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2/9/2010 5:01:18 PM
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Now for Archie, GF, and Lady, let me start by saying that I have yet to be convinced that Sarah Palin is competent to be POTUS. She is making progress, but isn't there yet and may never be in my mind.
Now that we have that straight, the Obama crowd I observe that must be seriously worried about the perceived threat from her, and are expressing that worry in profoundly childish ways. Here is a quote from the (yes) Fox News web site:
"White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs took a swipe at Sarah Palin Tuesday, mimicking the former vice presidential candidate's decision to use her hand as a notepad at the National Tea Party Convention last week.
At the daily press briefing, Gibb showed his left hand with writing on it, which apparently was his grocery list to purchase ahead of the expected snowstorm."
My boss has a favorite word that describes the way this administration approaches governing: "sophomoric". Maybe I and others should just let them skewer themselves with such juvenile behavior. Apparently they don't know how to take the high road and are apparently too stupid to realize that the best way to handle such a thing is just brush it off. But no, with antics like this they lower themselves to the point that they are wallowing somewhere below whale excreta.
Nasreddin Hodja
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2/9/2010 5:03:55 PM
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Sorry - some words got out of place. "...the Obama crowd I observe that must be seriously worried..." should read "...I observe that the Obama crowd must be seriously worried..."
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2/9/2010 5:17:48 PM
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You said it first the way Palin would have said it.....just kidding. I agree with you on Palin. She is a live wire, but not ready for prime time (aka POTUS). She just has too many gaps.
Now WHO IS the best Republican candidate for 2012? Here are my thoughts:
Gingrich is too academic sounding, and robotic
Palin...see above....loose canon
Romney...too proper for me, but politics are probably ok
Huckabee...too nice to be the attacking campaigner that is needed
Pawlenty...don't know
Who else, seems I am missing a few
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2/9/2010 5:24:55 PM
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I think that Palin could easily be the 6th player on a basketball team and make significant contributions. However, I am not comfortable at this time and maybe never with her having a starting assignment.
I visualize the role of Palin as that of shooting darts at the Dems and keeping them on the defense. The Tea party people and others received Palin very well. The media attempted to counter her appearance by talking about her speaking fee even though she had said it would go for Tea Party expenses.
Palin knows (I hope) that the national media will never recognize her for her competencies as a Presidential contender. It's a shame that she would be treated in this manner but that's the way it is. It's not a male or female issue.
To defeat the Dems, the gloves have to be taken off. Biting, kicking, and choking is acceptable since these tactics are well known and used by the Dems. Chicago politics is tough. McCain equivalents do not stand a chance in today's environment.
The one thing that I liked about Brown was that he talked about issues and did not run on a Repub platform. That was smart in a state where registered Dems have a majority.
Why did they vote for him? They listened to what he said and then concluded that he was the best candidate. It's still true that the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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2/9/2010 5:34:23 PM
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All presumed front runners, no first place finishers on the list. Other guv's worth a serious look include Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, and Rick Perry, of the Republic of Texas. Should either, or perhaps both, choose to pursue higher office, media coverage of Sarah Palin would move to the fashion section, and would cause a "progressive" run on adult diapers.
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2/9/2010 6:32:19 PM
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-Palin is an interesting political figure. Probably one of a few, maybe the only, republican who can get any public attention. She could be strong on domestic issues, but it would take her a long time to catch up on foreign affairs. With her present activities, doubtful she will be ready in 2012 to be considered as a serious contender.
-Amazing how the left feels a need to take her down at every opportunity. The press reaction to her is a clear indication that it will still be on teh Obama wagon in 2012, unless he truely screws up, and I can't imagine what he would have to do to lose their blind support.
-I agree with above comments on other contenders. However, let me add a dark horse to this list, Governor McDonnell of Virginia. If he has a good term in VA, he may get some national attention come 2012.
here's his BIO. Take a look:
-Governor Robert F. McDonnell - Bio
In February of 2009, Bob McDonnell resigned his position as Attorney General to focus full-time on bringing his positive message of new jobs and more opportunities to voters across the Commonwealth.
McDonnell was elected Governor on November 3rd, 2009 and was sworn in on January 16th 2010. McDonnell is the 71st Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
About Bob McDonnell
-Married 32 years to Maureen McDonnell
Father of 5 children
-Oldest daughter, Jeanine, served as a U.S. Army officer and is an Iraq War veteran
-McDonnell served 21 years in the U.S. Army, both on active duty and reserves, retiring as a Lieutenant Colonel
-Business manager for a Fortune 500 health care company, American Hospital Supply Corporation
-A former Virginia Beach Prosecutor who successfully put rapists, murderers, and drug dealers behind bars
-Served 14 years in the Virginia House of Delegates from Virginia Beach, rising to Chairman of the powerful Courts of Justice Committee, and Assistant Majority Leader
-Named “Legislator of the Year” by both the Fraternal Order of Police and the Virginia Sheriff’s Association
-Effective Attorney General
---As Attorney General, 92 of his 105 legislative proposals passed, most with bipartisan support
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2/9/2010 9:09:30 PM
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I cannot believe that some of you are willing to give Palin a pass on this handwriting on her palm... You failed to mention that what she had written on her palm are her "priorities"... now why would she had to write her "priorities" on her palm to remember them? I'm significantly older than her, and even I don't have to write my priorities on my hand to remember what they are... LOL
In my mind, the woman is getting far too much attention than she merits. And that takes attention away from any serious candidates.
Did anyone mention Pawlty from MN? I've been impressed every time I've heard him speak.
What I'm afraid of is that anyone fresh that might have a real chance will be pushed aside by those who have tried before and failed, like Newt, Romney, or some member of Congress who has been hanging about Washington forever.
If Obama proves to be a "transitional" President, we still need a "transformational" President.
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2/9/2010 9:39:49 PM
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This critique from a person who voted for the teleprompter in chief and defends him to the death. You have no credibility in your critique of Palin considering who you seem to think is worthy of being POTUS.
I heard a great quote the other day that in Texas they call that a palm pilot and it usually includes the following list: 1) Get more beer 2) Get more ammo.
Palin scares the he!! out of the left which is why they revile her at every turn. And Gibbs makes Baghdad Bob look competent by comparison......
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2/10/2010 7:32:18 AM
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I think you are wrong -- I don't think that she scares the hell out of the Democraft -- I just think they find her laughable. Geez, it just came out that her husband was virtually running Alaska. Maybe he should run for President.
She is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the radical right. Maybe she should try a teleprompter.
This is what scares me about the next election. That Republicans will right a laughable candidate instead of someone that can really win and do something constructive. What will solidify the Republican party again is a serious candidate, not some media side show.
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2/10/2010 8:17:49 AM
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IMO, anyone raised with a traditional values system, demonstrating through daily living personal responsibilty with accountability, providing an appealingly honest approach, and a background of rooting out governmental corruption, has broad appeal to conservative voters. That scares hell out of the progressive nannies. Governor Palin wrote 7 words that she wanted to be sure to reinforce through her speech. She did not have the benefit of a Navy "Corpseman" holding up cue cards. President? I don't think so. Replacement for Michael Steele? In a heartbeat.
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2/10/2010 8:23:12 AM
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TH
If you think Palin is laughable, the citizens of Alaska must really be dumb but&^ in your opinion. Alaska must really be in a mess. I don't think so. Why do you think Palin is so bad and never comment on the competency of members of the current administration?
My list of "Real Laughable Candidates"
1. Obama - Community Organizer; Part time US Senator; Law Professor; Friend to the Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and others from his Chicago community: never worked in the private sector.
2. Press Secretary Gibbs - Exceeds his competencies
3. Security Adviser Brennan - Wild Man
4. Rahm I - "Hit Man"
5. Axelrod - Goes where the money is
Even former Gov. Wilder of Va. says Obama needs to clean house!
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2/10/2010 8:51:19 AM
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if the Dems truly thought she was laughable they would ignore her. To mock her in a press conference shows significant insecurity on their part and that they jump at anything to try to belittle her.
She brings a breath of fresh air to a very stodgy and rote process and I -- and apparently others -- find that appealing. She has a long way to go, but were a presidential election to be held today between her and the incumbent I probably would vote for her simply because she professes the values that I share. She certainly is as qualified if not more qualified than the individual sitting in the Oval Office.
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2/10/2010 2:34:20 PM
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As someone who lived in VA during former Gov Wilder's rein,I would hardly consider him anyone to give advice to a politican.
I'm sorry but I don't find Palin's stupidity refreshing. I don't find her mindless babbling of right wing platitudes to be endearing nor her "folksiness" to be clever. And if she were to run for President and be elected, it would only reinforce my fears that our country is in a death spiral. I had high hopes for Obama being a transformational President, but it appears that he will only be a transitional President. It's a disappointment, but it's time to start looking ahead. I personally don't care whether a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent wins the next election, as long as the person has a vision for the country and a plan on how to get there because without such a leader, I fear for the future of our country.
I thought Obama had a vision, but his ability to execute a plan is falling well short of my expectations. I'm extremely disappointed that he can't seem to put an end bi-partisan politics and get something done.
I'm really surprised that a group of intelligent people like yourselves would fall for such a self promoter like a Palin. To me, she's about on the same level as James Carville and I wouldn't want to see him try to lead either. I think she has found her niche with political commentary.
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2/10/2010 2:43:23 PM
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TH
Read my post about Palin. I would only vote for Palin for President if Bill Ayers, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Chuck Schumer, or Nancy Pelosi were the candidate on the Dem. Party. Palin is a good person but not Presidential material.
She is still more qualified than the person you voted for.
If I had cast a vote for Obama, I would be cautious about badmouthing Palin.
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don't understand the "vitriol" directed at Mrs. Palin by the main stream media and people like Hound. Maybe it's just the DC mentality that anyone who has morals and values is unfit for office in our nation's capital. I said before I would probably not read her book. I am a liar. My sister gave me the book and I find her extremely refreshing, especially when compared to our current President. What is it? Her pro-life stance, the fact that she hunts, the fact that she actually paid for her own education, the fact that her husband has input in her decisions? Sorry, I just don't get it. Please Hound, enlighten me.
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How about the power of Colin?
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2/10/2010 4:17:05 PM
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2/10/2010 4:44:03 PM
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You keep saying she is stupid and I think you are wrong and have no basis for saying this. I could list ten stupid things Obama has said for every one that Palin has said and yet you voted for him. You are wrong about her and I think you confuse common sense with a lack of intelligence. You confuse a simple way of speaking and her folksiness for stupidity and that says way more about you than it does about her.
You are also wrong about why she is popular. She exhibits a modicum of common sense that is frankly much needed in Washington, whether it is from her or someone else. You are also wrong about why she is hated by those on the left. She is the anti-feminist, anti-inside the beltway type, anti-Ivy league intellectual elite, anti-Daddy got me elected to office, anti-culture of death, anti-big government lover and on and on. Why the left is so fixated on her is in my view more interesting than the interest she generates on the right.
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2/10/2010 7:41:17 PM
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its like hodja says...she is too big of a threat to the dems.
The stupid quote of the decade has got to be
"I dont think she has enough experience to be VP".....
Comming from someone that voted for obama for President.
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2/10/2010 8:36:45 PM
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No further explanations from me. If y'all love her and think she is wonderful, then so be it. You won't change my mind about her, any more than you could've changed my mind about John McCain or the last 4 years of Bush's Presidency. I wish you all well.
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And to sum you recent posts you have changed your mind about Obama?
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2/10/2010 9:56:09 PM
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Hound's view of the world has been colored by too many inhales and exhales within the confines of the Washington merry-go-round. She doesn't have the luxury of living in the real world of what makes the beltway experience possible - to wit the toils and successes of businesses small and large. She hasn't had the luxury of living next door to Lloyd Trimpy in Papillion, Nebraska or Clyde Self in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. She didn't come from Pine Bluff, Arkansas, nor did she live next to an Army couple in Catoctin, Maryland. Had she done that just maybe her view of the world might be different.
There are tons of lessons to be learned from Hound's experiences with the international community....but we live in a national community. While I value Hound's advice regarding international relations, there are many lessons to be learned and heeded within our 50 states, and I don't see that the present administration has a freaking clue as to what they are.
We must get back to the basics....somehow....and I just don't see it happening with the present clown in chief and his minions...
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2/11/2010 7:09:16 AM
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I wasn't exactly "hatched" in Washington. Lived in NJ for a good portion of my life and knew quite a few "real" people. Count a number of military people as my friends -- just had lunch with one such person in town for a school at Maxwell.
None of my neighbors in VA worked for the government either. I have many friends and associates throughout the business community I dealt with for a number of years.
To hear you tell it, I was hatched in Washington and lived my life in cotton wool in DC. Not at all true. Like most of you, I'm a person of a "certain age" who has seen and done a lot of different things and have formed my own opinions.
Just because I don't happen to agree with you and others, doesn't mean my perspective is any less valid than y'alls. None of you have a monopoly on the "truth" other than the truth as you have experienced it.
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I don't know if I've so much "changed" my mind as I have come to the realization that he's not going to get a lot done. Like a lot of other pols, he talks a better game than he executes. For example, I expected a lot more out of him on bipartisanship than we've gotten. There have been a number of false starts. And I would have thought that he would have taken on the economy as his primary issue rather than health care.
So far, he's rather upheld my view that Pols say anything to get elected.
I am pleased though, that he is getting us out of Iraq and refocused on our enemy. But, it's not clear to me that he has a real strategy or if he's just letting the generals try out theirs. The effort seems a little vague.
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I agree with most of what you have said except Obama refocusing on the enemy. On that note you are so objectively wrong it is comical.
He reaches out to our enemies and criticizes our allies. He has a pre-9/11 mentality that terrorism is a law enforcement issue so terrorists get Miranda rights instead of being held as an illegal enemy combatant that deserves neither the rights of a U.S. citizen nor an enemy combatant in military uniform covered under the Geneva Convention. As Scott Brown rightly put it, they are more interested in using our money to defend terrorists than killing them.
After dithering for months, he shorted the troop level request of his own military commanders as if a community agitator has a clue. He demoralized our troops while he gazed at his navel and he put them at unnecessary risk by shorting McChrystal's request.
He and his incompetent AG Eric Holder are proposing to put millions of New Yorkers at risk by holding trials in NYC rather than military tribunals in Guantanamo. Not to mention wasting $200M. And all this risking acquittal because everyone, including the President, have guaranteed a conviction and execution sending the message to our enemies and allies that this is a kangaroo court.
He is likewise gazing at his navel about Iran and we are seeing what happens when you appear weak and feckless (which in his case is not appearance). You embolden your enemies and you alienate your allies.
He gave up on missile defense for the Czech Republic and Poland, two of our most staunch allies of the former Soviet countries.
I could go on and on about why we are not properly focused on the dangers of the world.
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I was referring to Afghanistan.
As far as him shorting McCrystal on troops, McCrystal later said that the reduction in troops would not impact our effort. I suspect McCrystals original request was overstated because he knew he wouldn't get everything he asked for.
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I was too and regardless of what McChrystal said after the fact the Messiah dithered for months and then came back with less than what was requested. And how sad is it that his own General felt the need to sandbag POTUS on a troop request. I guess he figured out who he was dealing with going in......
I note no disagreement with all my other points and I think it is obvious the world and our country are less safe today than we were 12 months ago.
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Well, I would agree that the world is not a safe place. I don't know if we are less safe than we were 12 months ago, because things are constantly changing. I've never thought we were safe; nor do I think we ever will be safe. I do think we are headed for a showdown with Iran and hopefully we will not be left to handle it alone, because he threatens the entire world, not just the US. And frankly, I don't trust Putin. But the scariest thing is China holding so much of our debt. I think our economy is the biggest threat to our security.
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You're right on most accounts
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My biggest fear right now is that the U.S., Europe and even some Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia are all waiting on Israel to deal with Iran. Then all the gutless bast@ards can publicly condemn Israel while privately wiping the sweat off their brow and thanking Israel under their breath for doing what they were afraid to do themselves. It is just sickening in my view that the world puts up with a bunch of religious nutjobs that the people of Iran would overthrow in a heartbeat if the U.S. and Europe would openly declare we are with them instead of equivocating. We saw from the fall of the Soviet Union what impact having the leader of the free world behind you can have on internal changes.
I still maintain for all the reasons I laid out that we are clearly less safe today than we were 12 months ago and it is only going to get worse.
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You're right on most accounts
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2/11/2010 10:09:41 PM
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You state much more eloquently what I was trying to say in the Goofy/Archie/Hound thread above. I agree with you and thanks.
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I think the reason we don't declare that we are supporting them is the delicate relationship with Russia, China and France. Particularly Russia.
But, behind the scenes things may not be the same as they are publically. We may be supporting them behind the scenes. We may be encouraging Israel behind the scenes. It's a delicate balance.
Other tha Islam, the Arabs and the "Persians" have little in common. Saudi, in particular, is on the hot seat as the keeper of the "Great Mosque" and has worried for year that radical Islam would overthrow their government.
Hodja, I was being a bit fascitious about levels Iran. The majority of Iranian people like the US and the Western way of life. Most of them have no interest in fundamental Islam.
They have a long and rich history as a culture.
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Hound, you may be right about some actions behind the scenes although I seriously doubt it. Back during the Bush presidency when there was unrest and the potential for overthrow the CIA told the administration and congress that the regime was too strong. They have since admitted they were wrong.
What we need no is courage on the part of the administration to lead. Reagan got huge amounts of grief for his "tear down this wall" quote but as we learned after the fact it was a critical turning point for the Solidarity movement and dissidents in Russia. I think we need to stop worrying about Russia and China and deal with this threat now. Once they become nuclear it will be too late as we have learned with North Korea.
This could in fact easily be another peaceful revolution because I think your comments about the Iranian people are correct. I just don't think if we helped foment mass protests in Iran that the military will obey the religious nutjobs and fire on their own people in huge masses. This is really what broke the backs of the Polish communist party, the overt unwillingness of the military to fire on their fellow citizens. It is also what did in the Czech Republic when they figured the military would not stop East Germans from crossing the Czech border into West Germany. It essentially rendered the Berlin Wall moot and that was the end.
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Agree with your last paragraph. My fear is that this Islamist thing goes on too long and there will be an entire generation that knows nothing more than that way of life for Iran.
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The last thing we want is for Russia and Iran to band their nuclear efforts together. I suspect that there is a lot of behind the scenes negotiations going on. With the Middle East, it all almost always goes on behind the scenes.
My discussion question to both of you is why do you think it is so much more urgent now? Since the Iranians seized our Embassy in Tehran, the religious fundamentalists have been running the country. The Iranians have been impoving their nuclear capability for 10 years now -- so why is it so critical that Obama do something immediately?
Regarding Reagan and the "tear down this wall" -- you may remember that at the time it was clear that the Soviet Union was in a serious political and economic funk. So while it was a wonderfully symbolic moment, I don't believe it was the catalyst for the wall actually coming down. The Soviets could not sustain their empire any longer and it would have happened no matter what.
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Do you mean the last thing we want is for Russia and Iran to OVERTLY band their nuclear efforts together? You know as well as we that Russia and North Korea are both already helping Iran. as for your second question, the answer is obvious. Their nuclear ambitions have been a problem for a while but Bush was in no position politically to deal with them after eight years of being pilloried by the left as a war monger. The reason it is so important now is it appears that they are getting closer to being a nuclear power and need to be stopped. I already pointed out we do not need another North Korea. And we cannot wait to expunge Obama from office to stop them.
As for your recollection of our understanding of what was happening when Reagan made his comments you are misremembering. When Reagan made this plea there were a large number of Sovietologists and members of the intelligence community that did not see the weakness in the Soviet Union. Reagan was almost alone in recognizing it and the fall did not happen until 1989. Even Gorbachev himself admitted that Reagan's statement had a big impact on them and their thinking. Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John Paul II deserve credit for the peaceful demise of the Soviet Union and it is disgusting that Gorby was given a Nobel Prize without even a mention of Reagan.
I suggest you read The Reagan Years by Stephen Hayward. Very well researched and footnoted. You are just wrong about this.
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You're right on most accounts
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2/12/2010 8:42:25 PM
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I don't agree with you about Bush. Bush's idea (well not his but Feith, Wolfowitz,etc who signficantly influenced Bush) was that they would SWEEP through Iraq on the way to attack both Iran and Syria. But, we got bogged down in Iraq when it didn't go the way they thought. The "left" had nothing to do with Bush's decision. Don't forget, he didn't care what they thought -- he was the self proclaimed "decider".
But, he could have left Iraq alone and went after Iran and Syria. Or he could have escalated the efforts in Afghanistan and not let Pakistan play their own game... But he didn't choose to do those things. Don't blame the left for his bad judgement.
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You're right on most accounts
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2/12/2010 8:53:57 PM
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Give me one shred of evidence that Bush planned to sweep through Iraq and then onto Iran and Syria. That is pure fantasy.
Bush went after Iraq because he was told there was WMD (as was the entire Congress and all our allies). The only difference is he had the guts to act on that belief. I didn't "blame" the left, I merely stated he didn't have the political capital as a result of the caterwauling on the left over Iraq. Don't tell me you deny that this didn't happen after all the years of abuse he got for that decision. I am not even implying he had the strong desire to enter into the fray with Iran, I am saying even if they considered it they likely quickly dismissed the idea because of our internal political climate.
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