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PC Al
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FEB - Found your lot?
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8/19/2006 4:27:50 PM
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FEB,
Finally got around to riding down and I think I found your lot. Had a small dozer and a trackhoe parked there. Had cut into the bank for basement or lower level and lot is steep on the opposite side from the lake and a flat pier on the water. Also, last lot on the left into the slough with a big A-frame across water and down a little. Am I right?
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Feb
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FEB - Found your lot?
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8/19/2006 4:56:31 PM
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Yes Sir Re, I think you got it. I certainly apppreciate the post since I was not expecting any excavation work to start until next week. You just made my day. The new lake house will have a walk out basement with three sets of french doors and windows in the basement toward the lake.
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PC Al
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FEB - Found your lot?
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8/19/2006 5:33:28 PM
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Glad I got it right. Good spot. Looks like a nice, quiet lot and I love having the woods around you. I have the same thing. You will have the critters visiting every night, but I like that part too. I am trying to catch a raccoon now that is robbing my bird feeders every night. He is much too smart for me. He trips my trap then reaches in from the side and robs my food. I also see the problem with the septic system. I told you once before that I have to pump up hill, but we built in ’99 and have had no problems. Good luck with the Coosa County lady.
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Feb
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FEB - Found your lot?
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8/19/2006 6:03:21 PM
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We passed the perc test, and I understand there should be not any problems. We could of been Grandfathered in with the old system but felt better in many ways by putting in a new system. Like you, we really enjoy the serenity of this part of the Lake. The critters will not be new to us since we have coons, possums, deer and every kind of bird you can imagine here in VA. The urban pressure has pushed most if not all the black bear out this immediate area. Thanks again.
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Harborcon
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FEB - Found your lot?
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8/21/2006 1:04:43 PM
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We are going through the new septic system process right now. Does anyone know of any benefit to be had from installing a new system uphill? We have plenty of room for a new, larger tank (we have a 600 gallon and I believe they said we needed to go to 1,000) and field lines to go down slope between the cabin and the lake. The extra $1,000+/- (probably +) and opportunity for problems with a pump seem pointless without some compelling reason to go up the hill. We've passed the perk tests for both uphill and downhill, just have to find someone to fill in the old well (not used since we went on city water back in the early 80's, but apparently a requirement, as we are presently "illegal," whatever that means)
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Feb
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FEB - Found your lot?
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8/21/2006 1:23:50 PM
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I would start by going to talk to whoever handles the approval in your county. Personal opinion, I would recommend staying away from pumping uphill if at all possible. It is more expensive for the system to start, and I have heard aggravating to maintain and a lot of problems. I think PC Al says they pump uphill and have had not problems. Maybe technology has gotten better. I can not help but believe if you are adding more to the system like an additional pump or grinder then you wil eventually have mechanical problems. Mechanical things eventually break. I have heard of a new system that is now available that goes thru three stages or tanks or something of the sort. I am sure your County represenative can fill you in on the details.
I have been told the perculation (perc) test laws are more stringent now. You might want to determine whether yours past the old test or new test. I think it has to do with testing in five holes as opposed to the old three, but I am not sure of the details. I believe at least one hole is filled with gravel for the testing. Do not take my ignorance as knowledge and go see the approval authority. I do know it takes time. I am building a new place and I wanted a new system. Makes no sense to put in new landscaping and then dig it up with a septic problem plus I was concerned about the environment with a very old system.
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PC Al
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Another Two Cents
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8/21/2006 3:21:26 PM
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Two more cents. As FEB said, we do pump uphill, but when I built in ’99, we were on well water and I had no choice. Field lines had to be something like 50’ from full pool line, 50’ or more from well, and I think at least 30’ from any drainage ditch leading to lake. The system I had to put in consist of two fiberglass tanks (I think 500 gal. each). The sewer line from the house drains into the first tank. As it fills up, liquid gravity flows into the second tank, thus keeping solids in the first tank. The pump is in the second tank which pumps the liquids uphill. I had no choice. Sometime in the future, I am going to have to dig a hole in my nice, green grass and pump the solids from the first tank. Just hope it is not in the near future. Bottom line, I too would have preferred to let gravity do it’s course. Since I had to have the well water at the time, uphill I went. Now, thanks to Mr. Henley, we are on city water and I too could fill in my well. But, since I keep it active, just in case, I would hate to do that also. This is my seventh summer and no problems. But who knows? It would be a hard choice for me, simply because I want to keep the well, just in case.
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Osms
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Septic uphill...
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8/21/2006 3:49:23 PM
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If they'll let you, use gravity, but I had to pump effluent (septic tank down the hill --field lines up the hill) up the hill because the hill is too steep. No problems. I would avoid the grinder pump (septic tank and field lines up the hill) if possible. Those will give more problems because you're pumping solids.
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BigFoot
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Another Two Cents
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8/21/2006 4:24:00 PM
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...and my .02 makes .04.................I had always heard that you could not run field lines between your house and the lake.....perhaps your footage
requirements as stated might be more accurate. Obviously, every configuration known to man can be found on LM(and most other lakes for that matter) including the old fashioned run it straight out of the pipe onto the ground. I would definitely check the legality/permissibility given your proximity to the 490 shoreline if using the gravity system.
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dagwood
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Septic uphill...
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8/21/2006 4:59:27 PM
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I had to have a pump/grinding station installed when I bought my house in 2001. I would avoid it like the plague. After 3 yrs. the grinder blades dulled and kept siezing up. That means pumping out the tank, and pulling it out to free it. It kept doing the same thing about every 2 weeks and I ended up having to spend $800 for a new pump and install it myself. Hurricane Ivan comes along and I am without power for 10 days. No pumping and you can imagine the mess after 10 days of raw sewage running into your yard in 90 degree weather. Nothing simpler than a well installed septic tank. I wonder what idiot comes up with these hairbrained environmental solutions.
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Osms
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Septic uphill...
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8/21/2006 7:18:00 PM
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All of the houses in The Ridge have to have grinder pumps.
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roswellric
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That's
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8/22/2006 8:06:46 AM
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because it is a real sewer system, albeit low pressure, and that's why you have to have the Cuisinart on your end. I have a regular septic tank with a lift station sans the grinder and it works just fine....after I had to competely rewire the installers idea of electrical theory. (Hey Me! Don't get me started.....)
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Harborcon
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Septic uphill...
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8/22/2006 10:29:32 AM
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well, they did 4 perc tests - two uphill and two down. And apparently, we are approved to go downhill (the cabin sits on the high side of center of about an acre, so I guess we are far enough away from full pool for the field lines), but have to fill the well because the field lines are within 50' of the well. Now, understand, this well has not been in use or connected to anything since 1980, but there you go. It's my understanding that we have the option for uphill or down. We have been approved by the Tallapoosa County lady (I guess that's where she is - it's where we are). Dagwood's story makes my hair stand on end (not a pretty sight). We have talked to A&M plumbing about installing the system. Anyone got any first-hand positive experience with any other septic installers?
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fountain
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Septic uphill...
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8/22/2006 11:22:55 AM
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TRIPLE A ---Very happy with the work they did for us.
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roswellric
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Septic uphill...
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8/22/2006 1:59:48 PM
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Be very very careful. Get references. Lots of them. Talk to people who they have installed for.
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Maverick
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Septic Tank Contractor
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8/22/2006 3:10:03 PM
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Neighbor has been on the lake for 40+ years and will only use Archer. Think his name is Leon Archer.
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roswellric
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Septic Tank Contractor
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8/22/2006 3:20:11 PM
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Like I said..check the references on anyone real hard.
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Harborcon
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Septic Tank Contractor
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8/22/2006 4:32:52 PM
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Archer has pumped out our tank every year (sometimes twice a year) for at least the last 7 years. When I called A&M (whose name I got from the LM website) to solve a misdirected water line problem (and that's a whole 'nother story!), I asked if they did septic work. Not only did they do it, they discovered a broken terra cotta pipe from the house to the tank. The only time we had a problem was when one of the partners had his annual family gathering and had about 10 people in the little cabin for an extended stay. Every year, he'd have to call Archer to pump out the tank. Now we find out there was a broken pipe and lots of dirt, leaves, roots, etc., blocking the way. For two or three folks on the weekend, it wasn't a problem, but 10 people make a lot of poop. No problem since we had the pipe replaced, but we also discovered (from A&M) that there is a problem with the angle or something that doesn't let gravity do what it's supposed to do. Anyway, we gotta replace it. So far, we have been very pleased with A&M. The main thing is THEY SHOWED UP WHEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD SHOW UP TO GIVE THE ESTIMATE. The second thing is THEY SHOWED UP TO DO THE JOB WHEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD SHOW UP TO DO THE JOB. Believe me, after putting a total of $7,000 into what should have been a $2500 roof, I have learned to check licenses, registrations, BBB and now, this Forum!
URL: connie@shawanderson.com
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Osms
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Septic Tank Contractor
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8/22/2006 7:47:28 PM
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Leon Archer may be the best in the world, but he won't work a hill side with more than a one degree slope. He's been here three times and would not touch it--I think he's afraid of heights--or maybe just smarter than the average bear.
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BayPineYankee
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Septic Tank Contractor
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8/22/2006 7:52:26 PM
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Kenny Carter - Carter's Wastwater Management came and pumped our tank after we bought our lake place. He had to use a backhoe to locate the tank, he added a silo for future easier maintenance and left the place broom clean. He was reliable, prompt and did a superb job .
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roswellric
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Archer
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8/22/2006 8:59:23 PM
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FLee
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Archer
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8/23/2006 9:04:49 AM
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you gotta love his slogan on the side of his truck....
"We Really Suck"
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roswellric
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Archer
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8/23/2006 9:19:22 AM
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Yes
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