Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Next step for MM, Shorty and Rude-evin
Date:	12/3/2020 8:29:13 AM (updated 12/3/2020 8:47:35 AM)

Gen Flynn and other forever Trumpers are now calling for Trump to declare Marshall Law and order a new election with paper ballot only supervised by the military!   Are y'all onboard? 

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Next step for MM, Shorty and Rude-evin
Date:	12/3/2020 8:34:41 AM (updated 12/3/2020 8:40:36 AM)

Paper only.  License id to vote.  Cell phone videos of every ballot. 

Ya know the Replublican GA house HAS to elect Trump electors, change the voting process, and recall da gubner and SOS.

Otherwise Demorats and/or the people will eliminate them.  They have absolute authority and can do it in a parking lot.

Marshall crickets

https://www.infowars.com/posts/la-residents-are-ordered-to-stay-in-their-homes/

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Next step for MM, Shorty and Rude-evin
Date:	12/3/2020 8:40:34 AM

Not so much for martial law, but I would love to see a paper ballot redo - would prove where any and all fraud exists from either side.  I would think you could even get behind a verification of the election to prove or disprove if the US electoral process is now no better then some 3rd world dictators sham.  Any and all elections should have a way that you can verify that your vote was correct before you leave the polling place and for that matter with electronic voting you should be able to view your own ballot at any time to make sure that it was not tampered with.

I would absolutly embrace where you had to cast your ballot, with ID and even have your thumb or some other way inked to prove if you had already voted.  That could restore confidence in one person one vote and confidence in the system.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Shorty checks in
Date:	12/3/2020 8:49:03 AM (updated 12/3/2020 8:50:26 AM)

He supports the coup and wants to restrict the vote to licensed drivers...crazy, but he was nice enough to correct my spelling error.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	100%
Date:	12/3/2020 8:50:13 AM

Me and millions more will support it in any way asked or needed of me.  

This is not happening in a vacuum archie.  Folks are watching, waiting, ready for the call.  My guess is that POTUS will invoke the EO he signed in 2018 allowing POTUS to declare a state of emergency to stop any foriegn influence on elections.  When the ties to China, Russia and Iran to the servers is exposed he will certainly have the right and responsiblillity to do so.

Your myopic vision doesn't allow for seeing anything that doesn't comport to your twisted, sick world view.  

Do some research archie and tell us what happened in Frankfurt Germnay last weekend?  Who/what is the Kraken?  Who replaced the head of DoD that POTUS fired?  What is his Background?

Now before you start with the Alex Jones/Infowars bullshit, I have been to his website once and never follow any link that leads to his site.  It's not a conspiracy if it really happened, its a fact. 

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Next step for MM, Shorty and Rude-evin
Date:	12/3/2020 8:51:22 AM (updated 12/3/2020 9:02:46 AM)

When you are given your ballot, you get a receipt of the ballot number.

Your ballot is totalled by hand for the election.

It is also entered into an air gapped computer.

This data is copied and put on a server.

You go online and enter any old number, say 25824 to look at a screen full of ballots,

You see your number 25831 and your vote is verified.

Nothing other than a closed loop voter verifyable database will do.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	WOW Lifer
Date:	12/3/2020 9:22:24 AM

Lifer, you have just supported the President's use of an Executive Order claiming ''foreign influence'' in the election to overturn the will of the American people and yet you say I am the one with a ''twisted, sick world view''.  You support the president's use of treason to stay in office past his constitutionally mandated term of office and I am the bad guy?  There is a dangerous sickness growing in the Land of the Free!!

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	WOW Lifer
Date:	12/3/2020 10:40:51 AM

Archie, oh where oh where have the BLM protests gone?  Where has the ANTIFA anarchy protests and burnings gone?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Did BLM really, really, absolutely care about the health, well being and opportunities for the AA community?  Did the AA situation all of a sudden improve under Trump?  Or was it all a hoax in order to gain political power?  Once again, the AA community gets played like a Stradavarius and yet election after election will continue to support those who really don't have their community's best interest at heart.  Those are the questions that need to be asked but we know never will.  

And yet, we worry about when Trump may leave office?  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	OK
Date:	12/3/2020 11:10:47 AM (updated 12/3/2020 11:14:31 AM)

1/. Do you also agree with Gen Flynn?

2/. When did l advocate for BLM or Antifa and when did l offer support for their actions peaceful or otherwise?

3/  Perhaps you should let the African Americans as a group speak for their community.  They just did with their votes. Sorry you consider them too stupid to know what is in their best interests.

4/. Donald Trump will depart the presidency at noon Jan 21,  2021!  Too bad it can’t be sooner but I support the constitution so am willing to wait.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	No archie
Date:	12/3/2020 11:43:47 AM

I support the Constitution of the United States.  The Founders in their prophetic wisdom gave us strict rules spelled out in detail how to handle just such a crisis as we face now.  Trump took an oath to protect the US from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.  The only folks commiting treason are the ones who rigged the election in order to steal an election.  

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	OK
Date:	12/3/2020 12:11:35 PM

1.  With his pardon, yes

2. Never accused you of support for BLM, just asked a question of a lib about a far left group(s).  Figured you could offer an explanation.

3. Simply wondering why the status quo among minority ethnicities has not changed since LBJ.  Interested in your thoughts.  Intellect is not an answer I would offer.

4. The left continues to worry about the wrong things.  We will be hearing of all the shortcomings in minority groups again in 2024, 2028 simply because the right questions were not asked of those who must be held accountable.  Keep worrying about Trump, Archie.  Washington DC is a cesspool, and the one individual who attempted to hold it accountable to the American people, by trying to reconfigure government into a likeness of an efficient business/ company, eliminating waste, eliminating individuals who simply wanted a paycheck for minimal work, eliminating fraud, putting our tax dollars to good use, getting done what he said he would do in record time, is now fighting rampant fraud in, of all things, our election system.  If this does not in the least concern you, then, even though you qualify as an American citizen, a patriot you are not.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Before l comment or answer please explain
Date:	12/3/2020 3:21:54 PM (updated 12/3/2020 3:23:27 PM)

what you mean In reference to Gen Flynn by the statement “with his pardon yes”

1/. You agree with his pardon.

2/. You agree with what I asked that being do you agree with his call for Marshall law and another election monitored by the military?

3/. Since he has been pardoned you agree with his call for Marshall law etc.

if you say you agree with any or all I will not be surprised considering your complete compliance and allegence with Trump but I certainly consider it dangerous to American democracy.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Before l comment or answer please explain
Date:	12/3/2020 5:18:32 PM (updated 12/3/2020 5:19:32 PM)

Do I believe that there was not only fraud, but massive fraud in this election?  Sure do.  Statistics and trends lead me to believe this.  Which, by the way, is probably as much if not more evidence than you had regarding Russian collusion in 2016.  And that went on for 3 years. 

Regarding partial or full martial law, don't actually have an opinion on that at this time.  Would I be in favor of a re-vote.....yes, with no mail in ballots, absentee ballots ok with standard voter registration and procedure, and no Dominion, just check the box and go home.  Photo ID required in all 50 states.  Standard poll operation hours.   If the election needs to be overseen by a non partisan organization, then who else better to oversee than the military, right?  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Before l comment or answer please explain
Date:	12/3/2020 5:37:25 PM (updated 12/3/2020 5:40:31 PM)

The biggest problem with attempting to determine what levels of fraud existed in this election is the clock running down in the 4th quarter.  There is limited time to get the election right regardless of outcome.

Considering that crossfire hurricane started well before election - it took 4 years to basically decide that demonrats were full of chit and that it was a setup and attempted coup or a successful hamstringing of the Trump team.

We can not wait 4 years when someone has to be president in a little over 30 days.  There is no way that a new unscheduled election even in select states could be created, ran and counted in 30 days then get the EC together and sware in a new president.  Upside with limited time to get any people who may have been in the fraud/ballot harvesting etc - there is much less chance to cheat on the unknown schedule.

Chances are as in the past demonrats will still pound the Gore/Hillary elections as stolen, and we can add Trump to our list of questionable outcomes.

Regardless of who becomes president in Jan - the election process has to be cleaned up, or the country will continue to spiral downwards until this country is no more.  I only expect demonrats to get rid of voter ID completly and make ballot harvesting and unrequested mail in voting the standard to speed their way into more questionable wins.  They can cheer their wins as the country burns worse then it did with BLM and Antifa.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	And you say I am not a patriot!
Date:	12/3/2020 7:32:17 PM (updated 12/3/2020 7:37:23 PM)

After reading that...you have no opinion on the declaration of Marshall law, you want to throw out the election without as yet a single proven example of significant fraud, you demand a revote (Did you want one in 2000?) after the American people have spoken, you equate ''statistics'' and ''trends'' with illegal activity, etc, etc; it is obvious you are not worthy of your citizenship and certainly more interested in preserving the dominance your selfish and narrow poltical view at any cost than in preserving freedom in America.  In my opinion you are a borderline traitor! 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-COMMIE-IDIOT
Date:	12/3/2020 8:19:24 PM

You have begun your squirmin’ and whining, like you always do when you know the truth is out and your dimokrap crooks have been caught.  Your denial ain’t gonna work.  Better head down to yo hideout (timeshare) so you won’t burn up when yo Fulton County mansion is set on fire by all yo neighbors as they burn down ATL-hood!!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	And you say I am not a patriot!
Date:	12/3/2020 9:05:34 PM

Arch, you don't seem to agree with much of anything CRD says, but if you bother to read his posts carefully you might learn something.  I am not sure where you came up with the term "Marshall Law", but would be interested whether there is a historical context for it.  On the other hand CRD correctly referred to martial law, which is law enforcement by military personnel, but I guess you didn't pick up on that.

i haven't said much lately because the jury is still out on Trump's claims of fraud, especially fraud that might make a difference in the election outcome.  It seems to me that in several states there was a sophisticated shell game at play, and the testimony of some of the whistleblowers is pretty convincing.  In any case, neither you nor Martini nor Phil nor Goofy nor I will determine the voracity and legal standing of Trump's claims.  Meanwhile your posts since the election reflect an angry, insecure person who bolsters his own self image by proving how wrong others are.  Glad I am not there. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	And you say I am not a patriot!
Date:	12/4/2020 12:42:10 PM

Well said.  Lot of truths in that post!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	And you say I am not a patriot!
Date:	12/5/2020 10:25:28 AM (updated 12/5/2020 10:43:04 AM)

Well stated Mr H except that the jury is not still out.  I too am thankful that the decisions on these outlandish claims are not being made by me nor MM nor you but by the courts based on the veracity of the claims.  We are a nation of laws rather than men and l hope we all want it to stay that way, but frankly I am not sure about a few folks on this forum.

You do get the gold star for ''marshall'' vs ''martial''.  I posted about whether the the most strident Trumpsters agreed with Gen Flynn's call for ''marital'' (now there is a scary thought) law. I believe it was Lifer who picked up my incorrect spelling of ''martial''.  I thanked him and edited the post with a new misspelling ''marshall'' to see if he corrected me again.  Well, Mr H I believe you are the first to comment on the true spelling for ''martial law''!  May I assume you are opposed to Gen Flynn's suggestion?

BTW:  I believe you meant to say ''veracity'' not ''voracity'', unless of course you were referring somehow to Shorty's extreme desire to consume way out nonsense.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	And you say I am not a patriot!
Date:	12/5/2020 11:10:41 AM

Yes, veracity. 

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Mr H, I'm surprised
Date:	12/5/2020 9:15:03 PM (updated 12/5/2020 9:19:15 PM)

and a little disappointed.  No comment on the call by some Trump loyalists for the suspension of the constitition and imposition of martial (marshall) law?  Please don't excuse yourself with the claim these calls are a joke or not real or only coming from nuts, etc...they are 100% serious as far as those advocating such draconian measures are concerned.  The ''nuts'' calling for them include the former National Security Advisor to the President who was convicted of lying to congress and was pardoned by the man he is now supports to the point of be willing to destroy this nation as we know it to prove that support.  This has the potential to get very dangerous very fast.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Mr H, I'm surprised
Date:	12/5/2020 11:05:12 PM

General Flynn was railroaded and you know it. He was tricked, then his family threatened in order to get those guilty pleas.  For his willingness to take the fall to save his family he is a better man than you or me. Or did CNN and MSNBC not give you that little morsel of information to consider?  The swamp screwed him royally so even if not right, one can understand his abject fury at the swamp for doing so and lashing out now that the crooked judge in DC no longer has him by the short hairs.

I have a very dear friend serving at a very high level within the US military and with people like him in the positions they hold, I have NO doubt that any such shenanigans you are asking me to condemn would not be tolerated. So go piss up a rope with your railing against what might, but hasn't happened.  I am really tired of your incessant rants.  You really do come across as very insecure, else you wouldn't worry about such things. 

In the case you didn't realize it by now I don't really give a chit if you are disappointed in my response.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...No I do not know Flynn was railroaded
Date:	12/6/2020 9:55:35 AM (updated 12/6/2020 10:06:36 AM)

but, even if was somehow treated in such a manner, does that give him cover to call for the suspension of the constitution and a military take-over of government?  I don't give a twit whether you care about my opinions but I do give a chit about your opinions when you treat in such a cavalier way a threat to this nation which could take away my right to express opinions which piss-off you and Donald Trump!  That my friend is as un-American as anything anybody has ever said on this forum.  The fact you seem to have no concern whether the crazies get what they call for simply because you seem to think it unlikely says a lot about you indeed...you are, in the final analysis, one of them.

''Me-thinks thou doth protest too much.''

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...No I do not know Flynn was railroaded
Date:	12/6/2020 12:29:45 PM

Maybe I know more than you.  

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...No I do not know Flynn was railroaded
Date:	12/6/2020 4:48:03 PM

You will have a difficult time convincing Archie of that.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Show Me Lifer
Date:	12/6/2020 5:03:26 PM

Show me the evidence you have or is it based on evidence from Saturday Night Live????? You believe in the Constitution but don't believe in producing creditable evidence. Under our from of Government, one is innocent until PROVEN quilty except in Alabama. Now, I understand how it works. If you lose it was stolen. Now, that is funny chit.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...No I do not know Flynn was railroaded
Date:	12/6/2020 6:07:19 PM

Not going to try.  I know what I know but he doesn't and I won't waste keystrokes trying to open a closed mind.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...You very well may
Date:	12/6/2020 9:20:14 PM (updated 12/6/2020 9:23:29 PM)

know more than me but I know enough to oppose the traitorous proposal that would destroy America and apparently you don't.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...You very well may
Date:	12/6/2020 11:08:58 PM

Do you not read others' posts, or do you just ignore the inconvenient?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...You very well may
Date:	12/7/2020 3:18:59 PM

What does whether or not l read other posts (generally l do read most except from WIX, Lifer, Phil and some of those from MM that are longer than an article in NewYorker) have to do with what you say (or don’t say) in your’s? 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Another LIE
Date:	12/7/2020 4:43:20 PM

You read EVERYTHING we post.  We know this becuase you constantly refer to things we have said.  Just more lies from you who lies continuosly.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Humm...You very well may
Date:	12/7/2020 11:51:58 PM

If you read...and comprehended...my posts you wouldn't make some of your asinine accusations.  Seems to me you cherry pick the things you want to rant about.  Just lowers the worth of your posts and enhances their comedic value.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Nothing wrong with giving you a chuckle
Date:	12/10/2020 9:44:43 AM

so what is wrong with you answering a question on occasion?