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lotowner
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 8:17:47 AM
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Our Commander in Chief has now decided that we only consider N Korea and Iran as nations we "might" respond with a nuclear attack. All others can attack us with biological and other means of mass destruction and we will "NOT' use our nuclear weapons. We always announce in advance what our military strategy is.
In Afghanistan we give 3 months notice of the area for military action and will not attack civilian houses even though insurgents are shooting from the house. And, if our military personnel "slaps" a combatant, we will court martial.
"Ain't it great" that a community organizer with associates from Chicago that "hate" this country is in charge of our military strategy. Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, and others are mighty proud of their man from Chicago.
Question for some on this forum - would you still "vote for change you can believe in" knowing what you know now?
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MartiniMan
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It's even worse.....the world upside down
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4/6/2010 9:32:56 AM
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Despite all the hype it is now apparent that Jimmy Carter will be easily supplanted as the worst President in the last 100 years by dear leader. I could recount all the grievous errors they have made vis-a-vis foreign policy but I will limit it to the big ones:
1) feckless against Iran's march to nuclear weapons and further instability in the Middle East;
2) embracing (or bowing) to our enemies and being adversarial to our allies;
3) Karzai now indicating he may join the Taliban;
4) giving up a large stockpile of nuclear weapons in a treaty with Russia in which we get nothing in return...not one thing;
5) being told to pound sand by two bit dictators like Castro and Chavez and taking it like a bunch of wimps;
Oh I could go on and on but what is the point? A wise man once said that a presidency is often determined by factors beyond its borders and I think this will be the case with the current administration. I now understand why we are less respected in the world today that under W. Hopeless and change for the worse....
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| Name: |
MAJ USA RET
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Fear This... please
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4/6/2010 11:44:07 AM
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I am th' meanest, nastiest, dog on the block... would you like to see my new muzzle?
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Talullahhound
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 3:42:50 PM
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I'm not really sure who we have been targeting with our nuclear weapons since we pointed them away from Russia. Those two countries, Iran and North Korea, are the only two countries who refuse to enter into any kind of nuclear treaty. And they consistently seek nuclear materials on the black market. Are you really afraid of a nuclear attack? I'm more worried that China and other debt holders are going to call in debt. Or that Russia will stop selling of oil. Now that is something to fear.
This thing with Karzai -- you recall that he was "our guy" in Afghanistan under the Bush administration. We made sure he got in -- not because we loved him, but because he was the best of a lousy group of potential leaders. We've always know he is corrupt and the Obama Administration has been pressing him on it. The Bush Administration would have done the same by now, because you remember when they were pushing the Iraqi government? Same kind of pushback. Karzai is just posturing hoping they will back off. My bet is he will be out of there within months. Even his own people don't like him, and outside the capital, no one really cares about a strong central government. Seems that we're the only ones who think that Afghanistan should have a strong central government, despite the fact they never had one before the Taliban took over.
So I don't think you can lay the Karzai issue on Obama's lap. It's more like the natural progression of things.
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Lifer
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 4:19:58 PM
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O should certainly KNOW corruption, since he is leading the most corrupt regime in the history of this country.
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| Name: |
widgethater
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 5:11:15 PM
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lifer-- you said it!!(true)
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Talullahhound
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 5:24:19 PM
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You both have been mainlining Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh (when is he moving to Costa Rica).
You know, I'm having some work done on my house. And the stone masons are listening to some kind of Right Wing radio. It isn't Rush, but it could have been. I was out cleaning my car, and had about an hour to listen to the hate and distrust, and anti-government sentiment this particular station was putting out. I figure that these workers are listening to this stuff 8 hours a day. Brainwashing people. People who probably have never been out of the South and have no idea about the larger world and how complex some of these policies are. It made me feel rather sick, and really I found it rather frightening. The hate that is being bred; the distrust. It was almost "Hitler-esque"
That may be the world you want to live in, but that's not the world I want. Not the US I grew up in, either.
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au67
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 5:32:02 PM
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"People who probably have never been out of the South and have no idea about the larger world..."
That statement says more about you than them!
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MartiniMan
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 6:11:58 PM
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Hound, I think you would agree that some guy on a radio show is a far cry from a government like Germany prior to and during WWII. If you think its the same thing you sre clearly unhinged. Not to mention I don't recall your concern about all the hatred toward Bush being spewed by the left on the radio and TV (including an entire movied fantasizing about his assination)....but then sgsin you probably agreed with them so it didn't exactly strike you as "Hitler-esque". Funny about beauty or ugliness being in the eyes of the beholder....
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MrHodja
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 6:37:56 PM
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Maybe our Government, in its present form and direction, has outlived its usefulness. Maybe it is time that the people regain control. At a minimum that starts in November.
And how quickly you forget (if you ever noticed) the vehemence of the lefties when Bush was in office.
Face it, you are a big Government lover. Period. Obama loves big Government, so you love Obama. You dislike McCain because you think he would be as two-faced as we know Obama is.
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Talullahhound
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 7:49:12 PM
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Not really. I see it all the time.
It's not just the South -- I know people that have never traveled out of the Northeast. I guarentee you that they have no idea that there is more to the South than Rednecks and hound dogs.
That's why travel is so important, and why the military is such a great opportunity for young people.
When everyone around you thinks just the way you do, well, you never get a chance to experience another perspective, do you?
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Talullahhound
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 7:56:57 PM
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I guess I was thinking about the tone of the hatred against the Jews. I wasn't likening our country to pre-WW II. Okay, I'll give you another example -- Rwanda. Certain people took advantage of fears and some long standing political situations and through repetition drummed up a genocide.
Now MM, I know a lot about Rwanda and it's history. But when hate and distrust and blame is continually reinforced, the psychological results can be devastating.
What about Eastern Europe?
I don't like hatred no matter who is spouting it. I'm fine with difference of opinion, different politics, different visions. But to repeatedly play on people's fears and create hatred is just wrong no matter who is doing it. What I heard the other day went way beyond prompting a political solution by voting their beliefs.
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Talullahhound
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New Nuclear Policy
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4/6/2010 8:03:25 PM
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You are wrong. I'm not a big government lover. But I realize the necessity for government regulatory process. You know, I used to have retired military guys (many of whom were good friends) say to me "you know I would never do anything to hurt the US." and my response is "yes, I believe that about you personally, but your company? No way. I could tell you so many horror stories. You just can't count on corporate culture to do the right thing.
And yes, I believe our country is changing, but we probably wouldn't agree on how. And as far as the Republicans sweeping the next election? I think it is possible, but it won't be because people think they have the solutions -- it'll be because the people have little patience for lengthy processes for economic recovery. It may be different, but it won't necessarily be better.
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MrHodja
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Count My Company Out
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4/6/2010 9:59:06 PM
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We are about 40,000 strong, and our motto is DELIGHT THE CUSTOMER. That is what we are all about and our US company (the international segment we can't control and in fact are not allowed to talk to) is all about giving value in return for our Government customer dollar. Maybe that is why we have grown exponentially.
So don't paint all companies with the same brush, because if you do you are being naive. Yes, I am one of those retired military guys, and yes, I am still serving my country although not on active duty -- I just have to decide what to wear to work every day. I know where the dollars in my paycheck come from -- the American taxpayer - and I try my level best to give the taxpayer his or her due. I could probably name the companies you refer to, because indeed I share your opinion that some of them are corrupt, unethical, and downright evil. But the Government keeps coming back to them. Why? Because the Government workers are too incompetent, inept, or lazy to stand up to them. They take a mid-level person and slap the "Program Manager" moniker on them and turn them over to the wolves. I have seen it with my own two eyes, and in fact have worked extra hard in one case to right a wrong perpetrated by one of our competitors.
By the way, Hound, who paid your salary all those years? I'll tell you in case you can't come up with it on your own. It wasn't the government. It was I , as well as MartiniMan, Lifer, Barneget, Mack, Lakngulf, and just about everyone else on this forum.
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Talullahhound
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Count My Company Out
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4/6/2010 10:28:20 PM
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I'm not painting all companies with the same brush. There are good companies. I've worked with companies that were earnest in their dedication to doing the right thing. Unfortunately, the ones that stand out in memory are the ones that have no ethics.
I'm not in a position to judge your company -- in fact, I'm not clear what it is your company does, but I assume some sort of government support?
Yup, there are government people who are lazy and inept and also ones that are trying to do the right thing, if only they knew what that was. I can name several large programs where I saw that. I think you would agree that all government workers are not inherently bad, and all contractors are not inherently good.
and sometimes good people get caught in a bad situation.
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I'm well aware who was paying my salary. That's why I worked 14 hour days, answered my phones, gave out information and tried to be as helpful as I could, worked out meetings and generally did everything I could within the constraints of the law.
I took being a public servant very seriously. Public service meant a lot to me. It certainly wasn't just a paycheck.
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MrHodja
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Count My Company Out
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4/6/2010 11:02:53 PM
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When I hired on the company had been wrapped up in that consarned leveraged buyout craze of the mid-80s and as a result one of the first things I was faced with after hiring on in 1989 was a bankruptcy announcement. I thought "what the he!! did I just get myself into?". But the CEO had a plan, rid the company of the parts it really shouldn't have bought anyway, traded debt for stock, and came out strong. Then it bought a company twice its size. Then it bought others -- but unlike the leveraged buyout days they were acquisitions of companies within the core line of business. Soon after, it was purchased by a British company and a foreign-owned US company was formed. That lasted about a year, then we were purchased by a larger international (UK-based) firm. Again, we are a US company, but foreign owned. We have (and I am sure you are aware of this) a special security arrangement that firewalls us from our international brethren - thus allowing us to carry very high security clearances.
But the bottom line is this. We aren't a (I just can't bring myself to name the 8astards). We pride ourselves on providing a fair product for a fair wage. We aren't the biggest, but are getting closer and the real biggies better watch out, because we have a plan and intend to execute.
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Talullahhound
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Count My Company Out
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4/7/2010 8:57:34 AM
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Sounds like a well managed company that had/has a smart CEO. Sounds like the company had a vision.
Yeah, I know about firewalls. There are a lot of people in government that are deeply suspicious of firewalls, but in reality they've become a way of life and can work effectively when the company is committed.
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MartiniMan
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Rwanda?!?!?
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4/7/2010 12:09:54 PM
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Wow, now you are comparing this to the long-term animus between the Hutu's and the Tutsi's?!?! So the radio host was promoting genocide against Dems? He was urging his listeners to get their machete's, paint their faces and take to the streets and hack them to death? Wow! I would like to know who this radio host is as I am amazed this wasn't picked up by the government media.
Once again you are lecturing us all on your vast knowledge of Rwanda and making a corollary between some guy on the radio and a wealthy, well educated minority (Tutsi's) being brutally attacked by the less educated, poorer majority (Hutu's). I admit that my knowledge is limited to reading a book and listening to a talk at a conference by a survivor.
But with that limited knowledge it seems to me an incredible stretch at best, more likely a complete non-sequitar.
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Talullahhound
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Rwanda?!?!?
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4/8/2010 8:57:47 PM
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The radio broadcasts were instrumental in the lead up to the genocide. NO, they didn't start out saying that the Hutu's should pick up machete's against the Tusi. It doesn't start with violence, but that's the end result.
In the early days, Hitler wasn't advocating killing Jews either.
But in both instances, one group played on situation and the fears of another.
I'm sorry I can't tell you which radio station it was. No, they weren't advocating violence at this point. If it had, I would have made a phone call to the FBI.
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Lifer
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Hey MM
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4/9/2010 1:18:43 PM
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I am betting she got introduced the "The High Priest of the Church of the Painful Truth", our local radio hero , Mr. Neal Boortz. He is about the only one that could raise someones ire so much with only one exposure.
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