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Feb
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8/10/2009 2:45:56 PM
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I am sure many enjoy the outdoors experience. I got my fill of it while in the military.
Campers should either camp on their on property, with written permission of the property owner or in public approved camping areas.
Camping around the Lake willy nilly without one of the above approved categories should be not be allowed and should be enforced as an illegal activity.
Some will say well it is not posted, but you are not allowed to hunt on property without it being in one of the above categories. Why not the same rule for camping?
I am posting this in reaction to the Goat Island ordeal, and the many other complaints posted on the Forum over the years about litter, nose, fires, and other abuses of priviledges.
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Bob
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8/10/2009 3:15:15 PM
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I could not agree more Feb. If they can't afford a lot on the lake let them seek out a public campground. I personally don't like seeing them in their little tents with their fires and nappy children running around throwing their juice boxes in our lake. I mean who do they think they are.
We need to have the MP's round up these people and get them off our lake. It would also cut down on the wake pollution by removing their little Bass Boats and 2 stroke PWC's. I hope you are well...see you for Martinis at Springhouse? If you get a chance get by Catherines for the Ahi...it looked great as I grabbed the eggs benedict there this morning on the way to take the Range Rover to Birminham for service...ciao
Bob
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Summer Lover
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8/10/2009 3:29:26 PM
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I would have figured that you would have had one of the staff take the Range Rover in for service - the loaner cars they give you are just not appropriate for a man of your stature. ;-) And unless I am mistaken FEB – APCO does allow camping on their land, Russell does not, but as long as we have those PUBLIC boat ramps, we will just not be able to enjoy the lake in a way that is fitting for us.
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Are there any rules?
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8/10/2009 3:48:29 PM
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I do believe that the lake is for everyone....my concern is camping abuse. We have an area near Paces Ramp Road that seems to have turned into a popular "unauthorized" spot. There are no "facilities" and occassionally we get direspectful tenants (i.e vulgar noise, litter, etc ). I think camping should be restricted to areas that have the appropriate accomodations to prevent litter and unsanitary conditions.
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Feb
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8/10/2009 6:26:16 PM
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I think the Lake is public, and all should have the opportunity to enjoy it.
There are probably far to few boat ramps, but they are expensive to maintain. Therefore, it seems they get little if any attention. In many States I have lived in public boat ramps require a fee for launching which helps maintain their use and clean-up.
If I am incorrect, then I stand corrected. Are the public areas around the Lake (whoever owns them, either AL Power or Russell) announced as open to camping - then I am wrong. Is this the case?
I do not see our Lake set-up to facilitate public camping. I could be wrong. We do not seem to have Park Rangers or the similar available to patrol such areas.
I am willing to listen and learn; therefore stand corrected.
My 1998 Ford F-150 can be maintained locally. I have to say it requires very little care. LOL
I first enjoyed the Lake at six years of age, and my parents did not own or could they afford to have property on the Lake.
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8/10/2009 6:27:14 PM
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FEB have you asked any of the campers if they had permission to camp? It could be that everyone has the appropriate permission. I hate to see the shoreline trashed but that may be just an accident. There will always be a few that do not follow proper camping rules but for the most part I have found campers to be very nice people.
Jump down off that perch of yours and vist with a few, I'm sure after a short visit with you, they will gladly show you their permission.
Have a nice lake day!!
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Just Curious
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8/10/2009 6:27:40 PM
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What are "nappy children"?
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8/10/2009 6:29:58 PM
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The liter is not just campers, try watching folks on the lake, on the beaches, they throw there crap in our lake every-weekend, even "those" with the Big Boats that own their own lot on the lake, what are you folks that think you are better than everyone
else going to do in 2013 when they open all that land from DARE park around to Sandy Creek for public use, hope you all sell and leave the lake, the lake is for all, that is why we have "PUBLIC"
access areas here. The better thing to do is pick up trash when you stop to swim at an island, stop and pick up that can or bottle floating in the lake instead of passing it by I most always r4eturn with more can's and bottles than I leave with......... Now ya'll are going to make Heather feel bad since she does not own on the lake and often camps on Young’s island. Camping is acceptable and has been doing for a very long time, anyone that try’s to stop it should be ran off the lake permanently. Just my 3 pennies worth.............
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| Name: |
Feb
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8/10/2009 6:40:53 PM
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Could not agree with you more. Maybe, I need to listen and learn from you. I am actully surprised that your and my opinions seem to vary since I have never detected it that way.
Where do they get their written approval from? I did not know it was a requirement or in effect.
You and I are in the same pew in the church. I also agree they should have the right to enjoy with responsibility. I bet the vast majority are nice and good folks.
I have to say there is very little if any camping in my sector of the Lake. I must be nieve to say the least.
Actually there are few if any public boat ramps in our sector of the Lake. I do see a lot of evidence of shore line fishing and sometimes the trash left behind of such. This means bottles, cans, and worm tubs.
It just goes to show we can not control responsibility and good citizenship.
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Just Goes to Show--
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8/10/2009 6:47:19 PM
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you can twist anything I have to post.
Have fun at it DJ.
I really do not have a problem in my sector of the Lake.
My response and thread started was based upon activity reported in many sectors of the Lake.
You and I agree on one thing, the entire Lake needs to be available and enjoyed by everyone.
Come visit me sometime. You might actually like me, and I you.
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No, it's not hurting my feelings. BTW I camp on the boat but just off shore of young's not on the Island. Thats not the point.
I think you can camp on Alabama Power Land, I think..... Most APCO lakes you can camp unless posted specifically that you cant. I worked for APCO for a few years and this is where I get this idea.
I know for a fact RL will not let you and the Game Warde's are active in running people off RL. The thing is, when campers clean up and do what they should do,no one thinks about it. They left it as good or better than when they got there. But you have the ones that trash everything and you see it, it brings the problem to mind and blankets every one with the bad behavior. It's like the sand beach on Woods Island, I go over there in the morning and start the gas grill and make breakfast and coffee for dad and I. Most mornings I pick up a fill 30 gallon trash bag of junk and trash. We are going home about that time so I chunk it in the cabin and empty it at Wind Creek park as we head home. It's the few bad that will destroy it for the rest. That being said. I do not disagree with any of the comments made here. I hate to be swimming and see a cigarette but or water bottle float by. Or pull up into some of the out of the way coves and see piles and piles of trash at the end that has washed over the years.
What to do about camping on the lake? Who knows, My part is and has been cleaning up when I come across something I can clean up and shaking my head over the things I cant. That's about it.
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8/10/2009 6:59:44 PM
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Glad you agree with me on this one. I think that is a plus for you and an indication that you ARE listening and learning from me. Atta Boy for you FEB. I am not sure if the campers have written permission or not because like you, I have never asked any of them. I do know that I owned a motorhome for several years and I met some of the nicest people and I would bet that if I spent time with some of the campers around the lake I would like them as well. I would do eveything possible to teach them to leave nothing but foot prints when they left. If I can be of help teaching you anything else...just ask. Have a great afternoon and remember I'm here for you.
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8/10/2009 7:13:19 PM
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I have learned anything from you. I simply think we are in agreement on most issues.
Now, where are you coming off with your superior than thou attitude?
I did not take you for such. You and I both could possibly learn from one another.
Just let me know when you want to meet and the lessons begin. First lesson is a less than superior attitude. I am beginning to think I have little if anything to learn from your attitude. I hope I am wrong.
What is there in your credendials I should learn from? Share some of your background.
Hope I am wrong.
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Camping...Clean Up
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8/10/2009 7:16:44 PM
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Just an FYI, camping is permitted on APCo property on a kind of don't ask, don't tell basis. Private property rules vary, and Woods Island and Young's Islands are both private property.
Each year a Renew Our Rivers Clean Up is held by the Middle Tallapoosa Clean Water Partnership on a designated and advertised Saturday. During my clean up experience, we have seen very few, if any, part time owners or campers participate in the clean up. The past three years we have cleaned Woods Island until this spring we could declare it vastly improved from three years ago. Literally tons of trash has been removed, mostly stuff left by campers.
We need help all year cleaning the lake, but we especially need the folks on this forum to help on MTCMP Clean Up day. If you love the lake, let's prove it.
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8/10/2009 8:12:57 PM
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Feb I do not have an inappropriate attitude, I was just kidding around with you and I think you must have taken it the wrong way. Sorry about that. You often come across as the one with the superior attitude (and I don't think you even realize it) so I was just having some fun. Now for the meeting part, that sounds like a threat, I have a place at the lake and if you will e-mail me I'll be glad to share the address with you. You are welcome to come and teach me anything you wish but I request that you leave the attitude you've shown in your reply somewhere else. As for my background, I retired from the medical field at age 50 and after a couple of years of retirement I got bored and went back to work part time. All this happened before my wife and I bought a place at the lake (might have been different if we had bought first). I am rich with friends and have the most wonderful wife anyone could hope for but I'm never ever too old to learn, so start teaching me if it will make you feel better. You may want to take a chill pill and and reflect on how short a fuse you have first.
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8/10/2009 8:28:32 PM
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this is a response to Bob - We camped out at Goat Island for approximately 13 years. During that time, we fed the goats. fed a raccoon that visited our campsite every night we stayed. It is not only the campers that might be leaving trash or harming the animals, but also the day people who live on the lake. We always left the campsite (Goat Island), in better shape than when we found it. To put all campers in one basket is wrong, as one bad apple will spoil the whole barrel. Why don't you stay at your place, never get out on the lake,and everyone will be better off. I do own a place on the lake and enjoy it very much. The lake is for everyone, not just a select few.
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8/10/2009 8:51:45 PM
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I doubt it is campers that are killing the goats on Goat Island.
Like any other group, I'm sure there are responsible campers who clean up after their campsite and leave it at least as good as they found it. There are also people that don't. But, I have to say, that I would prefer that people camp in designated areas where there is sanitary facilities to be used. I don't think that makes me a bad person -- just like many of you, I have a personal investment in this lake and I would prefer that it stay a place of natural beauty and not trashed.
I wonder why it is that everytime someone expresses a view, there are people that prefer to turn it into a name-calling session or someone feels compelled to post a sarcastic comment about the poster. In this particular case, several people felt that had to take Feb down a peg, and yes, he is my DH -- but it's not just Feb, it's other people too. You can disagree without making it personal. Reminds me of a bunch of male dogs having to run around and pee on the trees to mark their territory. No one will think you are not the biggest baddest dog on the block if you disagree without making it personal.
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8/10/2009 9:15:42 PM
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I have no idea who or what is killing the goats, but if it is "humans" I hope they are caught and punished. I too want the lake to remain beautiful and have and will continue to do my part to make sure that happens.
Now forgive me. :-) That running around and peeing on trees is not all it is cracked up to be. I know because...picture this... I just went out back and hiked my leg as high as I could and peed on a large oak tree and for some reason I sure did not feel the biggest or the badest. I must be doing something wrong 'cause I felt a little silly. Did I mention it was my neighbors tree? And I sure hope DH stands for Dearest Husband or something equal or better.
Good night and may God bless.
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8/10/2009 9:19:07 PM
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Here's the rule according to the game warden. Most, but not all, land above full pool shoreline is private property. But, anything below full pool shoreline is APCO property. I'm one of those campers that camp on Woods Island. We bring weed-eaters to cut grass, sweep up the grass and pine straw, clean up trash already there, sweep the beach area and old fireplaces with broken bottles and glass. And that's before we unload any camping gear. When we leave it's always much cleaner than when we arrived. Through the years I've noticed it IS the daytime beach-goers that leave drunk and a big mess behind. Mostly a younger crowd, not local. The older ones know better. Feb, if you go back and read your first post I bet you would wish you had worded it differently. If not then I can understand the response you got.
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lakeplumber
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8/10/2009 9:59:09 PM
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For the record
1. I do camp with permission from APCO.
2. I'm a friend of nature and animals, I do them no harm.
3. I always leave the site as though no one was there.
4. People that trash the lake tick me off too.
5. Cant we all get along?
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8/10/2009 10:01:10 PM
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Hmm. Should have known a male would take it literally.
Actually it is a metaphor for my long term observations about testosterone driven male behavior. Every time I've told it to another woman, they always get it right away.
I guess your neighbor's dog is going to be puzzling about that tree for a long time. LOL.
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Boy ..I sure miss
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8/10/2009 10:05:32 PM
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The entertainment of Lazerous aka Swimmer27 aka LTL
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Boy ..I sure miss
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8/10/2009 10:41:59 PM
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You may be a majority of one.
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8/10/2009 10:46:23 PM
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Thank You --
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8/10/2009 11:09:13 PM
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Sorry if there was something in my thread starter that bothered anyone.
I did type it once and lost it, and I had to go back and re-type again. Maybe, I came across wrong in someway. I regret it if I did.
My inital point was, I had to camp our (so to speak) and sleep on the ground and/or under-ground for a year and many other times while I was in the Army. I never really felt the desire to do so after all those ever so pleasant periods in my life.
I would actually appreciate you and other to spell out for me what and how I came across as negative or opposed to anyone enjoying nature. I don't want to seem negative or judgemental.
I do apprecate your personal efforts, and I am sure others make to keep our Lake beautiful. It is for all our benefit.
I try to clean-up as much as possible. My spouse and I have done as much as we can to make our Lake place (our full-time home) fit in with the setting of the Lake. It is our neighborhood. We will join all of you in this endeavor.
It is not only the Lake but the roads leading to the Lake which are trashed by actual litter and terrible sign posting all over the place on the public right of ways. It is horrible. People would never tolerate it on their city streets.
I would say it is sad we have such a huge expanse of wonderful nature without designated areas (with some few ammenities) for campers to best enjoy what belongs to all of us. It took me close to 50 years before I could even consider owning property on the Lake.
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interesting comment from an alias only 6 weeks old......and who might you really be?
Anyway, like most problems with our lake "campers" are not the issue; inconsiderate people are the issue. The term "campers" could be replaced with many other folks who enjoy Lake Martin.
So the real question is "how do you get folks to be responsible with their actions" when it comes to activities from camping, boat operation, lake property ownership, fishing, forum etiquette and more?
....I don't have an answer, and I don't believe there is an "exact" answer.
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8/10/2009 11:36:55 PM
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Thank You lakeplumber for your efforts to help keep our Lake pristine.
Please inform all of us how you obtain a permit from APCO for camping. I think it is something many of us are unaware of (I plead ignorance) and also needs to be broadcast to those who desire to camp.
I bet your fellow campers with good etiquette would appreciate a better reputation as opposed to being identified as goat killers and trashers of the Lake. Just like good hunters would appreciate and normally deserve the same respect.
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8/11/2009 6:32:55 AM
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Feb - Your post was fine. No need to apologize.
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8/11/2009 7:39:49 AM
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Your post makes me feel better, and I appreciate it.
I have re-read my post several times and even tried to read between the lines.
A written communications is the responsibility of the writer more so than the reader in order to communicate clearly.
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Boy ..I sure miss
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8/11/2009 10:53:08 AM
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I completely agree with you. The level of consideration of others is the issue. Part of the problem of "public" and free is that some people don't share with us a sense of responsibility for the lake. To me, it is a treasure. Not infinite, but vulnerable. And it is distressing to sit by helplessly as its pristine, natural beauty is destroyed by garbage, noise, fuel, exhaust, and development. If you look to older countries, you notice that sooner or later people realize that their water and their land are not expendable; so they take action to keep the idiots off it. We may not live to see it here in Alabama, but it will happen. I wish we could voluntarily de-idiot-ify the lake sooner rather than later. By no means do I think campers are the source of the problem. It's folks with a mentality to kill a goose or a goat or to mindlessly and noisily destroy something beautiful just for a thrill. People who are doing that kind of thing should be fined and kicked to the curb. Those of us who do feel some sense of responsibility for our lake need to take a stand against the "anything goes" attitude that some bring to this lake.
ps--we'll know in a minute if that dude is ltl
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Boy ..I sure miss
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8/11/2009 12:28:13 PM
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HA YOU caught me!
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Nice try Kirby
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8/11/2009 1:43:16 PM
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...but you ani't him.....lol.
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8/11/2009 10:25:47 PM
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Still saying... all you geese lovers... you will sooooo regret protecting them and loving them... they will make a mess of everything and drive off all the ducks that we love! Give them a year after they arrive! Promise!
URL: ...
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8/11/2009 10:45:48 PM
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Pretty easy. Ask them (not sure if my brother being an APCO executive helps or not).
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8/11/2009 10:52:36 PM
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...have you enen asked them, assuming that you are interested in camping?
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8/11/2009 11:29:58 PM
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No, I have not. Like I stated in an earlier post I have no desire to camp again the remainder of my life. LOL
I thought your knowledge would be helpful to those wanting permission to camp. Do you ask the same folks who are in Dadeville and handle building permits?
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8/11/2009 11:34:59 PM
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I have some hunting geese decoys along with weights if anyone wants to borrow them this Fall to hunt over. It has been a few years since I used them (like about 25 years ago).
My dogs do keep them away from our place; although they have zippo chance of catching one. They best hope they don't since geese can be pretty vicious.
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8/11/2009 11:43:43 PM
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I am new to this forum so I guess a hello is in order. I would like to comment about the trash left in the lake. Seems as if it is not so much a camper or boater issue as it is a not caring issue. The lake is like anywhere else in the world. Those that care will have to clean up after those that do not. No escaping it. Can't force them to care and you will only get into an argument for trying. There is no getting along with that type of person. They simply have to be tolerated. There will always be trash left in or near the lake. Like always, the responsible people will have to continue being responsible. And you can bet that those that are irresponsible will continue with that as well.
Rob
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8/12/2009 6:51:59 PM
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Since all my work is in Elmore county (except some repairs not requiring permits), I neither ask anyone in Tallapoosa nor Coosa for any permits. If I were to do a job requiring a permit in Tallapoosa county, I would indeed apply for the permit.
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No Sorry,
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8/12/2009 7:34:16 PM
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I was referring to Al Power Company permits for building seawalls, docks and boat houses on Lake land.
There is an APCO group in Dadeville on HWY 49 that receives, reviews and makes approval decissions on these request.
I was wondering if this was who you obtained your camping permit.
By the way, my Brother just retired as an engineer a couple of years ago from APCO/Southern Company.
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No Sorry,
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8/12/2009 8:13:26 PM
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Well I have yet to build any seawall or dock, so no permit needed for that (for me anyway).
Although permits for these items (piers, seawalls, docks or any such structure that goes beyond the full pool line into the water) are made to APCO, the approval has to come from the USACOE. All such items has to meet their specifications and have their approval or it is a no go.
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8/12/2009 9:34:32 PM
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With all due respect, I do not thing the Corps of Engineers are consulted on these matters on Lake Martin. I know they are the authority on Corps of Engineer controlled lakes.
My seawall, pier and boat house were all approved by Alabama Power. Trust me, it is not always an easy process. They can be rather subjective, but it maybe for the good of the Lake and dealt with on a case by case basis.
I was simply wondering if this was the Alabama Power Company office as the source for your camping approval? It seems you must of obtained your approval from a different office.
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lakeplumber
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I Think You are Incorrect
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8/12/2009 9:57:29 PM
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I simply asked my brother if I could camp at a site (across from Dixie SBC under power lines. He said yes, gave me his key and oof we went.
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But I will...
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8/12/2009 10:03:21 PM
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...readress the building permit issue with David (my brother). It is possible that you might be correct about the APCO being the sole party involved in the permitting and approval process. (We actually had this discussion about a year ago, and I don't remember every detail. I do know that he mentioned the COE being involved in some decisions affecting the waterway shorelines.
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But I will...
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8/12/2009 10:38:15 PM
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I don't think that Martin is a CoE lake. Believe APCO is king.
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But I will...
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8/12/2009 10:49:40 PM
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Might be correct. The gray matter doesn't keep too accurate records. And it probably doesn't really matter. The bottom line is that APCO (with or without COE say so) pretty much have jurisdiction on LM and much of the surrounding land.
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Amen
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8/12/2009 11:11:11 PM
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It is good they are now overseeing the building and etc.
In my personal opinion there are some dangerous construction areas around the Lake prior to APCO controlling it.
There are also some places where structures have hampered the view of the Lake for other property owners. They will no longer allow enclosed boat houses for example.
APCO now seems to have a significant concern about these issues and also the issue of enclosing water which does not allow access for boaters and fishermen. They now restrict the sq. ft. of pier/dock, boathouses in total a single home owner can have. I am now maxed out.
I do wish they would publish guidelines which spell out the rules "so to speak".
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bama dave
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APCO rules
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8/13/2009 12:55:05 AM
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Go to www.alabamapower.com, look up shoreline management, Lake Martin and all the rules are there. Here are the dock rules.
FLOATING DOCK (S): Floating dock(s) attached to a stationary pier should not exceed 12 feet beyond the stationary pier and no more than 290 square feet. If the floating dock is to be built with a walkway instead of a stationary pier, the dimensions will fall under the stationary pier category. Must use approved flotation (see below). Certain restrictions may apply according to seasonable water levels.
BOATHOUSES/WETSLIPS/BOATSLIPS: Should not exceed 800 sq. feet. Must be open and cannot be walled or enclosed; however, a portion of one exterior side may be walled for the placement/construction of an approved storage area. Sketch should show if covered (roofed), and dimensions. Non reflective materials must be used. No habitable fixtures are allowed in boathouses. Wet slips are uncovered boat mooring attached to a pier or a walkway. Boat slips are constructed by excavating into the shoreline and covering the excavated area with a boathouse structure. There are specific requirements you must discuss with Alabama Power Company concerning this type of construction prior to commencing any work. The boat mooring area (open water) can not exceed 12 feet in width and 28 feet in length.
** With regard to the construction of and remodeling of floating structures, flotation shall be encased or closed cell (extruded) expanded polystyrene of good quality and manufactured for marine use which will not become waterlogged or sink when punctured. All beaded foam material being replaced shall be removed from the reservoir and properly disposed of.
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Webmaster
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Goat Island
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8/13/2009 6:24:26 PM
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I was told by the former stocker of goats (years ago) that the problem was dogs scaring the goats into the lake and the goats drowning.
Research online says goats can swim if they have to but they hate getting wet, so would only do so to save their skins. I've observed more than one instance where a mammal has either gone into the lake or fell into the lake and could not get out because the bank was steep. Years ago our neighbors had some visitors and early one morning I found a Boston Bulldog floating legs-up in the water. All we could figure is he fell into the lake at night and drowned. Many animals are not going to have the smarts to swim 50 feet around the seawall to find the gental slope. They will eventually tire trying to climb the bank or wall. Same could happen with goats.
In my opinion, I think what is happening is people have good intentions visiting the goats. They take their dogs with them (as many lake goers do), not realizing the consequences. There's no telling how many times someone has watched their precious Fido bark goats into the water only to watch in horror as goats drown. Which obviously goes unreported... I bet there is guilt felt too. It's a problem of nature that was setup by man. Much of the bank on Goat Island is steep.
I know there was at least one incident years ago where goats were shot. That is why there are "No Firearms" signs on the island that Alabama Power placed there. I only mention this, but most of the time drowning was the suspected cause.
I have an old Lake Martin map (circa 1950) that calls that island "Sheep Island"... Makes me wonder if people used to put sheep on the island.
As far as other lakes, I find "Goat Island" all over the place. At least 103 times in my data of the United States (6 in Alabama). For some reason, putting goats on islands is a popular thing to do, not just at Lake Martin. Not to judge the ethicalness... I only report what I see.
Bruce
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