM

The people that we pay billions of dollars a year to protect us....the FDA, CDC and NIH and those that run them, especially Anthony Fauci who I believe is a mass murderer.  Not only did they fund the gain of function research with a ChiCom run lab that started the pandemic but they allowed Pfizer and Moderna to foist upon the world experimental gene therapies that we were told were both safe and effective......it turns out they were neither.  Pfizer and Moderna CEOs and anyone in these corporations responsible for the lies about the safety of these products should also be charged with murder.

So Trump did what he thought was correct based on what he was told by the government scientists responsible for ensuring our safety from harmful drugs.....ya know, those "experts" that you on the left love to cite, listen to in adoring poses and follow their every utterence with slavish devotion.  Fauci and his merry band of incompetents failed the President, failed the American people and failed the world.  And yet, Fauci is treated like a diety by the left and to the extent they have the brains to realize the issues with the faux vaccines they only blame Trump because like you, they have TDS. 

But you following the advice of those very same people and getting the jab 20 times is OK, but Trump following their advice is....well....different, somehow.......and yes, he followed their advice and even got the jabs himself.  Doubt he would have done that had he thought there was an issue......but somehow it's different.  Give it up Goofy..