Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Bubba HOAX
Date:	6/23/2020 9:42:31 PM

Now that the Bubba Hoax by NASCAR is over, I wonder if we can get our Confederate Flags back?????  Funny it took the FBI to clear up a fake news story!!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Bubba HOAX
Date:	6/23/2020 11:35:06 PM

Well, finally some good news which I am sure WIX agrees with.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 7:55:17 AM (updated 6/24/2020 7:59:06 AM)

This was a Jussie Smollet-like hoax and he should be ejected.....but he won't because they fear the mob and the woke corporate sponsors.  What a thoroughly despicable thing to do on the part of the driver.  It's situations like this that make people doubt every story like this and for good reason.  He should apologize but we know he won't and the craven Nascar officials won't either.  I am so sick and tired of the crap like this from snowflakes that see bad intent in the most innocent things.  Shame on you Bubba.  Shame on Nascar.

And to repeat for the sake of Goofy because it is oh so true.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 8:03:24 AM (updated 6/24/2020 8:06:00 AM)

The most despicable act was going on CNN last night AFTER the FBI released the truth on the matter still trying to claim it was an attack against him.  I will give the guy the benifit of the doubt for the initial reaction but to continue ofter photo and vidieo of it in place last October is just race baiting on his part.  You are correct though, the whole event will be memory holed now. 

BTW- He never even saw the noose.  If you feel threatened by a random garage door rope then you are to big a pussy to drive in NASCAR IMO.

Name:	Old Diver -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 8:15:42 AM

If you look it up you will see that many, many of these racial threats and slurs were false flag by blacks themselves to drum up the crowd. Sure hope none of these guys get on my boat. I have several ropes tied in a loop! 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 8:36:06 AM (updated 6/24/2020 8:36:50 AM)

Saw that too - "I did not see the noose, did not know about the noose that has been there for over a year - but I was as scared."  It is all about publicity.  If enough fans decide to no longer buy tickets, and I am pretty sure that people who did not go before are not going to become fans and start buying tickets - that might cut into their bottom line and maybe NASCAR will rethink their knee jerks(but probably not, they will double down just like the Bubba did.)

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It's not the tickets that matter
Date:	6/24/2020 8:45:43 AM

Apparently Nascar has the most loyal fans of any sport when it comes to buying the products that sponsor the drivers.  So if the Nascar fans wnat to put an end to this crap they need to not buy any of the products made by sponsors of that driver. 

It's always the money.....  That is what all this is about.....not alienating the woke corporate sponsors.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	It's not the tickets that matter
Date:	6/24/2020 9:20:09 AM

agree - tickets are a small potion of the income.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	It's not the tickets that matter
Date:	6/24/2020 10:30:16 AM

He's the Krapeneck of NASCAR.  I think their brand value will harmed long term.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 12:34:14 PM

I'm not so sure that he was behind it, but perhaps he went along with it at the behest of BLM, now that they are a sponsor of his car.  NASCAR got a lot of publicity out of it too - to change their image as a "racist" sport.  I have a feeling the whole thing was staged.  

As far as the Confederate flag - I think manufacturers should stop making them and selling them.  The Civil War is over.  Just like in Germany - no one there is making or selling Nazi flags.  It's time to put an end to this deliberate kind of race baiting.  You can talk all you want about your "hertiage" and all that other BS, but you know damn well what that flag stands for, and it really has no place in our society now.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 12:34:56 PM

I'm not so sure that he was behind it, but perhaps he went along with it at the behest of BLM, now that they are a sponsor of his car.  NASCAR got a lot of publicity out of it too - to change their image as a "racist" sport.  I have a feeling the whole thing was staged.  

As far as the Confederate flag - I think manufacturers should stop making them and selling them.  The Civil War is over.  Just like in Germany - no one there is making or selling Nazi flags.  It's time to put an end to this deliberate kind of race baiting.  You can talk all you want about your "hertiage" and all that other BS, but you know damn well what that flag stands for, and it really has no place in our society now.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 12:37:06 PM

I'm not so sure that he was behind it, but perhaps he went along with it at the behest of BLM, now that they are a sponsor of his car.  NASCAR got a lot of publicity out of it too - to change their image as a "racist" sport.  I have a feeling the whole thing was staged.  

As far as the Confederate flag - I think manufacturers should stop making them and selling them.  The Civil War is over.  Just like in Germany - no one there is making or selling Nazi flags.  It's time to put an end to this deliberate kind of race baiting.  You can talk all you want about your "hertiage" and all that other BS, but you know damn well what that flag stands for, and it really has no place in our society now.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 2:22:41 PM

It's a funny thing about the Confederate flag with me, a northerner.  I never saw the flag as a symbol of racism.  I saw it as a symbol of pride in the southern states and states rights against an imperial Federal government.  I understand the history and I am sure there are people that view it purely from the lens of salvery and racism and I can appreciate that view.  I've just never seen it that way and that's why I am agnostic about it.  But banning the flag does nothing to change people's hearts which is what is needed to combat racism.  But at the end of the day it will never go away altogether because of our fallen nature.  It's what I felt about the protests, even the peaceful ones.  It doesn't change anything and is an exercise in mindless virtue signaling.

However, I also am a big believer that you cannot allow history to be erased or we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.  Slavery is a part of our history and for sure the worst part.......but it is what happened, we fought a war over it and to maintain the Union and in my opinion the correct side won even though it set the concept of state's rights down the drain and we are now seeing the result of that paradigm shift.  So maybe we should let people that want to fly the Confederate flag fly it and I suspect over time you will see less and less of that.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 3:25:25 PM

Now tell us how you really feel, lol.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	He should be banned
Date:	6/24/2020 4:52:46 PM

The slow forum strikes again...and again...and again......  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Yankees are not....
Date:	6/24/2020 8:02:11 PM

Allowed to have an opinion on matters of Southern Heritage.  Your visa can be revoked!!!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry
Date:	6/24/2020 8:33:26 PM

My computer has been acting up.  Sometimes it acts like it won't post and then it posts multiples

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry
Date:	6/24/2020 8:39:04 PM

Happens to me frequently, and as MM said the forum moved at a pace of about one picometer per fortnight at times today.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Yankees are not....
Date:	6/24/2020 8:46:55 PM

What is the Southern Hertiage you are so proud of?  The South lost the war and lost slavery.  That is the ultimate truth about the South.  The Civil War has been over for well over 100 years.  The South was segregated and fought against integration.  It is the birthplace of the civil rights movement, beating people senseless on the Pettis Bridge.  Blew up a church in B'ham and killed children.  So what exactly is ths Southern Heritage you think should be preserved? Racism?  

Like MM, I personally have no feelings about the Confederate flag.  It's meaningless to me.  But why continue to perserve it and wave it around?  It belongs in a history museum.  

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry
Date:	6/24/2020 10:26:16 PM

Are you sure it's the computer?  Just asking.  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Yankees are not....
Date:	6/24/2020 10:29:19 PM

Yes, I am proud of my Southern Heritage, and yes, I understand why someone like you would not understand.  My ancestors came to the South in the early 1700s, settled here and built a heritage...no, you wouldn't understand.  My great grandfather died as a soldier during the War Between the States.  Does the South mean a lot to me, yes it does, and it means a lot to many, many other people in the South.  Is the South about slavery, as you stated....absolutely not....I never met a slave...have you?  You have no concept or understanding of anything you post about....it must be a lonely world.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry
Date:	6/25/2020 9:56:11 AM

It's not your computer.  The forum was really slow yesterday and when you hit post multiple times because you think it isn't responding it actually saves those clicks and posts it multiple times.  Not you, not your computer and not operator error.  I have taken to looking at the tab to see if the site is responding before I assume I missed my click.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Yankees are not....
Date:	6/25/2020 10:09:06 AM

My view is there is a lot to be proud of about the south.  Remember, history is written by the winners.  Most of those that fought in the Civil War for the south were poor and never owned a slave in their lives.  Many fought over states rights versus an imperial Federal govt.  There is a reason it is called the "United" States and our form of government is based on the concept of Federalism, we are a Republic and not a democracy where you can have the tyranny of the majority.  So many in the south fought out of loyalty to their state which they viewed as being forced to do something by the Federal gov't they did not want to do and that involved way more than just slavery. 

Lincoln wisely made the seminal issue of the Civil War about slavery as it would provide him with a moral imperative to preserve the union.  Had the fight just been about a state's right to set its own course and make its own decisions he would have never gotten broad support in the northern states who at the time felt the same way.  There was no dominant Federal govt at that time.  Most of the lawmaking and enforcement happened at the state level.  Some would argue that Lincoln was a terrible President because he crushed the idea of Federalism and opened the door to the kind of Federal govt we have today.  Big, bloated, bureaucratic and involved in every aspect of our lives...not what the Founders intended.  I often wonder if there could have been a different path to ending slavery that didn't involve war but that's not going to change anything....it happened and is a part of our history.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Yankees are not....
Date:	6/25/2020 12:27:47 PM

I don't have a lonely world.  Where I am from, we have a hertiage of the Revolutionary War.  Plenty of history.  My family has been here for generations and generations.  

I think you can celebrate your "Southern Heritage" without waving around a Confederate Flag.  My family also fought in the Civil War, but for the North.  Yet I don't find any particular need to embrace it, even though the North won.  

While you may have never met a slave - nor have I, you have been around long enough to see segregation and the civil rights movement.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry
Date:	6/25/2020 11:00:21 PM

I'm probably just really impatient and then I hit the post button because I get no indication that the post is actually going to post.  But my husband claims that I repeat myself  - sometimes  I am thinking about telling him something and can't remember if I actually told him or if I just thought about telling him.  I'm convinced he reads my mind.