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water_watcher
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 6:42:14 AM
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This article is so funny to read ... gee I wonder which side the author is on.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44713323/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
I say, way to go Alabama ... it now give Obama another state to file suit against ... while he is out there talking about is fake jobs bill. For those that say ... well no one else wants to do the work illegals in the state do ... that is a bunch of bull crap. It may be that they do not want to work that hard for that pay ... it is too easy to get government aide and do nothing instead. The issue is being here illegally ... if they want to come legally and take those jobs ... great ... otherwise let americans and individuals on legal visa take them.
I can not understand anyone that has opposition to making sure people are in this country legally, and if the feds will not do it, then the states should. It helps national security, jobs, healthcare costs, crime, etc. There is not a valid downside.
I am sure there are states that do not care, like California, so the illegals can leave the states that do care and go there. You can see what great shape California is in from their liberal policies.
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Talullahhound
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 8:13:56 AM
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What did you find funny about it?
I've often wondered just how big a problem illegal immigration is in Alabama. Is it on the same scale as the Southwest and California? Is it primarily in the agriculture sector?
Clearly, we need a national policy and legislation on illegals and in the face of the lack of such, I can't blame states for trying to deal with the problem.
I don't agree with you that the jobs that illegals fill are going to be filled by legals or unemployed Americans. But that doesn't mean that we should ignore the illegal problem.
I'm sure there are those who will see the potential for racial profiling in the new law. As with anything else, the devil will be in the details as to how the law is implemented. We don't want to create a police state where certain groups have to continually keep their papers on them just to prove that they are legal, just based on the way they look or their name.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out, and no doubt their will be additional court challenges.
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Lifer
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 9:37:43 AM
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Why shouldn't they have to 'keep papers' to prove they are legal? I do. You do. What other country in the world can you go go to and NOT be required to have official documentation on who you are and where you belong!?
I also love the language all you 'progressives' choose to use.... keep papers???? Summons up an image of an SS guard walking to and fro on the trains and platforms saying 'papers please' as we've all seen in movies.
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Barneget
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 9:45:12 AM
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Employing illegals in Alabama was not confined to agriculture. The bricklayers and roofers on a construction project adjacent to one store are all without papers, the detail crew at a service center nearby another store are all illegal, the grounds crew tending to the common area maintenance at another store are each and every one, here without visas. Yet another group that used to do the CAM and golf course landscape is now employed by a Kia supplier. Oh, can't forget the busboys and kitchen help at the Chinese buffet. This I know as fact as I enjoy an ongoing business and conversational relationship with them. A couple of them have already said this is their last week here, that they are packing up and heading home. Each referenced above holds a job that requires a minimal amount of training. I have seen estimates of 185,000 illegals in Alabama, and 250,000 unemployed. In a perfect world, that would reduce the numbrer of Alabama unemployed to about 65,000. In a AFDC, SNAP, Section 8, utility assistance, free school meals, multiple job training program, daycare, WIC, 99ers, free cell phone world, I can't begin to estimate the impact.
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MrHodja
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 10:06:41 AM
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I have a friend who owns a Mexican restaurant. He is having a terrible time finding help that will be willing to work at a fair wage. The legal immigrants who are willing to work have figured out that they can demand a higher wage because of their status and the lack of an abundant cheap work force of illegals.
And the natural born citizens aren't intereted in the jobs because they actually have to work for their paycheck instead of having it handed to them on a silver platter with a "poor baby, here, take some of the rich folks' money"
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Talullahhound
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 10:36:06 AM
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What papers do you carry with you daily that prove you are a US Citizen?
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Talullahhound
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 10:48:13 AM
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More likely, the restaurant owner doesn't want to hire legals because he has to pay them minimum wage, and adhere to US labor laws. But, he's probably not going to tell you that.
I agree that there are segments of the population that have gotten used to handouts and are going to do anything they can to keep from having to work. Some of them are legal citizens and some are illegals that have found a way to work the system.
But, I don't think you can count on a lot of legals stepping up to take the jobs vacated by illegals. Lots of people would not work work in those industries no matter what -- and not just people on public assistance. I would wager that half of the people on unemployment right now are there, not because they cannot find any job, but because they won't work for minimum wage or at those kinds of service jobs.
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Barneget
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reading between the lines
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9/30/2011 11:07:11 AM
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Hound, did you just say work, hunt or starve?
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| Name: |
Talullahhound
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 3:30:05 PM
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More or less. I have a problem with people taking unemployment when there are jobs available. A woman I know (another state) got laid off last year and was offered a job at Walmart, but she turned it down because she would make more collecting unemployment. Lots of people seem to think it is a right and won't even consider taking a job as long as they can collect.
I was raised to think that any employment was good employment, that no job was beneath me and my only obligation was to do the best job I could, no matter what the job.
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water_watcher
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 6:06:57 PM
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It should be as simple as a green card or even if you have DL some sort of verification. Anyone that would potentially be questioned, should carry proof. No different than if I was in Italy and have to carry a passport everywhere. And I am sure with all your international travels you had proof with you everywhere you went that you had a visa.
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water_watcher
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 6:12:56 PM
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Agree on that one 100%. That is why we should not keep extending unemployment. I know some would be hurt, but there are jobs available and the economy will not start moving until more are working ... then the better jobs will be available again. Too many are like your friend ... then won't take something less than before as long as they keep getting unemployment.
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Talullahhound
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AL Immigration Law
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9/30/2011 11:37:54 PM
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Yes, of course, overseas I have always had my passport with me.
But, here at home, on a day to day basis, the only thing I carry is my driver's license.
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water_watcher
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AL Immigration Law
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10/1/2011 6:57:21 AM
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so why would it be too much to ask someone from another country to carry proper papers here?
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Talullahhound
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AL Immigration Law
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10/1/2011 8:28:33 AM
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Maybe it wouldn't be. Of course, it could get cumbersome if they actually lived her. I've never actually been stopped in a foreign country and asked to prove who I was and where I was from (except in passport control)
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4691
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AL Immigration Law
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10/1/2011 8:50:10 AM
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Go Alabama! If all states adopted similar laws removing the free benefit magnets for illegals AND imposing penalties on legals (mainly business) that take advantage of the cheap labor the problem would be substantially reduced. The Alabama Republicans got it right on this one. If only the other southern states would show some backbone the states could take on the federal government as a block. Of course one consequence will be higher prices, but that will be based on fair and legal market conditions and not skewed by illegal labor.
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water_watcher
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AL Immigration Law
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10/1/2011 1:08:31 PM
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And they won't be here. Only when they do something wrong, apply for government services, want health care, enroll in schools ... all things as tax payers we would subsidize. I welcome the diversity of cultures ... it is what makes America great ... just be here legally. If farmers need workers, there are ways to bring seasonal workers in to assist.
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