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Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Women Given the Right to Vote in Saudi
Date:	9/26/2011 6:46:19 PM

and it appears that women are going to get the right to drive at some point. I experienced what it is like to be female in Saudi (only for a week) and these changes are huge. Not sure how they will be implemented (understand the right to vote will not take place for 4 years), but it is a start.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Women Given the Right to Vote in Saudi
Date:	9/26/2011 8:18:43 PM

I saw that too ... I did laugh when I heard that they will be allowed to vote, but they still can not drive a car. :)

Have to say the roads must be safe there ... :) .... that was a joke Hound.

On a serious note ... I do feel the change in Iraq is continuing to spread. I think SA saw what happened in Egypt, Libya and the protests in their own country and have started to implement reforms.

Whether we agree or not on Iraq ... I think it was the start of major change in the middle east that will ultimately be good.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Women Given the Right to Vote in Saudi
Date:	9/27/2011 9:20:46 AM

Where we differ is that I don't think it has anything to do with Iraq. I trace it back to Egypt. And I don't think the overthrow in Egypt was brought about by Iraq either. Remember it wasn't the people of Iraq that overthew their dictator, it was the US government. The people did not rise up. Watching the changes in the Middle East is very interesting to me. I think the Kingdom is hoping that controlled change might forestall an overthow. But, I'm also interested in seeing the reaction of the religious leaders. Saudi is the spiritual center of Islam.

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	What's next?
Date:	9/27/2011 12:31:08 PM

Bikinis?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What's next?
Date:	9/27/2011 3:24:08 PM

No, they'll uncover the windows that sell women's clothes.

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	as democommieprogs advocate suspending US election
Date:	9/28/2011 7:00:13 AM

More leftist spit on the US Constitution. The pattern of flagrant disregard of the constitution is now an acceptable trend among the dems at state and federal levels. zerO issuing executive orders countering law, while he and his reps speak openly of working around the legislature, now the female governor of a sovereign state calling for suspension of congressional elections. From the Charlotte Observer Speaking to a Cary Rotary Club today, N.C. Gov. Bev Perdue suggested suspending Congressional elections for two years so that Congress can focus on economic recovery and not the next election. "I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that," Perdue said. "You want people who don't worry about the next election." The comment -- which came during a discussion of the economy -- perked more than a few ears. It's unclear whether Perdue, a Democrat, is serious -- but her tone was level and she asked others to support her on the idea. Perdue's full statement: "You have to have more ability from Congress, I think, to work together and to get over the partisan bickering and focus on fixing things. I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. The one good thing about Raleigh is that for so many years we worked across party lines. It's a little bit more contentious now but it's not impossible to try to do what's right in this state. You want people who don't worry about the next election."

URL: Emperors lackey floats trial balloon

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/28/2011 8:01:50 AM

Why would you think this is coming from the WH? Your hatred of Obama is causing you to have delusions. On the surface, it is not a shocking concept -- that the country would give lawmakers time to focus on the problems instead of fundraising for their next election. But that would assume that they actually cared about solving the country's problems, instead of thinking about their next sound bite and casting aspersions and blame at the other party. BTW, I assume you meant this to be a new thread, since it has nothing to do with women voting in Saudi.

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/28/2011 8:24:08 AM

This thread celebrated earning the right to vote, in a country halfway around the world. I just noted that here, in the US, we have an administration, and elected officials, working daily to subvert our electoral rights. Your thinking that I hate dear leader is without foundation. I hate the outcome of his efforts to destroy our economic system, our dollar, our representative government, rule of law, our borders, military strength, world standing, small business, American family, education, and my health insurance plan. I would not expect that you would find it shocking, or even distasteful, as you made a career in the unelected, unaccountable, bureaucracy.

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	GASP!
Date:	9/28/2011 8:40:10 AM

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	Never
Date:	9/28/2011 8:46:19 AM

Never give up any right to vote. It is one of the few dwindling controls the electorate has over the political class. It has become crystal clear that politicians are increasingly acting in their own self interests. Removing their accountability for only a moment would not be a good idea.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Never
Date:	9/28/2011 9:40:11 AM

I didn't say I thought it was a good idea. I just said that I didn't think it was a plot by the WH.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/28/2011 9:42:33 AM

So bitter, so filled with hate, and so judgmental.

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	that is just your opinion
Date:	9/28/2011 10:49:59 AM

again reflective of that so easily offended bureaucracy you made your career in. All knowing and all powerful, unelected, unaccountable, ineffective and unresponsive. Tear off the blinders. It took me 3 years away from the biggest corp to begin to understand, in real terms, the damage we, and me, infllicted on so many different things, environment, wages, benefits, small to medium biz, etc., but my rehab is nearly complete.

Name:	lotowner -	Reply
Subject:	Never
Date:	9/28/2011 11:54:33 AM

Was he not compared to the biblical Moses by some of the media in the early days and a few of the Hollywood elite wanted him to be "President for Life". Seems like the media got confused with Moses and Judas.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	That is right
Date:	9/28/2011 12:38:37 PM

It's my opinion, based on what you post.

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	this time
Date:	9/28/2011 1:18:52 PM

you didnt misuse the r word.

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	Never
Date:	9/28/2011 7:12:14 PM

More like Moses & Ahab

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/29/2011 11:01:12 AM

Hound, I don't think this is coming from the WH but Obama and several of his minions (including his press secretary) have made comments along the lines of wishing they didn't have to deal with those pesky checks and balances in our government system. We shall see what happens as we approach November 2012 and Obama's class warfare and charges of racism aren't working. What will be hearing from them when they are desperate? Time will tell........

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/29/2011 10:51:55 PM

I've never heard anything from the WH that made me think they disliked the governmental checks and balances anymore than any other Administration. Did you see that Obama has asked the Supreme Court to look at a case on Obamacare? Now you aren't going to tell me that he has stacked the Court, are you?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/29/2011 11:01:20 PM (updated 9/29/2011 11:08:36 PM)

If there weren't a perceived political advantage he wouldn't have done it. If it gets thrown out he gets to say "hey all you poor downtrodden people those nasty old Republican conservatives took your health care away from you". Never mind that if SCOTUS says it is unconstitutional then it was the Dems who failed in their effort to put one over on the country. If it is upheld he gets to puff out his chest in "victory".

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/30/2011 8:23:50 AM

In the face of people saying that it is "unconstitutional" what choice does the Administration have but take it to the ultimate authority on "constitutional" law? Obviously, the Administration believes it will be successful. Considering that most of the provisions will not take effect until 2014, there will be plenty of time for abandoning it or making major modifications. While I don't particularly like Obamacare, I give props to the Administration for passing a framework. I have heard so many things said that weren't true about Obamacare, I suspect that a lot of people don't know what even contained in the plan. Present company excepted, of course. Before the economy tanked, most people thought illegal immigration and health care were the biggest problems facing the country.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/30/2011 9:32:54 AM

If I had more time I could get you a list but Obama himself recently stated he wished he could bypass Congress. You might call that a flippant statement but as we have seen with the roving bands of blacks attacking white people because of the color of their skin you realize that words have meaning. Please don't tell me you really believe Oblamer sending Obamacare to SCOTUS is because of his love for the system of checks and balances? This is a purely political move to aid his reelection bid. Two scenarios that help him. Law is confirmed by the SCOTUS and the GOP loses its argument about the law being unconstitutional and has to rely on it being unpopular. He simply argues that its unpopular because of all the lies told about it and people will change their mind as its implemented. Doesn't work on intelligent people but could fool a lot of independents (those same ones he fooled in 2008). Law is vacated as unconstitutional (a more likely outcome because of his disrespecting of SCOTUS in his state of the union and the fact that the law is actually unconstitutional). Takes away a very unpopular law that promises to be the centerpiece, along with jobs and the economy, of the GOP argument that he does not deserve a second term. And it provides red meat to the left wing nuts that he needs another term so he can appoint a leftist to replace one of the right or center-right justices. All in all good politics but not done out of any respect for the constitution or the system of checks and balances. I can assure you if he could figure out a way to do it he would bypass Congress altogether.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just one person's opinion
Date:	9/30/2011 3:32:19 PM

No, I believe he is doing it to shut up the critics (and for political purposes).

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	How will that work?
Date:	9/30/2011 3:58:06 PM

It won't shut the critics down because regardless of how SCOTUS rules it will still be unpopular because the American people are not fooled on this one....at least a majority aren't. Everything Obama said would happen and not happen has been demonstrably wrong. Everything critics have said would and would not happen have been proven correct. We will have to agree to disagree but I still think it is pure politics.....and smart politics at that.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Kaiser Foundation Study Results from Tapper of ABC
Date:	9/30/2011 4:02:58 PM

Perfect timing for this thread. Here are his questions. "A new study by the Kaiser Family Foundation underlines that many of the promises surrounding President Obama’s health care legislation remain unfulfilled, though the White House argues that change is coming. Workers at the Flora Venture flower shop in Newmarket, NH, remember when presidential candidate named Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., promised that their health care costs would go down if they elected him and his health care plan was enacted. On May 3, 2008, the president told voters that he had “a health care plan that would save the average family $2,500 on their premiums.” Last year workers at the flower shop saw their insurance premiums shoot up 41 percent. The Kaiser Family Foundation shows family premiums topped $15,000 a year for the first time in 2011, increasing a whopping 9% this year, three times more than the increase the year before. The study says that up to 2% of that increase is because of the health care law’s provisions (me: and that's just the beginning), such as allowing families to add grown children up to 26 years old to their policies." "The Kaiser study also indicates employers are switching plans and shifting costs onto employees. Half of workers in smaller firms now face “deductibles of at least $1,000, including 28 percent facing deductibles of $2,000 or more,” according to the study. Doesn’t that fly in the face of the president’s promise that “if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan”?"

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	How will that work?
Date:	9/30/2011 11:41:36 PM

No doubt it is politics, and I meant from a political perspective that if he gets a favorable ruling from the Court, he can say that the SC ruled that it's not "unconstitutional". That's what I meant about shutting up his critics. I've lost track about whether people are still against it. Since the economy tanked, no one is talking about health care.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Got it
Date:	10/2/2011 1:09:41 PM

I gotcha. Latest polls running between 50% and 60% wanting it repealed. Even worse when you ask questions like will it make health care more or less affordable, better or worse care, greater or less availability, etc. Most Americans, even those that support it, think it will not perform as Obama promised.

Name:	Dippin Skinny -	Reply
Subject:	as democommieprogs advocate suspending US election
Date:	10/4/2011 3:12:51 PM

I absolutely agree! As soon as the 2012 elections are over, and all of the challenges, legal posturing, and just down right ugly cheating are over with, and sweeping changes have left the current ruling power scratching their heads at what went wrong, let's then take up the idea of suspending elections comfortable in the realization that the democratics already appear to be getting on board. What a great idea, Yes?

Steve

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	as democommieprogs advocate suspending US election
Date:	10/5/2011 7:35:51 PM

Have to separate with you on that one. Love the election results, hate the election results, or something in between, I can't, for even a nanosecond, without the benefit of long term indoctrination camps, begin to see the appeal of a legislature or executive without accountability to the people. Now, if you want to discuss rules changes for electoral participation, i.e. Super votes for producers and military vs. traditional vote for parasites, academics, bureaucrats, not yet convicted stimulus recipients, Daily Kos and Huffpo bloggers, all Media Matters staff and supporters, Hollywood's America Haters, Rev.'s Wright, Jackson and $harpton, commie agitators Trumpka and Hoffa, along with bailed out bankers, let's rock and roll.

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