Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 8:43:40 AM

So Trump was again impeached on false evidence.....specifically that he incited the riot.  Turns out the FBI has determined that the storming was pre-planned, that the participants left the rally early to collect their tools and went to the Capitol. Which probably explains why the storming occurred while Trump was still making his supposedly riot-inspiring comments.  You will note that they don't actually show you his speech because anyone with a modicum of common sense and intellectual honesty would be scratching their heads wondering how this speech was any form of incitement to what happened......which of course exempts the mentally ill TDS sufferers like Goofy.

Not that a little thing like the truth matters to the left and TDS sufferers.  Amazingly, cnnBS was the first to report on this...which is....amazing.  Will they drop it? Nope.  They are terrified of Trump running again in 2024 and are desparate to stop that.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 8:55:31 AM

Good find MM!  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Both of you
Date:	1/14/2021 9:13:55 AM

Look your wives or mothers in the eye or yourself in the mirror and tell me you would have the same opinion if everything in MM's BS post, including the words of the speakers, had been the same with just one change...the rioters had been mostly black and the speakers all black.  If you say yes you are lying and you know it and everybody on this forum knows it.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Disagree
Date:	1/14/2021 9:25:25 AM

Archie, conservatives aren't into identity politics.  We are more concerned with what happens than who does it.  We condemn the actions of those who purposefully breached Capitol security and it doesn't matter if they were purple with bright blue ears.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 9:33:27 AM (updated 1/14/2021 9:33:38 AM)

MM - I have watched the videos of the capital several times and want your and other non-liberal loony opinions of it.

We have seen the person who shot the lady in the neck and killed her and at that point from what I have seen most of the "rioters" stopped and they rendered aid to her.  If this had truely been the bloodthirsty mob wanting to ransack the capital and muder congresscritters - why would they have stopped there when faced with one person with a pistol ?  Why would they not have put much more effort into it, broken through those doors and do what they were supposed to be there for?  

Antifatech as of late has been posting lots of crap about how would we feel if it was all blacks etc.  And with the riots over the summer, I have to say I have found one difference in the way the outcome would have probably happened.

If it was BLM/Antifa/leftists the person on the ground would have become a cry for more protests - one person with a gun would not have slowed them down -  they would have surrounded the capital and tried to set it on fire for weeks with everyone inside.  Pelosi and Harris would still be raising bail for them, Biden (like Clinton after the capital bombing by weather underground) would pardon them all and MSM/Social Media would black it out like they did Hunters laptop.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 10:04:55 AM (updated 1/14/2021 10:35:03 AM)

Now you know why I have Archie on ignore.  He is obsessed with race like Goofy is obsessed with Trump.  The sad reality is that Archie in his heart of hearts is a true southern racist.  He is just pretending to be an enlightened progressive but he sees skin color in everything and truly believes that black people need his old, white liberal beneficience to get through their day.  They are too dumb and inferior to make it through life without the gov't and according to the Archie's view of the world all you have to do is stay on the Democrat party plantation and the elites will dole out their rewards.  As for the color of their skin, I could care less and I condemned the rioting, fire setting, violence and murders committed by Antifa who are mostly angry, young, loser white men and the rioting, looting, fire setting, violence and murders by BLM who are mostly black and young, brainwashed white liberal women.  I could care less about the color of their skin....something we cannot say about Archie the bigot.

As for the events at the Capitol, my view is that the people who engaged in it should be condemned and prosecuted.  They ought to know better and we ought to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the left obviously holds themselves to.  But as for your observation about the immense double standard, and I know you know this, that's like saying the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.  If the left didn't have double standards they would have none at all.  That is why this violence played right into the hands of the media and Democrats and why it was stupid.  I get the anger and frustration but when we resort to the tactics of the left we play right into their hands.  We give them a ready excuse to do what they really desire to do.  They want a civil war because they think they can win it because they control the message through the media.....and they do.  Whether they can win a civil war is very doubtful to me.....they do not understand the half of the country that doesn't agree with them politically.

I also agree that a fair number of the people involved in the storming of the Capitol meant well and got carried away.  But actions should have consequences even if they are unfairly applied.  They are responsible for what they did.  As for the young woman, based on all that I have seen there is no way she deserved to be shot and killed.  But that's a risk you take when you refuse the orders of a law enforcement officer.  Whether what was done was appropriate is for the court system to decide.  But sadly had she not been involved in the storming of the Capitol she would be alive today.  And yes, had it been a black woman member of BLM there would be riots, looting, fire setting, violence and murders all across the country right now.....it's what they do.  And it's not what we do, nor should it be.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	They just don't get it.
Date:	1/14/2021 10:11:05 AM

To me and millions of others this is not about Trump and especially not about the republican party.  It is about the Consttuion of the United States of America and Rule of Law.  

Yes I support Trump, not becase he is Trump but because he brought about deperately needed changes and a message of hope for the future.  He delivered on promises like no other POTUS in history.  He gave us the best economy the world has ever seen.  There are many other reasons I support him but mostly because he most definately put America First.

Libs are stupid, they just don't get it.  

When the takeover is complete and the Elites no longer need them they will be the first to be dissapeared.  Although they have been usefull they are looked at with scorn and ridicule by their Overlords.!

IN ORDER TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY WE MUST FIRST TAKE BACK OUR SCHOOLS!

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 10:21:30 AM

I believe that 100% of the violence is attribitable to Antifa/BLM.  They came in by the busloads starting 3 days before.  One group was even brought into the city with a police escort.  It was suppossed to incite mass rioting, but Trump supporters aren't as easily manipulated as left wing idiots.  They think they can COSPLAY a Civil War. Laughable.

To quote Thomas Paine:

"If there is to be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 10:31:46 AM (updated 1/14/2021 10:32:26 AM)

What they also do not understand is that this past year was record breaking in gun sales - mostly woman and POC who have decided that it is better to be able to defend themselves because the liberals sure as hell will not after they saw the "Summer of love 2020"

Agreed - if you break the law, you should be punished (period) - we got here by politicans deciding which crimes where acceptable based on who was breaking the law - I fully expect the next civil war in my life time(assuming we did not see it start already)

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	FBI whacks the impeachment before it begins
Date:	1/14/2021 10:33:24 AM

I know Antifa was there but I haven't seen enough evidence to be sure to what extent they were involved.  As much as I hate to say it, I don't think we will ever know because the powers that be don't want us to.   Regardless of whether they incited it, each of the individuals had the opportunity to say no thanks and stand aside.  And there were plenty of videos of Trump supporters trying to prevent people from going in, mostly to no avail.  That's the way the mob mentality takes over.....you get caught up in the moment, see yourself as anonymous...until you aren't and then reality bites.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Martini the scientist
Date:	1/14/2021 3:49:53 PM (updated 1/14/2021 3:58:36 PM)

Now you are getting your "facts" from Alex Jones. As someone who likes to brag that you are a scientist who deals in facts, I suggest that Jones is not the most credible source for "facts". Jones also said his Superblue brand of toothpaste "kills the whole Sars-corona family at point-blank range". The NY Attorney general issued a cease-and-delete."

"In the Thursday video filmed in Washington, Jones said he was asked by the White House to lead the march to the Capitol three days before the event. 

In the video, Jones said the Secret Service would pull him out of the front row during the president's speech, about 30 minutes before it ended, so he could go to the place where he would start the march. Jones said he ultimately did not end up leading the march because there was already a crowd ahead of him. 

Jones also said he paid close to $500,000 to book the Ellipse, the park where Trump's supporters initially gathered, and other areas near the Capitol. He said 80% of the money came from an unnamed donor. 

"By the time I got out there 20 minutes, 30 minutes before Trump finished his speech, there were already hundreds of thousands of people ahead of me marching. And before Trump ever took the stage, antifa, dressed up — over a hundred of them — as patriots, was there,” he said, claiming without evidence that antifa followers were in the crowd. The baseless theory has been suggested by other Trump supporters as well. The FBI said there is no indication that followers of the far-left antifa, short for "anti-fascists," were in the crowd." 

You are leading your Forum puppets astray when you use Alex Jones as your source.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	You and your Alex Jones fixation
Date:	1/14/2021 4:16:39 PM

You are truly a one or two track mind.  Trump and Alex Jones.  I will state once again, I have never read anything from Alex Jones other than what you post here on the Forum.  You are the one that seems to be a devoted follower of his, not me.  But if you have a problem with what I shared take it up with the FBI and cnnBS.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	You and your Alex Jones fixation
Date:	1/14/2021 4:57:26 PM

Antifa is documented to be all over the capitol.  There are photos and videos of known Antifa/BLM people trying to instagate and incident.  Congress was breifed beforehand of the infiltration by left wing groups.  

Watch this as a reminder of how peaceful Trump's innauguration was:

from 2017

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/14/2021 5:25:26 PM (updated 1/14/2021 5:25:56 PM)

Since you have no solid evidence for your Alex Jones posts, I thought I would help you so you can avoid having to attend the Leftist Camp For Truth and Integrity. I sure hope you are not following that Loon Gaetz.

Crash Course To Avoid the Leftist Camp For Truth and Integrity

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/14/2021 5:56:56 PM

I've never posted anything Alex Jones has said.  I don't go to his site, and pay little attention to anything he says.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Yeah sure , and pigs fly and that's BS !!
Date:	1/14/2021 6:17:43 PM (updated 1/14/2021 6:22:18 PM)

Please point out where any of the usual suspects on this forum has ever published a single negative post about anything Donald Trump ever did (MM's bitching about Trump before the election not to be counted) including running up the deficit 6 trillion dollars.  Gotcha question, did you have any complaints about spending under Trump?  If so why did you not loudly express your concern?  Now, while you are at it point out a post from any rabid Trumpista on this forum expressing outrage at the invasion of the Capitol.  Where was your complaint?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/14/2021 9:52:16 PM (updated 1/14/2021 9:56:54 PM)

It was for Martini....as to 2017...not much of a turnout. A few yelling and screaming....one vehicle with a leaking gas tank caught fire. Looks more like an Antifa birthday party compared to the number arrested this past week.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Yeah sure , and pigs fly and that's BS !!
Date:	1/14/2021 11:40:27 PM

Did you not pass 9th grade Civics?  CONGRESS decides what is to be spent and where, and presents the President with a bill that must be either signed or vetoed, and they always ensure that, along with all the pork, there are things included that makes a veto politically untenable for him.  The "what" during his presidency was the best economy ever, helped along by tax cuts and confidence on the part of job makers that they wouldn't have the rug pulled from under them with excessive regulations.  I have said before multiple times that Trump falls far short as a person of what I would like our president to be, but we didn't hire him to be a sweetie pie, we hired him to be a president, and his accomplishments are amazing, especially considering the BS thrown at him by your sweethearts on the left side of the aisle.  I don't know how some of them sleep at night, but I guess if you don't have a conscience it doesn't matter.

So, your boy Biden has already proposed spending another 1.9 TRILLION dollars, over and above the annual budget.  What do you have to say about that?  Do you have children and grandchildren that you want saddled with paying it back?  You and I and most on this forum will be gazing at the brown side of the grass before our fiscal transgressions come home to roost.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	PS
Date:	1/14/2021 11:51:47 PM

For perspective, $1.9 Trillion dollars is 19 BILLION $100 bills.  Each bill weighs one gram, and it takes 454 of them to weigh one pound.  That means that $1.9 billion dollars equates to almost 210 TONS of Benjamins.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	OIC your logic now
Date:	1/15/2021 5:55:16 AM

It's not a crime unless they are arrested, police are orfered NOT to arrest legt wing protestors so no crimes are committed.  Makes perfect sense now. /sarc

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/15/2021 9:08:15 AM

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/14/radical-activist-arrested-in-connection-with-capitol-incursion-urged-rioters-to-burn-it-down-was-a-guest-on-cnn/

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Hummm...remind me again
Date:	1/15/2021 9:39:58 AM

Which party controlled the Senate for all 4 years of Trump's thankfully one term and which party controlled the House for half of his term.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	PS...Hope you realize you
Date:	1/15/2021 9:45:02 AM

Did not answer my question.  Here's another, will you without equivocation condemn the Trump supporters who beat a Capitol police officer with the staff of an American flag and with the staff of a "Blue Lives Matter" flag?  Guess it is only pro-Trump Blue lives that matter?!

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/15/2021 9:49:57 AM

This link incudes a picture.  He is either wired on meth/coke or he is experiencing insane rage and hatred.  No other explanation for those crazy eyes.

Crazy Eyes Sullivan

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/15/2021 9:51:54 AM

According to an interview with his brother adderall and is not ADHD.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	PS...Hope you realize you
Date:	1/15/2021 10:13:43 AM

I don't answer loaded questions like the one you posed.  I don't know the premise to be true.  Not saying it isn't, just haven't dwelled on the details of a very dark event in our nation's history  

I do condemn anyone who beats another person with any object unless in self defense. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/15/2021 11:05:20 AM

Missed that tid bit.  That would explain it.  Probably end up being his defense if he ever sees a courtroom.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	The Martini Myth Exposed
Date:	1/15/2021 11:11:45 AM

In his defense, he claimed he was there to document the event and like all the other media thought his proper role was to incite the violence.  He is just following the lead of Democrat politicians, leftists and the media.  No different and he probably can't understand why he is being singled out.....nor can I.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	PS...It is true and its on tape
Date:	1/15/2021 11:54:46 PM

WATCH IT!