Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/21/2019 10:54:30 PM

It was recently revealed Trump's HUD secretary Ben Carson had, at taxpayer expense, an $8000 dishwasher installed in his office!

I don't want to know what forum members think of this purchase.  No, I want to know what they would have thought if it was Obama'a HUD Secretary Julian Castro rather than Ben Carson who had installed an $8000 dishwasher?

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 9:36:59 AM

Don't really care about a dishwasher, 800$ is about right for one that will not break down in 2 years.  What I would like to know ol Archie is how do you feel now about Gorsuch and Kavanaugh?  The Court's right block only votes together about 75% of the time.  OTOH, the liberal wing, stays together 92% of the time.  Who, prey tell, are the real obstructionists on the USSC?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 10:07:31 AM

Read again....$8,000 not $800. Kinda over the top....wouldn't you agree

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 12:23:53 PM

Sorry 'bout that, missed an important zero.  However, when you consider that a good dishwasher will steam fish if tightly wrapped in foil, can be used to clean golf balls,   is great for cleaning baseball caps, unlike a washing machine then you got to pay for added features.   There are recipes for dishwasher potatoes and dishwasher lasagna out there.  And I also use my dishwasher as a cabinet, storing clean china and silverware there for as long as possible until needed.  So 8K is a steal for a machine that acts as cabinets, washing machine, stove top and oven all in one. 

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 1:34:30 PM

im strugling to remember how much that Mueller report cost the taxpayers

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 2:24:31 PM

Many years ago, I worked with someone who was getting ready for a business trip and realized he had no clean underwear. However, his apartment did not have washing machines. So, to save time he threw the underwear in the dishwasher. Well, it went through the wash and rinse cycles and everything was cool. Until... it started the drying cycle. Making this a short story, it caught on fire and he had to call the fire department.

Moral of the story, if he had one of those $8,000 machine I bet there is a timer for drying underwear.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 2:49:05 PM

Probably was forced to pick one from the government catalog that was approved of and had high green ratings for energy and water usage.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 2:50:43 PM (updated 5/22/2019 2:54:19 PM)

A tip for those who travel dont use coffee pots in hotels near the airport - they are often used to hot wash unmentionables by flight crews.

and cheap compaired to the $52000 in curtains ordered under obama.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-IDIOT.....
Date:	5/22/2019 6:16:41 PM

What’s wrong with that.  He’s paying the dishwasher less than $4.00/hr.  That’s saving a bunch of money....I pay my dishwasher $9.87/hr, plus vacation, and OBAMMIEcare.  My guess is our Secretary doesn’t want a slave...like you suggest....

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 6:53:01 PM

I have no idea how long ago the HUD Secretary's kitchen and dining room were refurbished before Ben Carson.  It might be commerical dishwasher, designed for washing a few more dishes than the one in your house.  I doubt it was for his personal use.  I'm sure they cater receptions and such at the Department, and it is likely big enough to handle a reception worth of dishe.

That is the problem with these "reports" - they don't provide details.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 7:55:11 PM

One of the details provided which I should have included...Any expenditure by a cabinet head that is over $5000 requires that the relevant accounting officers be informed and that their approval be obtained...old Ben skipped this step. 

BTW: The DW was in his office mini kitchen.  Now I doubt even a fellow as dense as Ben Carson would buy a commercial DW for an office ''break room''!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 8:10:20 PM

The now retired former director of the City of Atlanta Planning Dept once spoke of how one of the things he hated most was unloading the dishwasher.  Luckily his wife dutifully did the job.  After he got divorced and had to do the job himself he said he thought the plumbing code should require every residential kitchen to have 2 dish washers.  I so doing no one would ever have to unload a dishwasher again...one would always be loaded with dirty dishes awaiting cleaning and the other that had completed the cleaning process would become simply another cabinet!

I withhold judgement on Gorsuch and kavanaugh until they have enough decisions to enable one to perhaps discern the cut of their jib. I'm hoping one or both will be a surprise to me and an even bigger surprise to Donald Trump!

Now CRD, are you going to answer my question?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/22/2019 10:13:02 PM

Yeah, yeah, I am sure the cabinet secretary is out shopping for dishwashers and ensuring they are top dollar plus.  I highly doubt it.  And who are you to call  an accomplished neurosurgeon, who doesn't have to work another day in his life if he doesn't want to, dense? Is this the best you can come up with to feed your insane obsession with DJT?  Pitiful, pitiful.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 12:18:58 AM

Carson was a brilliant pediatric surgeon. The only reason he is HUD Secretary is his endoresement of and loyalty to Trump. If he were Obama's HUD Secretary the Right would call him inept and an embarrassment. He is over his head and even said that he wasn't qualified.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 7:40:31 AM

You calling Ben Carson dense, now that's rich. Any other jokes please post in the appraise forum.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 10:51:49 AM

As Hodja said - highly doubt he was personally shopping for a dishwasher.  And many appointed officials are confused by the approvals process when they first enter government, I doubt he failed to get approval on purpose.  As far as him saying he was "not qualified" for the job - many non-government people are surprised and overwelmed by the magnitude of their responsibilies once they get in office.  I think feeling that you "aren't qualified" is a thought that goes through many department heads minds in the beginning.  Most don't express it in public, so I find his confessioin refreshing.  

You do realize that he was likely limited to certain government approved vendors to make his purchase - so you do not know the price range that was avaiable to whomever was doing the selecting.  No one ever said that the acquisiton process of dishwashers or F-35 jets is cost efficient. 

But at this point, I find an $8000 dishwasher small potatoes when I think of how much money Democrats are wasting every day by not doing their jobs for the American people, because they insist on -reinvesting something that taxpayers money has been spent on for the past two years, in an effort to keep Trump from bing relected, because they don't have a strong candidate to run.  As a taxpayer, this angers me very much- but then it also makes me laugh at the Democrats desperate actions.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 11:55:55 AM

I agree with "Hounds" response below.  Have to know alot of particulars before arriving at any conclusion.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 12:27:44 PM

IMO he is uniquely qualified. Obviously highly intelligent with advanced degrees and real world experience that goes along with it. He lived his life in private sector endeavors. He rose above his early childhood circumstances to gain all this while BEING RAISED IN HUD HOUSING. Has there ever been another HUD Director that actually lived in public housing? I don't think so.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 8:48:57 PM

I didn't say that I don't think he isn't qualified.  He said that he was not qualified, but my point is that he likely feeling overwhelmed with scope of his responsibilities.  I imagine a lot of Department Heads feel this way, they just don't say it out loud. No disrespect to Carson.  As you say, he may be uniquely qualified.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's a dishwasher!
Date:	5/23/2019 10:22:08 PM

I agree with you. Sorry if my post conveyed that I didn't.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	WRONG AGAIN LIFER
Date:	5/23/2019 10:27:11 PM

Dr Carson never lived in HUD(Public) housing. Here are his own words from a speech at Yale 12/08/2016....His mother deserves more credit than you are giving to her and you owe her an apology.

NEW HAVEN — Ben Carson, President-elect Donald Trump's nominee for secretary of Housing and Urban Development, said his mother made sure that her family didn't live in public housing in Boston because it was dangerous.

"Despite what you may have heard from people, she wanted to make sure that we didn't live in public housing, because there was a lot danger there, and she wanted to shield us from that danger," Carson said during a speech at Yale University on Thursday night.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	WRONG AGAIN LIFER
Date:	5/24/2019 7:37:25 AM

So it wasn't public housing, I should have just said 'hood, dirt poor with an illiterate mother who made her children read a book a week and submit written reports to her. They never knew she couldn't read those reports till much later in life.