Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter
Date:	7/17/2022 10:26:32 PM

"At least four people, including the shooter, are dead and others are injured following a shooting at a shopping mall in the suburbs  of Indianapolis according to local reports. 

Greenwood Chief James Ison said "a good Samaritan with a handgun" at the scene killed the shooter. He said two others were wounded and are being treated in area hospitals.

The shooter has only been described as an adult male. Police said he had a long rifle and several magazines of ammunition."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-shopping-mall-shooting-police

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	7/18/2022 8:15:31 AM

Yes, this happened, but what of it?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	7/18/2022 12:12:00 PM

I believe this is one of the areas where Goofy and most of the rest of us agree......guns are not the problem and taking them away from law abiding citizens will only increase crime.

Name:	Old Diver -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	7/19/2022 4:30:40 PM

According to Dr. Lott 

: When a mass shooter has no armed resistance they average shooting some12. When they are met with armed resistance they average three!

    I believe one of the main reasons for someone shooting of strangers is the publicity when they comitt suicide by cop! If the media would report the incident and don't give his name. Don't interview every one who knew him. Deny  his 10 minutes of faim!

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter
Date:	7/19/2022 4:34:04 PM

a few things I notice from your post:

1. yes a good guy stopped a crime and probably additional deaths ( with a gun ) 

2. you are apparently OK with Fox news as a source?  

Name:	willallie -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter
Date:	7/19/2022 8:32:06 PM

I love it.   He quoted Fox.   And I hope more good guys do the same 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter
Date:	7/20/2022 8:53:15 AM (updated 7/20/2022 8:53:32 AM)

Guess he finally realized that Fox is better than the left wing media - still sux but better than CNN and the rest of the DNC propaganda.

As much as he complains about Fox it is really funny to see that he is now running to them as his source of the day.  but since he still is DJs best cheerleader I do not hold much hope that he will ever stray from the DNC Plantation.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 9:12:28 AM (updated 7/20/2022 9:15:29 AM)

Unlike Uvalde where 400 cops stood around while kids were killed in a gun free zone - 

The "Good Guy" from the time of the criminals 1st shot took 15 seconds to deterrmine where the shots came from, get in postion, wave people behind him (not 2 minutes as earlier was reported) to send his 1st 9mm lung launching removal rounds* 40 yards into the criminal saving lives.  He followed up for a total of 10 rounds - 8 entered the criminial until he dropped to the ground and was no longer retreating into the bathroom where he prepped for the shooting and may have had additional weapons stashed .  Apparently he did miss on 2 shots.  No military or police training - but I would assume he was familier with his gun and has spent some time at the range.

*foot note - both lungs and other organs were still inside the criminal, forensics, DJ, White House and the NRA need to investigate to determine why the lungs did not detach properly from the criminal when struck by the destructive power of the 9mm weapon of war with high capacity mags.

Some information above has come from previous reports and is not included in the below press release.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/18/us/greenwood-indiana-mall-shooting.html

Many on the left/news media have not wanted to call this man a hero or good samaritan(GFY settled for "Good Guy") - I think many titles are appropriate for this man - but hero should be the top of the list(unless you have something even better)  and DJ should give this man an award ceremony, but we know that will never happen.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 9:23:22 AM

Hitting a moving target with 8 of 10 shots from 40 yards is excellent shooting at a gun range.....nothing short of miraculous given the circumstances.  I have no doubt this guy practiced with his gun.....a lot.  If not, he had divine guidance in stopping the shooter in 15 seconds.  As for Uvalde, I have intentionally not gone beyond the headlines because it is far too disturbing to think that they left this guy alone in the room for so long.  Both events in my view are prime cases to demonstrate the folly of gun control.  When they tell us we should not defend ourselves but instead wait for "trained" police officers I will respond that the families of the Uvalde victims would disagree.  When they say law abiding citizens carrying a weapon is a danger to others I will respond that those saved by the hero in Greenwood disagree.

I do have to admit one area of anxiety.  While it was over quickly I have to wonder what might have happened had the police showed up right away.  Would they have shot the wrong guy?  I think that's a real possibility and am so glad it didn't happen.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 10:33:11 AM

The military needs to go get this guy and employ him as a sniper.  8 of 10 from 40 in an extremely volatile and fast moving situation is almost unheard of.  I suspect 40 yards might be a bit generous, but frankly even at 25 yards getting 8 of 10 on target is quite impressive, especialy with a handgun.

And the anti-gunners are objecting to the term "Good Samaritan".  I'd be willing to bet those in the vicinity of the shooting who were not harmed would disagree and gladly agree with his being referred to as a Good Samaritan.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 10:35:30 AM

100% positive if police had showed up in the first 5-40 seconds the hero would be dead as well.  

From what I have been told by police officers is once the situation is over or as quickly as possible - put it away, hide it under a trash can anything to get it out of sight - and talk to the officers, explain the situation, tell them you are armed and what happened.

If they see you with the gun(and firing- or possibly not) expect them to mag dump into you until you stop moving - they will not wait to see if you are the good guy or the bad guy to them your just the person with a weapon.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 10:53:28 AM

I agree and am going with divine intervention here.  Reminds me of a story a friend who served in Vietnam tells about the very same topic.  They were clearing a Catholic Church and heard noise in a dark alcove beneath the altar.  He was getting ready to spray it with gunfire and he felt a hand gently lower his weapon.  When he looked in there were about 30 Vietnamese women and children praying the Rosary.  He credits that hand that lowered his gun as the Blessed Mother.  Every time I hear him share that story the hair on the back of my neck comes up.  I believe in divine intervention and this one may be another great example.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 11:35:23 AM (updated 7/20/2022 11:36:49 AM)

Hmmm…

I have attended multiple concealed carry courses… conducted by law enforcement professionals. I have decades of weapons training in the military (including urban combat, range safety, and especially target engagement).

I seriously doubt any preconception that the police will capriciously engage and destroy any person who looks like he might have a weapon. THAT flies in the face of ALL weapons training I have ever attended. They have been taught to IDENTIFY their target BEFORE they shoot.

Firstly, you will not have any problem discerning that the police have arrived. The moment you see them (as is likely the moment they see you) do the following:

1 – Immediately place you weapon (visibly) on the floor. Don’t look or act like a target.

2 – Put and keep your hands up where they can see them.

3 - Step away from your weapon.

4 – Follow their instructions to the letter.

You will likely be handcuffed and taken to a cruiser. That is not unusual. They will question you.

Your mission WAS to stop the active shooter. When the police arrived, it became THEIR mission.

If all of the above is not crystal clear to you:

1 – You NEED firearms training by a qualified professional if you carry.

2 – And YOU are the WRONG person to respond with a weapon.

I have many friends in law enforcement. I will ask about your expectation.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Good Guy Kills Shooter - updated
Date:	7/20/2022 12:01:36 PM

Maj....not sure this was so much an expectation on my part as it was just a fear about something that could happen.  I do know that the police, through no fault of their own, do accidently shoot people in the fog of a crisis situation.  So I wasn't saying this to criticize the police in the least.  In fact, if it did happen, while tragic it would be completely understandable.  It just occured to me as a what if scenario that thankfully did not happen.  But police officers are not superhuman despite all their training and they do make mistakes in pressure packed situations.  Thankfully not often....but they do happen.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	But, what if?
Date:	7/20/2022 12:22:28 PM

I know it happens in the military:  "Friendly Fire"

Part of being a CC holder and being willing to defend against an active shooter is taking the risk of "going toward the sound of gunfire."  You expose yourself to the high possibility that YOU will be killed or wounded.  Even though less likely… that could be the result of friendly fire.

I have been shot at.  I have deployed my weapon (Iraq - but didn't fire because there was no visible target).  I know about adrenalin. I know how hard it is to keep focus. But purpose of sufficient training is to gain confidence in yourself and your abilities... and to have muscle memory so that your body knows what to do... and what NOT to do.

The police have time to appreciate what they are about to do. Even though their plan cannot possibly survive the reality of the encounter, they have time to mentally prepare.

Unless you are shooting AT them, I doubt you will get a barrage from the police, especially if you are not active.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	But, what if?
Date:	7/20/2022 1:03:51 PM (updated 7/20/2022 1:06:40 PM)

If they walk in and see someone dumping rounds into a bathroom doorway and do not see the actual shooter - I hope training does kick in and they dont shoot and kill the wrong person. 

My comment is based on discussing things like this during active shooter training that was hosted by cops they said put the gun away as quickly as possible/hide it or you will probably get shot also if you are firing a weapon in a public place or in some cases after major loss of life even being NEAR the weapon.

I know many well trained cops who probably would not mag dump someone protecting others, once they figured out what was going on.

But there is also some officers who no amount of training can slow them down.  I had one who wanted to write me a speeding ticket for 30 over, wreckless and evading when I was doing the speed limit, chased me down and actually wrecked the cruiser and almost ran me off the road. She screamed she was going to arrest me - thankfully dash cam took care of all of that(before cop dash cams/body cams)  My word(and my dash cam) agaist hers.  Sometimes its the authority, cant do wrong, Im right and your not - or possible just see what they want to see.  She was not a member of that PD shortly after.

Thankfully her superior who showed up on the scene was very interesed in the video.

YMMV

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Hey Phil..Guess what????
Date:	7/20/2022 1:11:34 PM

What is the big deal about the source of a post?

“you are apparently OK with Fox news as a source?  

Guess he finally realized that Fox is better than the left wing media - still sux but better than CNN and the rest of the DNC propaganda.  

As much as he complains about Fox it is really funny to see that he is now running to them as his source of the day” LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

I USED FOX AND YOU USED New York Times for your source.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/18/us/greenwood-indiana-mall-shooting.

You are apparently OK with NYT news as a source?  

Guess you finally realized that NYT is better than the right wing media - still sux but better than FOX and the rest of the RNC propaganda.

As much as you complain about NYT it is really funny to see that you are now running to them as your source of the day.

After knocking Trump and now reading the NY Times, it is obvious you are just a closet DEM...Archie must be proud to know this.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Hey Phil..Guess what????
Date:	7/20/2022 1:25:26 PM

You got me - I post links to left wing news sites to backup my opinions, while calling them left wing news sites.  

You post links to fox news while calling them fake.

Oh no you caught me in my, honesty and use of websites to back up what I claim?