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MartiniMan
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Evidence why the GOP is better
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12/17/2010 8:26:28 AM
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Finally some proof that despite their numerous warts the GOP is much better suited to govern than the Democrats. Evidence the recent spending bill put forth by the Democrat-led lame duck Congress that Harry Reid has finally pulled because it can't pass. A $1.27T monstrosity filled with pork and wasteful spending out the ying yang. Obviously the bill wasn't all bad but it turned into an amendment orgy of spending fantasies by Democrats, and sadly some Republicans as well. This was their last effort to bankrupt the country before we get some fiscal sanity back in charge in 2011. Why they had to wait until after the elections to take up this spending bill is no secret. They knew it would be wildly unpopular with the voters and they also knew that they would not get the support of fiscally conservative Democrats running for reelection. But they miscalculated in thinking they could get those votes after the blue dogs were booted from elective office by a public fed up with their malfeasance. Not to be........
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GoneFishin
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12/17/2010 2:16:28 PM
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One of the reasons for pulling it had nothing to do with votes but rather DeMints request that the 1900 pages be read. This would prevent other issues that Reid wants to bring up like Don't Ask, Start Treaty, and the Dream Act.
Personally, I am glad it was pulled so we can see what can be done next term with earmarks and the deficit.
Here is an exerpt from the Washington Examiner. I am surprised to see Paul's name on it. O'Connell is one of the senators who was requesting an earmark.
Washington Examiner
In the 2011 House budget, the groups found that House Democrats requested 18,189 earmarks, which would cost the taxpayers a total of $51.7 billion, while House Republicans requested just 241 earmarks, for a total of $1 billion.
Where did those GOP earmark requests come from? Just four Republican lawmakers: South Carolina Rep. Henry Brown, who did not run for re-election this year; Louisiana Rep. Joseph Cao, who lost his bid for re-election; maverick Texas Rep. Ron Paul; and spending king Rep. Don Young of Alaska. The other Republican members of the House -- 174 of them -- requested a total of zero earmarks.
The Senate is a different story. But even though some Republicans are still seeking earmarks, Democrats are by far the bigger spenders. The watchdog groups found that Democrats requested 15,133 earmarks for 2011, for a total of $54.9 billion, while Republicans requested 5,352 earmarks, for a total of $22 billion.
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MrHodja
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12/17/2010 4:44:00 PM
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I wonder if those figures are somehow cumulative, because all the press I see lately lists the total earmark value at about $8B,
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MartiniMan
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12/17/2010 5:07:49 PM
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What I heard this morning is that the current bill was actually drafted in February by Inohue (sp?) and that all the earmarks in their from Republicans were "old". I took that to mean submitted before they got religion on the issue of earmarks. Not sure if that's true but it is interesting that the original bill comes from last winter and is only now being brought up for a vote. I had not heard that Reid claimed it was so they could pass other bills but that probably makes sense. I was glad DeMint forced the reading, especially after hearing several Senators say there was no way to read the bill before passing it. Maybe if they do that with every bill they won't be 2,000 pages of incomprehensible gobblygook (a highly technical term).
I too am surprised that Ron Paul had an earmark in there. Either way its a bad idea to saddle the new Congress with a one year spending bill, especially with all the pork in there. Better to let the new congress hash it out which will probably make sausage making pale in comparison.
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GoneFishin
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12/17/2010 5:35:56 PM
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I really wonder if any of them would really read a 2,000 page bill, understand it, and make notes to ask on the floor. I assume there are summaries by their staff or staffs work together to summerize. This is not the only bill pending. Many of them are not wizards with finance and I doubt can understand the detailed items. I am sure no president has ever read the entire budget and understood it. After all, they are just humans. Repub and Dems alike.
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MartiniMan
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Maybe think about it another way
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12/18/2010 12:44:03 PM
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The question in my mind is whether these bills need to be 2,000 pages and complex. I know why they are, because they are written by a bunch of lawyers on the staff. Maybe if our representatives were forced to read these bills they would tell their staffers to make them short and to the point. I know, call me a dreamer......
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