Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 9:36:42 AM

The country will re-open.  The governors are not going to worry about the WH recommedations - particularly any state with a coast.  Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride.  I will still be wearing my mask for the foreseeable future.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It had to happen
Date:	4/17/2020 10:20:33 AM

The reality is that the primary driver for the measures were models that have turned out to be wildly wrong and way overestimated cases and deaths.  And do not believe those that are saying the difference is the social distancing and shelter in place.  Less than 3 weeks ago and assuming social distancing and the shutdowns the models were projecting between 120,000 to 240,000 deaths.  As the data came in and the models were recalibrated it has dropped to 60,000 and may got lower.  And the mortality rate likewise continues to drop.  And there is no statistical difference in the outcome between states that instituted strict measures and those that didn't.  I suspect at the end of this studies will determine that they were only minimally to moderately helpful.  

But all DC can do is provide guidance.  It is up to each governor and each mayor to decide what they will do.  And we won't know for some time who underreacted, overreacted or did it about right.  Much depends on the locale and I could certainly understand if places like NY and NJ extend theirs for a while longer.  I can also understand those that don't.  And bear in mind, as of today only 0.21% of the population has been confirmed to have the virus.  That means the remaining 99.79% of us don't, unlike the ordinary flu where as many as 60 million get it every year.  And I still don't personally know anyone that has it.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	It had to happen
Date:	4/17/2020 12:23:21 PM

I hope someone is developing a plan in what order people will be selected to receive the Corus19 shot. There may well be a back market where one can buy a shot. Glad I am not running for President.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 12:46:51 PM

whatever happens you know its Trump's fault

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	It had to happen
Date:	4/17/2020 12:50:35 PM

What shot?  There's no vaccine and probably never will be or like SARS maybe it won't come back in the fall.  There are some promising treatment regimens but those are still being studied. 

I do agree that being President now is not much fun, nor being a Governor or Mayor.  As Trump said, this is probably the most important decision he has to make.  I put it into the category of sending the military into harm's way.....people are going to get sick and some are going to die.  Very tough decision.  I heard that to date 29 states meet the criteria for reopening or at least relaxing their restrictions.  Like the imposition of restrictions it will vary widely depending on the circumstances.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	It had to happen
Date:	4/17/2020 2:16:14 PM

You cant fix insane.  He is signing up for a nonshot and willing to inject from a unknown blackmarket - his life is governed by fear which makes perfect sense considering his posts.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 2:27:43 PM

Obviously, there's no vaccine available. I am just raising the issue of how it will be distributed when it becomes available.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 2:46:41 PM

I honestly don't believe any of it can be blamed on Trump, although of course, some will try.  I know in the beginning I was quite skeptical about the whole thing, so I can't blame Trump for being the same.  And if you consider the entire population of the U.S., not that many people are being reported ill.  

I do think that the governors are probably in the best position to figure out what is right for that state.  Except in Alabama... because I don't think that woman has a lick of sense, and I don't know how in the H*ll she ended up governor.  I see where her advisor is recommending that they reopen just about everything immediately.  

I don't know anyone that is sick- but having said that, every one I know is retired and is easily socially isolating and wearing their masks when they go out.  A lot of them have adult children and no one has mentioned that their kids were sick either.  Back at Christmas I was sick - I thought it was the flu, although I had a flu shot.  Now I wonder.  I was terribly ill with a high fever and horrible body aches and headaches for about 5 days and then it took another 5 days before I had any stamina.  Did I have some strain of the COVID?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 3:12:12 PM

Wife and I both had something similar back in late Jan - I have a feeling it was here earlier then they are reporting.  It very well may have been the regular flu - but the flu tests both came back negative.

Name:	Rich -	Reply
Subject:	It had to happen
Date:	4/17/2020 4:30:57 PM

Interesting article in the Smithstonian br John Barry in 2017 giving his research on the 1918 pandemic and his conclusion was truthful information to the public was the most important thing to gain cooperation in social distancing to slow down spread. That's why not telling from the beginning that we didn't have enough data on the current infection rate to produce good models until more testing was done was a mistake. The inflated numbers have made many not trust our leaders.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 4:31:56 PM

If it is limited it should first go to those that are at greatest risk of dying, the elderly, people with compromised immune systems, etc.  Typically they would just add it to the annual flu vaccine.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And Just Like That
Date:	4/17/2020 6:13:19 PM

Just saw the results of an antibody study in Santa Clara County, CA by some Stanford researchers.  Said that the actual number of cases there was between 50 and 80 times higher than reported.  It has been here for some time and wasn't recognized.  Good news is that the mortality rate may be 50 to 80 times less than reported.  Bad news is the % of those with antibodies was around 5% so that means no herd immmunity in California as yet.