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NautiMinded
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Big ears...bigger mouth
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11/11/2008 3:31:07 PM
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BUSH ANGER: OBAMA AIDES LEAK CHAT DETAILS
Tue Nov 11 2008 09:28:10 ET
Just hours after President Bush and President-elect Obama met in the Oval Office of the White House, details of their confidential conversation began leaking out to the press, igniting anger from the president, sources claim.
"Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel," a top Bush source warned.
"BUSH AND OBAMA AT ODDS OVER AID FOR AUTO INDUSTRY," splashed the NEW YORK TIMES in an exclusive Monday evening, quoting "people familiar with the discussion."
The two met at the White House in private, without staff.
"Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia," claimed the TIMES.
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The ASSOCIATED PRESS quickly followed with details of the conversation, citing "aides who described the discussion on grounds of anonymity, citing the private nature of the meeting."
Bush advisers view the leaks as an effort to undermine the president's remaining days in office.
"Senator Obama may not be familiar with a long-standing tradition of presidents holding their private conversations, private," a senior adviser explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.
Developing...
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water_watcher
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Unite or Divide?
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11/11/2008 4:20:54 PM
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O just keeps demonstrating his inexperience and how dangerous he is going to be. He seems to be the one continuing to divide the country. He talks about how we should all come together .... but I guess what he really means is we should all accept his ideas as a way to unite ....
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drudge report - truly unbiased
spin, spin, spin
The funny thing is - reading the post - nothing really about Bush being angry. You guys really just read what you want to don't you?
Just a question - if they met without staff - how do the aides and sources close to Bush know what was said unless Bush did some talking as well??
How are you and the Drudge report getting from this that all of the leaks came from Obama's side?
try going to the NY Times and reading the article and then going to back story link where the reporter who wrote the story said the items came from BOTH SIDES.
I know posting this is futile
BUSH ANGER: OBAMA AIDES LEAK CHAT DETAILS
Tue Nov 11 2008 09:28:10 ET
Just hours after President Bush and President-elect Obama met in the Oval Office of the White House, details of their confidential conversation began leaking out to the press, igniting anger from the president, sources claim.
"Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel," a top Bush source warned.
"BUSH AND OBAMA AT ODDS OVER AID FOR AUTO INDUSTRY," splashed the NEW YORK TIMES in an exclusive Monday evening, quoting "people familiar with the discussion."
The two met at the White House in private, without staff.
"Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia," claimed the TIMES.
MORE
The ASSOCIATED PRESS quickly followed with details of the conversation, citing "aides who described the discussion on grounds of anonymity, citing the private nature of the meeting."
Bush advisers view the leaks as an effort to undermine the president's remaining days in office.
"Senator Obama may not be familiar with a long-standing tradition of presidents holding their private conversations, private," a senior adviser explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.
Developing...
URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/us/politics/11auto.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
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MartiniMan
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All Drudge does
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11/11/2008 6:14:14 PM
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is link you to other sites and has very little original content. You can critique his summary line but having a quote from someone in the Bush administration telling Obamination to keep his mouth shut does come off as being a little angry don't you? What about the tag line that doesn't comport with a portion of the content of the linked story?
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rude evin
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The Question.............
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11/11/2008 7:28:52 PM
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One must always ask to get at the bottom of something like this is................Who has something to GAIN from a leak like this.............certainly not GWB........... answer:BO and the Congressional Dems. They're playing hard ball on the Auto bailout and on the Colombia (sp?) issue. Don't blame them for the tactic...........but it does put the lie to a bipartisan effort on this one issue.
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Talullahhound
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Ridiculous
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11/11/2008 8:53:21 PM
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I don't believe this for a minute. This smells like an aide with an agenda or a low level flunkie who wants to feel important by being quoted on a non-attribution basis. Not so different either than those "senior" McCain aides who have been trashing Palin.
These are both educated men, and both are experienced politicians. I can pretty much guarentee you that they talked and it was likely cordial Neither has anything to gain by stirring the pot. When high level principles meet and there is no one else in the room, there likely were not even any notes that were passed out
as a result. Both are pragmatic if nothing else, and in Washington one doesn't generally slam any doors.
Nobody would be trashing the other.
As far as Drudge, he mostly operates on "rumit"
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Swimmer27
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Ridiculous
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11/11/2008 9:54:51 PM
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How is linking to other sites 'rumit'?
You libs hate him for breaking the Clinton/Lewinksy story when national 'news' magazines had been sitting on it.
Get over it.
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rude evin
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Oh contrair...........
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11/11/2008 10:12:14 PM
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BO has something to gain by putting public pressure on GWB (thru his proxy) to expand the bailout to include the Auto group...........Chicago style politics..........all up side, no downside.
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MrHodja
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Just An Observation
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11/11/2008 10:21:56 PM
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Yes, the negative observations of Obama continue......but it seems you are he!!-bent on defending each and every move he makes, whether needed or not.
A lot of your responses simply say you don't think that is the way it is. You aren't going to get a lot of converts among the "just the facts" crowd that way.
I was speaking with a gent today who works at the Kennedy Space Center. He says that Obama wants to NOT continue the shuttle program until Orion is ready - and rather than spend the money here in the US and help spur the US economy he wants to send OVER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS to RUSSIA for every American astronaut the we send to the Space Station.
Now how much sense does that make?
Nasreddin Hodja
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MartiniMan
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As predicted
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11/11/2008 10:33:19 PM
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I think we all predicted that there will be nothing but excuses and everything that happens will be blamed on Bush. It is all so predictable and follows the expected pattern. It is enjoyable in a twisted sort of way to watch them either spin or try to change the subject. They expect that they can spend 8 years doing nothing but play the blame game but now that their guy is in we have to all come together for the sake of the country. Where have you been the last 8 years???? Oh, thats right, you don't agree with Bush so its OK to be constant critics. Well we are just going to play their game and see how they like it. And none too well I imagine.
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Swimmer27
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Carnac the Magnificent says...
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11/12/2008 6:24:00 AM
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... that all the way up to the next election it will STILL be GWB's fault. He screwed thngs up SOOOO bad that it couldn't be straightened out in one term. Therefore we MUST re-elect O so that he can do all the things he promised to do this time.
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water_watcher
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Carnac the Magnificent says...
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11/12/2008 9:08:44 AM
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I think your crystal ball is excellent ....
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AUCATZ
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BO paved the way in his
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11/12/2008 11:12:01 AM
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first speech for that..."we can't do this in one day, one week, or even one term"...
Things I'm interested in seeing...
1. how he handles Iraq (they are scared to death of him)
2. if he closes Gitmo will he cede that land back to Cuba and open up trade, etc. with them?
3. if he moves troops from Iran to Afghanistan, how the loyal anti-war followers will react
4. how he deals with the auto industry and the unions - some of his biggest supporters
5. how his cabinet will shape up and if there will truly be bipartisanship or if it's all talk for show
the stock market continues to tank. It's not BO's fault. Blah blah blah...
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Talullahhound
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Wrong!
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11/12/2008 11:19:03 AM
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No, you are wrong about that. We used to read Drudge every day for the lastest on Marcia-gate -- it was soooo sleazy!
What I'm saying is that Drudge likes the sensational story. And I don't believe this particular one about the meeting with two educated, savvy politicians. Neither of them have anything to gain. My take is that this is nothing more than idle speculation. From what I've read about Bush, on a personal basis he is very gracious. Obama is very low key. I don't think there is a story there, but the media has got to say "something" even when there is nothing to report.
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Talullahhound
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Just An Observation
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11/12/2008 11:22:48 AM
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Asking the wrong person here. I think we ought to cancel the space program, period. I know that thought is not too popular in Alabama, but I'll be damned if I see what we get out of it, except jobs. Do you know that in my office we employed over 40 people to go out and monitor foreign space launches done by US companies? Just to make sure that if it failed, the company did not help them fault isolate the problem?
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Talullahhound
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Oh contrair...........
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11/12/2008 11:25:56 AM
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I don't think he will do that. He knows that he can do it the minute he is in office. He's not going to be stepping on Bush's toes. He's already said that there can be only one President at a time. and Bush has said that he wants to make the transition as smooth as possible.
Me thinks that y'all like the gossip too much.
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Talullahhound
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Big ears...bigger mouth
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11/12/2008 11:30:44 AM
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I think it is more interesting to see how it plays out than to worry and speciulate what will or will not happen. I find it amusing that you don't want Bush blamed for anything, but y'all go back to blaming Jimmy Carter for so much. What about blaming Clinton for appointing Alan Greenspan and his bad assumptions?
You must all know the joke about the three envelopes?
"Blame your predicessor" is always in the first envelope.
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water_watcher
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Big ears...bigger mouth
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11/13/2008 7:45:30 AM
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I will blame Bush for abandoning fiscal responsibility and spending too much trying to build relations with the democrats. But I support him on the war on terror and keeping america safe and for pulling us out of the recession left by Clinton after the tech bubble burst and being attacked on 9/11. We had 6 good years of growth until the democrats took congress and would not cooperate to address the warning signs of a finacial crisis and rising oil prices.
We may disagree on who is responsible for the current recession, but at least it is a healthy debate and what makes america great that we can debate. But even if you want to pin it on Bush, now Obama and the democrats can show how their policies will work taking over a recession, just like Bush and the republicans had to do with what they took over from Clinton and then 9/11.
The reference back to Carter that many of us have made is to point out that the last time the democrats had that chance was under Carter and instead of things getting better the policies made things much worse. Including the reduction in our military strength and allowing countries like Iran embarrass us with holding americans hostage for a year and the Saudi oil embargo.
We all are waiting to see what Obama and the democrats do. I hope he is successful and I WILL give him credit. But I really really really have my doubts.
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Pier Pressure
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BO paved the way in his
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11/13/2008 11:14:15 AM
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Closing the "prison" doesn't equate to closing the entire Naval Station. I don't see anyone giving up on that territory...
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Pier Pressure
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Just An Observation
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11/13/2008 11:48:31 AM
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What would Christopher Columbus think about that?
The space and defense industries are accountable for a majority of all technical innovations. When forced to find a solution thats viable for space life, or to fight a more humane war, the rest of the commercial industry gains huge benefits in leaps and bounds when the technology is released. You can't put a value on these innovations.
If you have ever used a GPS system then your question has been negated.
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Talullahhound
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Big ears...bigger mouth
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11/13/2008 2:33:12 PM
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And I agree, we'll see what happens. I think Obama will find that he will have a hard time reining in some in his party on the Hill. Contrasting his style with Nancy Pelosi, I expect to see a crack there early on.
I happen to agree with you that Bush did the right thing after 9/11. Flushing the Taliban out of Afghanistan was the right thing to do. My fault with Bush is Iraq. Didn't have to do it, shouldn't have done it. I think he let Pakistan have too much lead too. I'd like to reduce the mountains in and around the Afghani border to rubble. How that for a good hardline position?
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water_watcher
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Big ears...bigger mouth
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11/13/2008 3:14:57 PM
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Maybe so, I don't know. It sounds like you have much more knowledge in that area than most of us. But what husssain did to his people was horrible and I think it is great that we liberated them. The mistake was underestimating how Iran and the terrorist would react. But we did fight them on someone else soil rather and kept them running rather than allow them to stay organized to attack us again (which we know they would love to do).
Since I am originally from NY and was there the day before the attack, I thought for sure we would see multiple attacks on the US, so to see that there have been no further attacks, I give credit to Bush for keeping us safe.
The surge was a huge victory, it took too long. But Obama has made it clear he is going to reduce militart spending and stop development of space based defense systems and accelerate the pull out from Iraq .... so time will tell if a weaker approach results in renewed attacks on the US.
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Talullahhound
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Just An Observation
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11/13/2008 6:03:27 PM
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I know, I know. My former engineer employees who worked space programs would be so ashamed of me. They used to come in and talk space stuff to me until me eyes would glaze over. I'm sure there is a lot of good scientific research coming out of the space station, but I just can't get into it.
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Talullahhound
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Big ears...bigger mouth
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11/13/2008 6:24:05 PM
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I'm in favor of a strong defense, so if Obama starts cutting defense I'll be dam*ing him as loud as anyone on this board. And in the back of my mind, I know that it could happen. And I know what happens as a result and in the long run it costs us dearly. We end up with a hollow military.
I'm mixed on the Missile Defense. For one thing, I think it needs to be reined in a bit, because the money was flowing like the mighty Mississippi, and I'm not convinced that the planning by the Missile Defense Office was all that great. Every one wants to get the foreigners on board and promises get made that just can't be brought to fruition. There are a lot of serious technology transfer issues (some of which may have been solved by now, I don't know) but I do know the MDO was acting like the 500 lb gorilla as long as they thought they had WH backing. Not to say that is all bad, because sometimes it takes that to move the program forward, but some analysis is necessary. They have had their successes with the technology, but they've also had some real problems. And once you get foreigners on board, it's really had to put things in reverse or even slow it down. Air Force has been very successful in using this strategy when they want to do stuff that is expensive and might not be otherwise approved.
I highly recommend you read the latest Woodward book about the surge. It's very interesting, and I think it's pretty clear in the book that we had to do the surge. And probably should have done it much sooner. Lots of behind the scenes shaking and baking. I'm still not sure if Petraus is a military genius, or a huge opportunist.
I guess I'm just not optimistic about Iraq, because I don't think they really care. You would think the population would be pressing their government to get on with it. You know when they say "enshallah" (and I'm butchering the spelling), it really means, "don't bother me with this now". In other words, it's okay as long as some else is doing it. (the Central American collarary "manyana" (again apologize for the spelling) doesn't really mean "tomorrow", it just means "not today". ) And conventional wisdom is in the Middle East is never let an Arab tell you his problem -- because now it is your problem and he just walks away.
I agree, Saddam and his sons were horrible to the people.
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Pier Pressure
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Just An Observation
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11/14/2008 1:42:31 PM
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How about the International alliance which has formed? Space exploration is one area where we have good relationships with other countries...
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rude evin
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Just An Observation
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11/14/2008 1:53:06 PM
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And don't leave out Google Earth................and better mineral exploration techniques made possible from space high views.......and.......well you get the picture! :-|
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