Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/21/2021 1:05:07 PM

Playing the odds with the Covid vaccine appears to be a losing bet.

Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/21/2021 1:35:52 PM

So they found one doctor willing to play the part of useful idiot with her anecdotal stories.......makes me think of the perfect Jeopardy question:  "Give me Things That Didn't Happen for $500, Alex."   So for every story we got from this doctor I can provide a dozen instances of people getting very sick and some dying from having taken the vaccine.  In essence this isn't science or medicine, it is propaganda for the weak minded......and we can cut it both ways if you like.

Deciding on the taking the vaccine or not, which one to take and so on are highly dependent on the individual circumstances and should be done in consultation with your doctor.  The median age of those that die from the ChiCom Fauci virus is over age 75.  If you are older and/or have co-morbidities, to me it is a no-brainer to take the risk with the vaccine despite the significantly higher number of adverse reactions and deaths compared to other vaccines.  If you are younger and in good health it is a different risk management decision. 

If you are ignorant of the risks associated with the vaccines compared to the risk of an infection you have probably already gotten the vaccine.  If you live in a rural part of a state like Alabama and are younger and healthier the vaccine may not be worth the risk.  If you live in a more densely populated area it may be a different decision.  But what doesn't work and shouldn't work is to try to scare or shame people into making a potentially poor and possibly deadly health care decision.  The vast, vast majority of younger, healthier people that get the virus have no to mild symptoms and do not require hospitalization.  The same is true with those that get the vaccine....most of them have no to mild symptoms....but some have had their lives ruined and others have died.  It's all about risk management and people should be free to make decisions about whether the risk of the vaccine outweighs the risk of the virus.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Increasing Your Odds
Date:	7/21/2021 1:49:54 PM

If one decides to take a pass on the vaccine there are things they can do to make the likelihood of a fatal or severe case less likely.  One is a daily dose of Vitamin D,  Another is Vitamin C, and a third is zinc.  And finally, for those taking meds for cholesterol control, statins are said to also decrease the chances of getting a bad case.

That all being said, it seems to me that a person's odds for surviving COVID 19 and having a mild case, if getting an active infection at all, are greatly increased by getting vaccinated.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Increasing Your Odds
Date:	7/21/2021 2:08:26 PM

I agree with that and other than the statins (which give me muscle pain) I am have been taking these supplements since early on.  I also have my doctor on standby with a prescription for Ivermectin if I do get an infection. 

And yes, it appears the vaccine does reduce the symptoms if you have a breakthrough infection.  But again, that needs to be weighed against the potential risk of an adverse reaction to a vaccine that you maybe didn't need if you are healthy and younger.  No easy answer.  But these scare tactics like this doctor being given all sorts of attention are intellectually dishonest, provide an inaccurate and incomplete picture and should not be the basis for anyone's personal health care decision.

Speaking of breakthrough infections, if I read it correctly almost 40% of the new infections are with fully vaccinated people.  That makes me wonder about the rates of effectiveness that they touted for their vaccines.  Since many of the new infections are the Delta strain it does seem to indicate they are not as effective which is probably no surprise.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	WRONG AGAIN!!!!!
Date:	7/21/2021 9:11:09 PM (updated 7/21/2021 9:15:27 PM)

“Speaking of breakthrough infections, if I read it correctly almost 40% of the new infections are with fully vaccinated people. “

You need to post your source. 40% of 159 million fully vaccinated would be 60 million cases.

The number according to the CDC is 5,492 or 0.003%. You need to avoid decimals. Was math a course taught in the church high school?

Use logic and realize 40% is just a scare tactic from one of your 3 sources…Jones, Hannity, or Tucker. 

How many people have gotten COVID after being vaccinated? As of July 12, the CDC reported 5,492 breakthrough cases of COVID-19 that led to severe disease in the United States, out of 159 million fully-vaccinated Americans. That's about a 0.003% breakthrough rate.

Of that number, 1,063 fully-vaccinated people have died of COVID.

These figures are almost certainly underreported, however, as the CDC relied on public and voluntary reporting, which may not be complete. The actual numbers are higher but 40%? 60,000,000 new cases of fully vacinnated?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Thank you Mr. H!
Date:	7/21/2021 10:03:14 PM

You have to understnd, dipwad, that i have a mind of my own, and your criticisms of the past are shed like water off a duck's back, much as your thank you will be as well. Go find the remains of a harvested tree and attempt carnal knowledge. 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/21/2021 10:40:55 PM

This information should be read to every idiot who refuses to get vaccinated:

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-sorry-but-its-too-late-alabama-doctor-on-treating-unvaccinated-dying-covid-patients.html

Name:	BayPineYankee -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/21/2021 11:33:41 PM

Disagreement between MartiniMouth and our most ignorant bigot?  That's good fun. 

Name:	Bamanole -	Reply
Subject:	Actually, you’re wrong…
Date:	7/21/2021 11:37:47 PM

You question his math education while ignoring your lack of reading comprehension. 40% of new infections from fully vaccinated people is not the same thing as 40% of vaccinated people are infected. BTW, your math ain't all that great either. 5492 of 159 million is .00003. You need to avoid decimals.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	WRONG AGAIN!!!!!
Date:	7/22/2021 8:22:51 AM (updated 7/22/2021 8:29:00 AM)

How many demonrats from texas on that plane came down with Covid after being having both shots?  At last count I saw was up around 6.

Yup its those damn antivax people who are getting it, if it was a breakthrough case - who in the group of demonrats was unvaxxed to spread it to the vaxxed?  Who at Bidens White House or Pelosi's group gave it to them?????  Damn those Pelosi Antivax republicans, Damn them all to hell.....

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 8:26:01 AM

Did you have a disagreement with MM Baypine?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	You are math or language challenged
Date:	7/22/2021 8:47:05 AM (updated 7/22/2021 9:32:40 AM)

Goofy, I stated that 40% of are people that have gotten the virus had one shot or are fully vaccinated.  Not 40% of the vaccinated have gotten the virus.  My God, how can you possibly be that dumb????  Wait, don't answer that.

The number I heard came from CDC where they originally had the numbers reversed and said 60% but then clarified it was 40% with 60% being unvaccinated.  Given that it comes from the CDC who knows.  But I suggest you look at the studies done in Israel which has 9 million people and has over 10M shots done already.  Here are some data for you to ponder.

An initial review of the data surprised the analysts. A summary follows a review of some examples. The first one reveals the week of June 27^th to July 3^rd in the age cohort 20-29 years old. According to the data in this cohort, those new COVID-19 cases involving individuals fully vaccinated totaled 79%. How about the percentage of this population that’s fully vaccinated? It turns out to be 78%, indicating that at least for this cohort, the vaccination rate doesn’t seem to impact the infection rate.

In another cohort, aged 30-39 from the week of June 27^th to July 3^rd, the new COVID-19 cases percentage involving people fully vaccinated came out at 80% while the percentage of the population in that age group fully vaccinated came in at 83%. 

In yet another example from the week of July 27^th to July 3^rd in the 40-49 years old age group, new COVID-19 cases involving fully vaccinated people totaled 84%, and the percentage of the population in this age group that were fully vaccinated stood at 86%.

As for your number of breakthrough cases, I suggest you look a little closer.  What you posted were breathrough cases that required hospitalization.  As of April 30, CDC reported almost 11,000 breakthrough cases.  That was two and a half months ago and before the Delta variant started to dominate the new cases.  Here is the information from the CDC website.

A total of 10,262 SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections had been reported from 46 U.S. states and territories as of April 30, 2021.

However, please note that the CDC stopped counting mild cases of the ChiCom virus by vaccinated people that have mild symptoms as breakthrough and are only focused on those that require hospitalization, which makes sense to me.  What really matters is not whether people are getting a cold, but whether they require hospitalization.  On that score I think the vaccine has been very effective.  But so is Ivermectin and other treatment alternatives.  Whether it is 40% or some other number is really not the issue.  It's whether people end up in the hospital or die after being vaccinated.  And on that score the vaccine is very helpful.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 8:48:46 AM (updated 7/22/2021 9:00:59 AM)

And let me tell you why I think this is false.  If that doctor is intubating patients rather than treating them with a host of effective regimens is asking for a malpractice lawsuit.  One study indicated that intubation was no more effective than nasal O2. See it here.

https://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Fulltext/2020/11000/Timing_of_Intubation_and_Mortality_Among.31.aspx

But let me suggest you talk to the families of those that have had serious, life-changing complications or died from the vaccine if they would do it all over again.  Calling people idiots for making a personal health care decision different than your is not an effective argument.  Remember, you are asking people to participate in a large human trial of an experimental vaccine for a disease with a mortality rate of 0.3%, the vast majority of which happened to people over age 65 and with two or more co-morbidities.  If you are in that group I would agree, and have stated repeatedly, that it is worth the risk and if I were in that group I would have been first in line.  But if you are younger and healthy, this virus is not a significant risk and you may not want to take the chance of having an adverse reaction or worse.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 9:02:13 AM

Likely just another person that dislikes facts, logic and reason.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	WRONG AGAIN!!!!!
Date:	7/22/2021 9:17:45 AM

Let me guess.....they were all vaccinated, right? And pegging the irony meter is that one of these morons has now actually advocated for universal masking.  These people have no shame.

What's even funnier is that this cnnBS is completely wrong like Goofy's post.  That number was actually vaccinated that required hospitalization.  CDC knew at the time the number of reported breakthrough cases was double that at least.  And that's just what is reported andI'm sure the number is much, much higher.  Someone who is vaccinated and gets sick will more than likely think they have an ordinary cold or flu cause they're vaccinated against the Fauci virus. 

No vaccine is 100% effective and breakthrough cases were always going to happen.  What is important is how many end up with serious symptoms that require hospitalization...and on that score I think the vaccines are very helpful.  But that's a different equation for someone that could end up in the hospital with the virus versus that vast majority that will have no to mild symptoms.  People are so scientifically illiterate that it just amazes me.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 9:20:39 AM

Do you get a flu shot every year?  Polio Vaccine?  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	BAMANOLE
Date:	7/22/2021 9:36:54 AM

You are correct on the 40%. However, you blew it on the decimal. My post stated .003% which is the same as your .00003.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 9:55:42 AM

If you are asking am I anti-vaccine the answer is absolutely not.  When I went to India on business I got every shot that was available.  I am vaccinated for measles, polio, tetanus and so on.  I don't get the flu shot every year but do in bad years.  I would suggest you look at the number of adverse reactions and deaths that occur from the yearly flu shot compared to this experimental vaccine.  You will be shocked at the difference.  And that is my entire point about the experimental vaccines, there is a significantly greater risk of an adverse reaction and death than with other vaccines.....it's not even close. 

So in making a personal health decision it makes sense to me as a scientist to weigh the risks before getting the vaccine.  If you are younger and healthier you have little to no risk of being hospitalized or dying from the virus.  That may make you conclude that the risk of taking an experimental vaccine is not worth it.  If you are over age 65 and/or have two or more co-morbidities it seems to me well worth the risk and if I were in that group I would have gotten the vaccine as soon as I was eligible.  But someone that is at very little risk of serious complications or dying from the virus choosing not to get the vaccine is not even remotely being an idiot as you claimed.  They are making a rational, logical decision based on their personal circumstances.

I am waiting for more data on the vaccine to make my decision because I am younger, healthier and have no co-morbidities.  As the data comes in and we learn more I will gladly reconsider.  In fact, as we learn more about the very few hospitalizations and deaths from fully vaccinated people I am already leaning toward getting the vaccine.  So no, I am not a rabid anti-vaxxer.  And yes, I think it was miraculous what Operation Warpspeed under President Trump did in getting as far as they did as quickly with these experimental vaccines.  But I have much less faith in the chances for an adverse reaction than I do with fully studied and approved vaccines. Hence my hesitation.  But if I were in your shoes I too would have gotten it.......but I'm not.  My Mom is 89 and has COPD and we took her to get it as soon as she was eligible....for her a no-brainer and very wise decision.  And thank God she didn't have a bad reaction.  But I do have friends that did although happily none died and all were temporary.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message for Martini
Date:	7/22/2021 10:09:01 AM (updated 7/22/2021 10:12:42 AM)

Both of us were wrong.

"The number I heard came from CDC where they originally had the numbers reversed and said 60% but then clarified it was 40% with 60% being unvaccinated."

”if I read it correctly almost 40% of the new infections are with fully vaccinated people.”

I read the same but those are UK numbers not US numbers. They are referring to those hospitalized not new infections. In the US, the CDC states 97% of those hospitalized have NOT been vacinnated.

LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.

Vallance earlier said at a news conference with Prime Minister Boris Johnson that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of vaccine. "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people.”

In the US, the facts are: There's a common theme among those behind the worsening Covid-19 numbers, said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: "This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Walensky said at a Covid-19 briefing Friday. Covid-19 vaccine myths: These reasons for not getting a shot don't hold up and will set the US back

More than 97% of people getting hospitalized with Covid-19 now are unvaccinated, Walensky said. And 99.5% of deaths are among the unvaccinated, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said Sunday.

From what I have read, the vacinnes safety should be finalized in September...October. At that point, it should have either full approval or be in the "oh chit"category.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message for Martini
Date:	7/22/2021 10:25:18 AM

Goof, those are the numbers I’ve seen also.  Several hospitals have reported that Covid deaths recently are being reported at 97 - 99% non-vaccinated.  This whole issue seems a combination of political combined with religious convictions (osteopathic medicine).  MM’s concern is oriented toward negative effects of the vaccine, while the big unknown is what long term negative impacts will younger Covid sufferers have throughout their lives.  Osteopathic doctors blow my mind..

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 10:39:38 AM

My observation is this: It is pointless to even talk about this, because those that aren't vaccinated aren't going to change by any logic or statistics or antedotes.  It doesn't matter to them what medical experts, Drs. or anyone else says.  The arguments are always the same.

Those who are vaccinated don't even listen to the unvaccinated.  We know that the scientists were not starting from scratch on this vaccine, they gathered a lot of data from SARs, which has been around for a long time.  The vaccinated didn't want to play the odds on whether they will get it or not - even though they understand that it is not 100% effective. 

At the end of the day, no one changes their mind. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message for Martini
Date:	7/22/2021 10:40:30 AM (updated 7/22/2021 11:21:44 AM)

Unfortunately we do not know what the long term effects are for the Younger and Older vacciners!  We are an experiment

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message for Martini
Date:	7/22/2021 10:47:26 AM

Well that's my bad for thinking the 60% was from CDC. Breakthrough cases seem to be way worse in Israel and as much as I hate to say it I trust their data more than the CDC.  And as we saw with the nutty Texas state legislators who were all vaccinated there is something amiss here.  I am going to make a bet that some time down the road we are going to learn that the vaccines are not working nearly as well with the Delta variant but they withheld that data so people will still get vaccinated.  It's just a guess, but given the history of lies and flip flops with CDC and NIH it wouldn't surprise me.

Like I said, assuming we can trust what CDC is saying which is questionable at times, it does appear that the vaccine is helpful for those that do have a breakthrough infection and if you are at risk that alone may be worth taking a chance on the vaccine.  I had not heard the final approval results are going to be done by the fall.  They certainly should have enough data given the hundreds of millions that have gotten the vaccine to know how effective it is and the rates of adverse reactions and deaths.

Saw something funny that I repeated below:

Lab Rat 1 - "Hey, did you get the COVID-19 vaccine yet?"

Lab Rat 2 - "Nah, I am waiting for the human trials to be finished."

Funny....but only because of the element of truth.  I really hope there is no "oh chit" moment when the results come in.  But one thing for sure, the number of adverse reactions and deaths associated with these vaccines are stunningly high compared to other approved vaccines.  Whether that collateral damage ends up being worth it will take some time to sort out and will be highly controversial.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 10:57:40 AM

I actually don't think that is true for everyone that has not yet gotten vaccinated.  A lot of the people that I know that have been unwilling so far have said the same thing I said, I am waiting for more data.  Like me, they are not in the category of those most susceptible to the virus and are unwilling to take a risk on an experimental vaccine.  They are waiting and seeing. Not sure the numbers but people are still getting vaccinated every day so they waited and ultimately went ahead.  If the trial results are in and the vaccines are fully approved I suspect a lot of hesitant ones will go ahead.

But what I do know is that having vaccinated people calling the unvaccinated idiots does not help sway anyone.  MIT did a study of people that have not taken the vaccine and found them as a whole to be very well informed.  In fact, they were shocked at how well informed they were about the unique nature of this vaccine (never tried before), the adverse effects compared to other approved vaccines and their risk of ending up in a hospital or dying from the virus.  And when you have the inventor of rMNA vaccines talking about his potential concerns it is pretty sobering and scary.

As a funny note, my Mom was in the hospital and she told the nurse I hadn't been vaccinated the nurse said, and I quote, "I haven't either.  I'm not letting them put that sh!t in my body.  It's experimental and I'm not going to be one of their test victims."  My Mom was shocked.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 11:09:25 AM

No one is calling anyone an idiot.  It's a personal choice.  But I don't agree that it is "experimental".  They have a lot of SARs data and they used it to formulate the current vaccine.  

At one time, the polio vaccine was "experimental" - two different teams came up with two different vaccines from two different approaches.  Salk got his to market quicker and people lined up to take the shot - because they figured it was a better deal than to get polio.  Every vaccine and medication is to some extent "experimental" - you know in all those drug adds and they list all the possible side effects?  Someone experienced those when they took the medicine, yet most of the users will not get them.  

In my view, "perfect" is the enemy of "good".  And lives are being saved.  And those nurses who aren't taking the vaccine- I don't want them anywhere near me, and in my opinion, they should be prevented from working with patients  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 12:03:27 PM (updated 7/22/2021 12:04:26 PM)

You are wrong...it is an experimental vaccine and never before have they used an rMNA vaccine on humans.  It has not received final approval from the FDA and was allowed for use on humans on an emergency basis (which was probably the right decision).  As far as I know SARs has nothing to do with this vaccine. Four candidate vaccines for humans with or without alum adjuvant were evaluated in a mouse model of SARS, a VLP vaccine, the vaccine given to ferrets and NHP, another whole virus vaccine and an rDNA-produced S protein.  None of these vaccines are of the rMNA type.

And I suggest you go back and look at the history of the polio vaccine.  There was lots of opposition to the vaccine when it first came out.  Look up the Cutter incident which is an interesting piece of history that has been long forgotten.  

But back to my point, I do think if the vaccines recieve final FDA approval a lot of people will reconsider.  They just don't want to be part of the trial study. And yes, lots of people, including Wix, are calling the non-vaccinated idiots, morons, murderers, etc.  It happens every day.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 2:21:37 PM

Based on your philosophy, we would be living in caves, hiding from all other humans, only leaving our cave during daylight…….no airplanes, cars, cooked food, no nothing, no sex….wait a minute….none of us would be here!!  Life is full of chances….get your vaccine!!

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 2:45:58 PM

The problem as I see it is TRUST.  They have lied to us so much about so many different aspects of the disease and the pandemic in general, why would I trust that the numbers they supply in regards to safety of the "vacine".  An aquantice of mine is a biology profesor at Auburn who teaches the vet students and pre-med students a course dealing with genetics.  When I asked him his opinion on the vaccine his reply was "it's probably OK".  Yet he also has not gotten the vaccine and has no plans too.  He also spoke of the fact that we are not getting any real numbers that can be trusted.  

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 2:48:36 PM

This is a copy of a comment concerning this article:

Let's see, the latest daily death toll of patients WITH Covid in Alabama is 17. That's the entire state. Since the vast majority of people who die with COVID are 75 and older and/or with diabetes, statistically, there would be almost no young people dying on any particular day. Now, what are the odds that this one doctor at one hospital would be seeing multiple young people dying of COVID, especially considering there would be a staff of multiple doctors at the hospital? Shouldn't someone be asking for statistics of how many young people have died at this hospital under her care -- and of those, how many had no co-morbidies and were unvaccinated? Bet the answer will be a firm NONE.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's just silly
Date:	7/22/2021 2:58:49 PM (updated 7/22/2021 3:24:24 PM)

Nope.  I can tell you I didn't work from home one day during the pandemic.  I was in the office every single day.  I only wore masks when I needed to in order to go where I wanted if it was required.  Those that hid in their homes cowering in fear are the ones that would go back to living in a cave if the govt told them to.....not me.  I use the latest technology, have tons of friends at the lake every weekend and am living life to the fullest.  I don't walk around cowering in fear at every person I see and I do not fear the ChiCom Fauci virus.

How about this idea, which I thought you might have once agreed with until the govt brainwashed you with fear, you live your life the way you want and I'll live mine to the fullest the way I want.  I don't criticize anyone that wants to wear a mask or who got vaccinated.  That is their right as it is mine to use my God-given intellect to discern science from bovine excrement.  How about you stop worrying about me and if you don't like my personal health care decisions....well that's just too bad.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Totally agree with you
Date:	7/22/2021 3:02:12 PM

They just found some useful idiot left wing nut doctor who knew how to get her 15 minutes of fame.  Like I said, I'll take things that didn't happen for $500, Alex.  Pure sophistry and useless except to the very weak minded that have lost the ability to think critically.  People begging for the vaccine before she intubates them......what a laugher.  If she knew what she was doing she would have ordered to proper treatment in the first place.  But its all moot because she made the whole thing up.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Very important message from Covid Doctor in B'ham.
Date:	7/22/2021 3:30:55 PM

WIth so few dying and her practicing in bham - is this not a HIPAA violations to be discussing anything about a  patient without consent - since who she is talking about can probably be figured out based on location and obits -  if indeed her internet video is accurate?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Totally agree with you
Date:	7/22/2021 3:33:07 PM

If they are doing good enough to beg and  plead why do they need a vent?  Why would not the O2 noose up the nose not handle it if they are breathing enough to speak normally.

I smell BS personally, I think she is full of it probably and hopefully someone files a suit against her for a HIPAA violation.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/22/2021 6:37:01 PM

I'm not going to argue with you MM.  You do you.  I know there is some kind of commonality with SARS, but I do not feel like doing the research to prove how it links in.  I'm fully vaccinated and I'm not sorry; I have no second thoughts about it.  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Now that's just silly
Date:	7/22/2021 9:29:23 PM

Publish your opinions, feelings, etc., and they're out there for everyone to judge.  And judge, we will!

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Now here's something to add to the.....
Date:	7/22/2021 9:37:05 PM

List of Reasons not to get the vaccine:

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/black-georgia-couple-refused-vaccine-because-of-tuskegee-experiment-die-of-covid.html

This is a prime reason not to get vaccinated!!!

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Playing The Odds
Date:	7/23/2021 7:44:13 AM

When you say "You do you.", assuming you mean I base my beliefs on facts, logic and reason then yes, I will continue to do what I do.  If I were you I would have gotten the vaccine as well.   But I'm not. 

SARS and COVID-19 are both coronovirus's.  What I was referring to is that the vaccines preliminarily developed for SARS before it petered out were different than the approach taken for the current virus.  That's what I was trying to say.  If you can find it, watch the video of the Doctor that led the team that invented the mRNA technology.  He is not anti-vaccine but he does raise some concerns that have yet to answered. Hopefully his concerns turn out not to be an issue.