Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/6/2016 11:18:19 PM

Can anyone explain to me why you would want "open" borders and are willing to bring in thousands and thousands of Syrian Refugees and other immigrants when the FBI and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson admit there will be no basis to vet them through the databases it uses to determine if they have ties to terrorism, particulary when such action would take away jobs from our own citizens?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 12:34:44 AM

The first part of your question is logical.

However, to use this as an excuse is just playing games....."particulary when such action would take away jobs from our own citizens" Hell, your logic would mean every immigrant who ever entered the country should have been bared since they may have taken a job from our own citizens. You can do better..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!( This is meant to emphasis my point)

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 2:16:54 AM

I partially agree with you given certain qualifications. The fact that we have basically had "open" borders for the past few years has allowed untold numbers of illegal aliens to enter the country with no knowledge of how many have entered and without any information about their background and their purpose for coming. This has resulted in thousands of unwanted persons who do take away jobs from our own citizens who should be the first to be provided with employment. The fact that we have ignored the "laws" passed to control immigration has created an untenable problem for our country. Why should we taxpayers have to provide more services and create unsustainable debt for people who should not be here to begin with?  We can't take care of everyone.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Why is Hillary calling for a 550% increase in Syrian refugees when we can't even provide jobs and servics for our own people who are poor and in need? As you well know, we have taken jobs away from our miners and steel workers and others by "regulating" them out of the workplace. While you don't give us credit, we are smart enough to know that uncontrollable immigration adds to the numbers that liberals can bring into their fold and increase their numbers for the future. And the beat goes on!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 7:31:37 AM

But eye you need to read up on Saul Alinksi. His thesis is the best way to bring the system down from the inside by overwhelming the system to the point of collapse, then the great socialist utopia can rise from the ashes. It used to be that in order to enter you had to show some skill set that would allow you be self sufficient. A butcher, Mason, carpenter, shop captain, engineer,  anything that made one employable. Not they are given a pamphlet in any one of 15 languages with instructions on how to get welfare, medicaid and a whole trove of other benefits. These "refugeees" are given $1500 cash before they leave the processing center with monthly checks to follow. One of the best scams going is Mexicans come across work a while then get on SD and then no one back to Mexico and get that 6-8 hundred a month from the treasury. But in a remote Mexican village that gives   them a Kings lifestyle.

Now one or all of the resident idiots,  I mean libs,  will come and say I am crazy, but I challenge anyone to find anything I've e er been wrong about. Not saying I am perfect, just I don't say anything until I have researched it and k of what I am talking about. Remember I said Dems bus folks to different polls. Wiki proved me right. Then copper and Archie made fools of themselves arguing over the insurance deal. Their fellow traveler goofy finally set the record right o  that. That's just the 2 most recent events. There have been others through the years.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	The Rules..................by Marx
Date:	11/7/2016 7:49:36 AM

 

The Ten Planks of the  Communist Manifesto 1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx

How "Marxist" Has  the United States  Become?

 

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Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States.  How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims?  You be the judge.  The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..
 

 

 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago.  These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.
 

 

 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of  Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death.  Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .
 

 

 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.
 

 

 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States.   This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective.   Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.
 

 

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises.   Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.
 

 

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls.   The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
 

 

 8. Equal obligation of all to work.  Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.
 

 

 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.
 

 

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .
 

 

 

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 So, is the U.S. a "free country" today?  Hardly!  Not compared to what it once was.  Yet, very few Americans today challenge these Marxist institutions, and there are virtually no politicians calling for their repeal or even gradual phase-out.    While the United States of America may still have more freedoms than most other countries, we have nonetheless lost many crucial liberties and have accepted the major socialist attacks on freedom and private property as normal parts of our way of life.  The nation, whose founders included such individualists as Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, James Madison, John Adams and Patrick Henry, has gradually turned away from the principles of individual rights, limited constitutional government, private property, and free markets and instead we increasingly have embraced the failed ideas and nostrums of socialism and fascism.  We should hang our heads in shame for having allowed this to happen.

But, it is not too late to reverse these pernicious burdens and instead enact pro-freedom reforms to put our nation back on track again. It can be done.

In some ways the Left has a head start over us on the pro-freedom Right.  The enemies of American freedom do admittedly dominate the entertainment industry, television news media, and academia -- but we have the tremendous strategic advantage that reality (including man's nature) is on our side; so, unlike the socialists and "liberals" (welfare-state fascists), we are not in the position of having to advocate a system which constantly tries to "make water to go uphill" -- or force human beings into a rigid utopian staitjacket based on the whims of some clique of central planning bureaucrats.  We know that individual freedom for peaceful people within a constitutional republic works in practice; our country's history demonstrates that.  The piecemeal abandonment of those principles and institutions which once made America great has proved to be a a dead-end road to failure.  That is why I tend to be a long-term optimist even though things often look pretty glum in the meantime.  Just as Prohibition was eventually repealed, I feel encouraged that such key statist achievements as the income tax, government schools, fiat money/central banking (the Federal Reserve), "environmentalist" regulations, property forfeiture laws, and other Marxist planks and leftist institutions can be rolled back and repealed altogether, although it may take several decades.

Those who would carry forward the ideas and principles of self-ownership, private property, free markets, laissez faire, the rule of law, and constitutionalism which informed America's founders must become more active on the key ideological battle fronts.  We need more influence not just in politics, but in areas of entertainment, academia, journalism, think tanks, churches (we need our own individualist Walter Rauschenbushes), literature, art, and other venues of expression and activism.

Marxism and socialism have proved to be colossal failures all over the world.  As Frederic Bastiat wrote in his classic The Law  just prior to his death, "let us now try liberty"!

 

 
 
 
 
 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 9:06:46 AM

The therory is that illegal immigants take jobs that Americans don't want and wouldn't do.  Also that farmers are dependent on immigrant labor, because they are exempt from minimum wage and farmers claim they cannot pay minimum wage. The truth is that these people live as close to the bone as possible and send all of their wages to their country.  They don't spend it here. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 10:13:58 AM

I have a solution. I recently switched an article with pictures about the new Saudi regional airline show the filth left behind including feces an a toilet seat. It was about Saudi attitude toward manual labor.  They don't do it.  It is beneath them. That being said as the illegals come across the border load them o  a one way flight to Saudi Arabia where there really is work the citizens won't do. Several problems solved with action.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 12:17:16 PM

What you describe is a meager attempt by the government to justify bringing in laborers to do farm work that our own workers will not do. I agree that farm labor is not a desirable way to earn income. However, being a teenager in the 1950's, I picked cotton in a 9ft picksack and was paid $3.00 per hundred pounds picked. If you were a reasonably good picker you could pick about 200lbs a day in temperatures averaging 90 to 100 degrees. The cotton fields were picked by both blacks and whites working alongside each other during the months of August and September. This was before the government(unlike today) was paying more in the way of benefits to stay at home and do nothing rather than work for a pay check.

No, I don't say we should go back to the "olden" days, but I do say our government has created the "mess" we are in today. There were what we call "commodities" being provided to those in need which for the most part consisted of powdered milk and cheese. I don't recall people starving because the adult members of the family doing whatever was necessary to provide for their families. Yes, those were the days when many families raised their own cows, hogs, and chickens and grew gardens to supplement their needs for food. Families used to have "smoke" houses where they would cure their "own" meat and store it during the winter months. The government is obsessed to giving out cell phones and other benefits that one should have to work for. When you take away the need and desire to work and have produced a society that has failed to produce jobs for its citizens, you have eactly what we have today, 95 million able bodied people who are not in the work force. As a good example, Hillary says everyone should have a "free" college education, thus taking away any desire and need to work for what you want. Let's be "honest", nothing is free. We the taxpayers can't "support" the entire world. Hillary complains so much about the one percenter, why doesn't she and Bill put their money where their "mouth" is?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 2:53:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	One Question
Date:	11/7/2016 3:59:01 PM

Lifer, you are correct about Saudi Arabia.  Saudis don't do much labor.  That has been a frustraion with our military members who go over there (or just about any place in the Middle East) is that they feel no sense of commitment.  They may or may not show up.  In fact, one Army guy I knew said "never tell let a Saudi tell you his problem, because once he has, he believes he has passed ownship to you, and now it is your problem to solve.

They don't have any human rights laws or labor laws that apply to immigrants in Saudi.  So if they import people, those people can be treated like slaves. It's pretty much the same in Kuwait. 

As an interesting aside, a marketing guy told me that before the 1st Gulf War, if you made an appointment with a Saudi or Kuwaiti official, it may or may not happen, and sometimes marketing guys would be forced to talk to the back of an officials head.  And then there are the expediters or representatives, who must be paid in order to get the appointment in the first place.