Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 11:30:47 AM

For those of you who complain about the high cost of prescription drugs, Hillary has spoken and the results are positive. She spoke and the makes of Epp Pen has reduced the final cost to patients. Where was Trump when a presidential voice was needed?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epipen-price-reduction-clinton-criticism_us_57bee46de4b02673444e8a32

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 12:04:09 PM

The solution to the drug problem will not come from the WH.  It needs to come from Congress, in the form of a bill to control increases in drug costs.  Remember that Congress is the legislative body and the WH is the managing executive body.  So it doesn't matter what potentail Presidents might say on this issue.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 1:56:56 PM

We will never get any control of drug price increases with the GOP controlled Congress. That's why we need a President who cares and speaks up. Less government does  not lead to any type of controls. At least give some credit to Hillary for the change in net pricing of the pens.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 2:12:46 PM

GF, you failed to mention the CEO of Mylan is the daughter of Democrat Senator Joe Manchin and a supporter of Hillary.  I guess had she (Heather Bresch) made the appropriate donation to the Clinton Crime Family Foundation, she could have left the price increase in effect.  Heather says not to blame her for the increase, it was because of our broken healthcare system.  How in the world can that be??  Didn't Obamacare fix all the problems?

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 2:30:41 PM

And this also. Heather pocketed over $18,000,000 last year and in 2015 moved a significant amount of Mylan out of the USA to get better tax breaks.  You Democrats always want to broadbrush "Big Pharma" as being in the pocket of the Republican party.  Now here you are trying somehow to associate Donald Trump with this fiasco.  Your dog won't hunt, sucks eggs and howls at the moon.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Clarification
Date:	8/25/2016 2:42:00 PM (updated 8/25/2016 2:46:04 PM)

I did find that Mylan had donated $250,000 to the CCFF, but don't know exactly when.  Must not have been enough.  Also, some years back Mylan was a partner with the Clintion Crime Family Foundation health iniative on HIV/Aids. Hillary has received $60,650 from the Mylan PAC and its employees.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	One last thing
Date:	8/25/2016 3:01:03 PM

The price is not actually being reduced.  Insurers will still pay the full price (less deductible).  Mylan is issuing a "savings card" which is really nothing more than a PR move. Epipen Savings

Your post did have one thing right... "Less government does  not lead to any type of controls."

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Hey! GOOFBUTT!! We're waiting
Date:	8/25/2016 4:39:06 PM

Where's ole GOOFBUTT.  Hhhhheeeeeeyyyyy....GOOFBUTT.  Where aaarrreeee yyyoooouuuuu?  AU has handed you your BUTT.....He just ripped it off yo behind and shoved it down yo throat. 

Now GOOFBUTT, for the pride of all idiot liberals, you have to quickly change the subject like the liberal idiot theme of the day like Trump is a racist, or something else equally stupid.  Come on BUBBA, Don't keep us waiting....

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Hey! GOOFBUTT!! We're waiting
Date:	8/25/2016 5:29:53 PM (updated 8/25/2016 5:37:37 PM)

Duh, Wix is a racist!!!!!!    an' AU too!!!!!!!!!!!

Wanna see my stolen Trump sign collection?  

Let's dye our hair orange and hate Jesus together...................................

OK Soros, send me my check.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	WIX Get your panties on...no need to wait
Date:	8/25/2016 6:17:12 PM

I never said they reduced the price. I said "has reduced the final cost to patients."  That is all that matters...the final cost. The fact that CEO is Sen daughter just shows you there is sleaze left and right.I am surprised AU would be concerned with the CEO bonus of 18mill. That is how free enterprise should work. Did you ever retrun a bonus?

The right wing tea party nuts in Congress need to support a bill to allow the Feds to negotiate drug prices like the VA does.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 7:05:02 PM

I think the leadership needed still has to come from the White House, because over the past 8 years a GOP controlled congress has shown more interest in disposing of Obama's efforts to fix the healthcare system than supporting critical changes... or coming up with their own ideas.   It's pretty clear to everyone that conservatives think that healthcare is not a right, and should only be available to people who can afford it.  Everyone else will just have to go without & suffer the consequences for themselves &  their children.

We are going to have to come to terms with the idea that Medical Care cannot and should not be a primarily profit-driven part of the economy.   In many cases, loads of federal tax dollars go into the R&D of new pharmaceuticals which are then held as profit-centers for Big Pharma, protecting their margins and even encouraging them to ramp up their prices.    Why should an Eipi-Pen cost less in Canada than it does in the US when it is manufactured by a US company?

The GOP has opposed letting Medicare negotiate for lower prices from the drug companies, effectively shielding them from the advantages of bulk purchasing.... and the cost savings that could be passed on to US consumers.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/25/2016 7:33:28 PM (updated 8/25/2016 7:46:42 PM)

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/24/dark-lord-hacked-documents-reveal-scale-george-soross-influence-u-s/

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Goofbutt.....deflect......deflect
Date:	8/25/2016 10:12:26 PM

Now that was a very stupid post.  The leftist female, Clinton donor, CEO, thief gave herself $18 mil, she is in charge.  She bought favors from the Clintons with cash.....just like all the turbin heads who own tha HILDA B----H.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Copper
Date:	8/25/2016 10:13:45 PM

Get a life.....

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 7:26:15 AM

GF--if you believe they reduced the cost because of hillary, you have your head in the sand--they reduced it due to pressure from Sarah Parker  & her Hollywood buds

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 9:07:16 AM

Cl,

You tend to spout alot of verbage that masquerades as true working knowledge, however, really is nothing more than simple talking points.  I ask you to research the growth of insurance coverage for the hispanic and AA populations for instance over the past 3 years.  You will find that the numbers don't support your claim of the Republican controlled Congress attempting to tear down the ACA.  There are still over 30 million uninsured, but this is not a problem the Republicans created.  Fact check.

The R & D budgets of pharmaceutical companies is tightening for sure.  Various contries around the world offer tax incentives and credits for these companies doing business there.  You are not really correct in implying Fed dollars go to these companies while they ("big pharma") reap profits.  It is a symbiotic relationship that governments and business negotiate.

Talking points don't work on this forum.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 12:29:52 PM

I disagree.   The reason that more people aren't insured under the ACA is because of Conservative resistance to the concept.   For instance, Alabama refused to expand Medicaid... as did several other states, leaving large gaps in coverage across the country.   And Conservatives in Congress made literally scores of attempts to defund & cripple the ACA rather than finding ways to expand the efforts to get healthcare to people who needed it.     I dont' know how you could say otherwise.

Another reason the ACA falls short, IMO, is that we should have created a single-payer system for health care... a sort of Medicare-for-all.   Leaving the insurance corporations in play with their profit motives driving their business practices will always bend the system away from what is good national healthcare policy.   Healthcare should not be a profit-driven industry, but the fact that conservative opinion promoting those corporations shaped that part of the ACA.   That, I hope, will change one day.

I'm am saying that Big Pharma benefits from R&D advances in govt research, then takes those findings and converts them into profit drivers for their business...as well as doing their own R&D.   And if there really was good negotiation between the government and Big Pharma, then Medicare would be allowed to negotiate for lower drug prices, and we would not be seeing so many  examples of life-saving drugs being inflated to exorbidant levels.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	That's why its called a forum
Date:	8/26/2016 12:57:38 PM

REALLY not sure what you mean when you say 'talking points don't work on this forum'.   Seems to me we can either have a conversation around 'talking points' or we go back to coming up with snappy insults & name calling.

The forum has improved a lot from the time when it was all insults & slams.   I really think we should stick to the talking points... even if we disagree.

That's why its called a forum.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	That's why its called a forum
Date:	8/26/2016 1:11:41 PM (updated 8/26/2016 1:14:34 PM)

When I read posts by Architect, GoneFishin, wix, and lifer, I don't get the sense that the name calling has abated much.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 2:18:31 PM

They didn't really cut the cost.  Instead they offered a coupon, for those that aren't covered by any government medical program.  I was speaking to a Dr. friend the other day.  She said the medicine in the Epipen is very cheap.  One could ask their Dr. for a prescription for the medicine, buy some syringes and it would be very cheap.  But instead, the epipen provides convenience,and is easier for kids to use.  So basically, one is paying for the housing.  How much is a plastic housing worth? 

I don't think they offered the coupon because of Hilary or SJP, but rather because the CEO was under fire, and was being confronted to her face.  the coupon makes it look like they are doing something.  But the CEO is smiling all the way to the bank.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 3:32:47 PM

Here is how I can say otherwise.....1 in 10 in this country lack insurance cov'g.  Even after the significant reforms passed on both sides of the aisle, cost remains THE biggest factor (Even after Obama said that costs would decrease).  Roughly 87% of individuals with healthcare cov'g either have employer sponsored cov'g, Medicare or Medicaid (which is a federal AND state system of insurance).  4 % have gained insurance via the exchange.  Those in the 10% or so without insurance fall into 3 statistical groups:  people who don't sign up (hardly a republican issue),  people who qualify for medicaid but who have not enrolled (hardly a republican issue) and undocumented illegal immigrants, (again hardly a republican issue).  So where you can blame one political party for the 30 million without insurance continues to baffle me.  

Medicaid expansion is/was optional to states.  31 decided to expand.  I believe that leaves 19 who decided not to, including a wide swatch of the south.  If budgets support expansion, let the voters decide.  If budgets don't support expansion, again let the voters decide. I don't agree with Governors via executive orders, mandating Medicaid expansion.  We already have Medicaid eligible individuals who don't sign up as it is.

As far as one payor Healthcare, try this on for size.  The ACA now requires that any provider that accepts HHS funding, ie, Medicare, Medicaid, Medicare Advantage post in his office, on his website and on any other item of advertising, that he/she does not discriminate on the basis of yadayadayada........and,  now we are required on our OWN dime, to supply translators for the top 15 languages spoken in your particular state for those who don't speak THE LANGUAGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, which happens to be English.  If you think for one minute that a national single payor healthcare system will result in the best and brightest persuing a field in the healthcare industry, you are mistaken.  This recent ACA law validated my decision years ago to not participate in these systems.  I would rather charitably work with individuals on these form of insurances anyday than be tied to them and have to abide by absurd rules such as these.  And they go on and on and on and on......

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 3:43:52 PM

And, trust me, I know how much Pharmaceutical Companies develop their R & D budgets.  Your characterization of them relying to any degree on fed gov't research and then piggybacking off of that with their own R&D is just flat out incorrect.  They recruit the best minds, and it is an intense recruitment, offer them the best labs and equipment and ancillary staff, and try like h>>LL to keep them from jumping ship to other pharma companies.  The Fed Gov't does more to get in their way than it does with any assistance.....

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Whoa Whoa....opinion based on facts?
Date:	8/26/2016 4:19:10 PM (updated 8/26/2016 4:19:59 PM)

Methinks CRD does not protest too much.  Seems to have some factual data and real life experience upon which to form an opinion.  Are you sure you belong on this forum?  The rest of us just form an opinion and shoot from the hip, or nearby!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 4:34:51 PM

Never said they cut the cost. Rather, the net cost to the patient was reduced. That is all we should be concerned with as consumers. Denying that Hillary had nothing to do with it just enables you to justify supporting Trump. That is why we are alrady A Great Country. You are free to post your opinion.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 4:38:42 PM

Never said they cut the cost. Rather, the net cost to the patient was reduced

Would you be so kind as to define "cut" and "reduced"? 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 6:13:20 PM

Thanks for making the point on medical research.  Socialists/communists routinely claim that the gubment supplies EVERYTHING, when any intelligent human knows that is a lie.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 6:17:07 PM

Socialists don't know the definitions of most words they copy down off the dimokrap talking point lists.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 7:21:13 PM

The NET cost to the patient was reduced through the use of coupons. Not really complicated but sorry I confused you.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Another Reason Why We Need hIllary
Date:	8/26/2016 8:41:46 PM

Glad you asked that question.  Even the experts think that the coupon is nothing more than a PR move.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Goofbutt, you can't confuse anyone,
Date:	8/26/2016 10:50:41 PM

except yourself.  I see an opportunity for insurers to sue for the same privilege to use the coupon.  And Medicaid, too.  Coupons are used often by drug companies to entice patients to get prescriptions written by docs, and drug companies give them to docs to pass out to patients, too.  We've all seen that before...