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LifeTime Laker
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Think about this.....
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6/21/2007 10:56:54 PM
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All of you guys that think APCO should react to the drought differently than they have need to consider this. If APCO reacted to anomalies in the weather pattern, then after the dam overflowed in 1980 they would have LOWERED the winter draw down. Maybe even gone back to the 30ft draw down of the 50-60's. The reality is they don't react. They study patterns and plan accordingly. I mean after all, THAT event caused major damage, not just an inconvenience to lake dwellers.
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Osms
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Think about this.LTL....
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6/21/2007 11:07:05 PM
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You told me earlier that it was a very wet spring, had been raining a lot and the rivers and lakes were swollen. My guess is the lakes were already full and when the next big rain came the flood happened because the power company did not anticipate the rain and draw down the lake enough to hold the heavy rain. Key here, the lake was full at the time. Sounds like the engineering mistake was in not keeping the lake a couple of feet down in anticipation of additional rain. Dropping the winter pool an additional amount as you suggested doesn't help at all once the lake is full, but it sure messes up things when there is a drought.
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CAT BOAT
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Oh hell.....
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6/21/2007 11:21:56 PM
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babygirl
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CHILL OUT....
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6/21/2007 11:25:05 PM
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Ya'll are fighting a war that can not be won!!!! Read my post and think about it for a minute. Just remember, there is always next year and one year of drought is not going to kill us. Just sit back, relax and enjoy!!!
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I agree with EVERYTHING in both posts. Trust me, I understand how the forces of nature, and APCO work. Osms is the idiot that can't seem to understand it is NOT APCO's fault.
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BabyGirl
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6/22/2007 8:29:15 AM
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Lifetime Laker. You are a 100% correct. Osms is an idiot. Let's get an idea of who he is. He is probably between the age of 35 and 45. Drives around town in his big SUV burning all the gas he can. He made himself some money and got a lake house. Bought himself boat and knows nothing about navigation or taking care of a boat and he thinks the world owes him something because he made a little money. I am 34 and it sickens me about the attitude of people around my age. They think they know everything, have no respect for anything, and think the world owes them something. What's even worse is there are plenty of these types running around the lake and they are the ones complaining. If you don't like it sell your house and get off the lake.
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Chevy4x4
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I don't see...
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6/22/2007 8:44:24 AM
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How is osms placing blame on apco? Sounded like he specified corp of engineers to me....
maybe before we get our panties in a wad we should think before we post.
just make the best of it people.
A great man once said: "I'm not b**ching, I'm mooring!"
maybe i'll make bumper stickers.
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8hcap
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BabyGirl
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6/22/2007 8:56:21 AM
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You guys are incredible. You play the part of "know-it-alls", then complain about all the know-it-alls around you. You then play the class envy card - lets tax all the "rich folks" (be careful, that might include you to a politician) so they will be the same as everyone else.
But the most telling parts of your posts and LTL's are the name calling. The other posters are stupid and ignorant or both for not accepting the status quo and bowing to the Alabama Power gods.
Gotta go to work to make those big bucks!!!
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Osms
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Dumb and dumber
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6/22/2007 9:01:05 AM
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LTL, I think we found your 'buddy'. That Pontoonfisher is one astute young buddy. I'm still laughing at Hadenuff's post. I'm signing off this argument now--the word idiot is showing up again which indicates that some of us have run out of vocabulary.
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roswellric
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Gonna
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6/22/2007 9:33:09 AM
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rain the whole month of July. Full pool by labor day.
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Pontoonfisher
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Dumb and dumber
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6/22/2007 9:33:41 AM
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Notice Osms did not challege my description. I must have it the nail on the head.
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roswellric
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Oh hell-o
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6/22/2007 9:35:48 AM
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I don't know what has gotten crazier...the big boat controversy or the lake level.... I gotta think of something new......let's see...I saw some Iranians over at the dam the other day......
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raysea
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BabyGirl
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6/22/2007 9:41:05 AM
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Good post, "8hcap". Why shouldn't we question what APCo and the Corps does? I believe they are both "public servants" and home owners on Lake Martin are part of their "public". I don't want to second-guess them or anybody else and I do understand the unusual Drought conditions. By the way, I am not "new" to the lake either. Regardless of what some people may say, this year is not like any other year that I have seen at Lake Martin. It is unprecedented during my time at the lake.
The real question in my mind is: "Why have the other lakes in the Coosa/Tallapoosa river system not been drawn down the way Lake Martin has been?". See my post "Naive About Water Level" for details (accurate details and facts). I am sure there maybe technical, business, financial, or even legal reasons. I just want to know why the inequitable treatment.
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CAT BOAT
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Gonna
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6/22/2007 9:43:34 AM
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LMAO
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Osms
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Yeah, buddy
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6/22/2007 10:08:57 AM
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LifeTime Laker
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I think it is more like this.
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6/22/2007 10:12:47 AM
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He either inherited money, or he inherited a lake house. He is to stupid to have made any money. It was just in time too. You see they closed the Dadeville Hardee's where he was working as night shift crew leader.
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LifeTime Laker
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To the handicapped
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6/22/2007 10:19:46 AM
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I have never claimed to "know it all". I have claimed that I understand the workings of the lake and waterways better than most. And I have CERTAINLY NEVER played the "class envy" card. I am the most fervent capitalist around. Trust me, I like rich folks, they are easier to separate from their money.
But I will say this, IF I tell you a rooster can pull a freight train, all you need to do is hook up the harness.
My challenge is still open to all forum members!!
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LifeTime Laker
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Thats the point!!!
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6/22/2007 10:31:26 AM
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He is trying to blame PEOPLE, not God in the form of mother nature.
He is even trying place blame on APCO for the bridge washing out in '80 because the lake was 'already full' and APCO didn't lower the water level a couple of more feet in anticipation of more rain. Lets see, record rainfall filled the lake early so APCO should have lowered it back down to hold more water back. Makes perfect sense to me. Wonder how loud these guy would be screaming if APCO did that.
If I remember the story right, some of the gates had been opened for quite some time (days or even weeks) before the 'fatal blow'. At the time of the washout, ALL of them were open. You see in osms's world ONLY HE knows how to manage the waterways of the state. And since he inherited ( to share with his siblings, assuming his parents had ANY children that actually lived) the lake is supposed to stay at the optimum level for Osms's pleasure.
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BhamGirl
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Koombaya!
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6/22/2007 11:12:32 AM
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Ok deep breath...Hold hands and sing...
Koombaya my Lord...Koombaya!
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LifeTime Laker
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Try looking at it this way
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6/22/2007 11:43:01 AM
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Your question:
"The real question in my mind is: "Why have the other lakes in the Coosa/Tallapoosa river system not been drawn down the way Lake Martin has been?". See my post "Naive About Water Level" for details (accurate details and facts). I am sure there maybe technical, business, financial, or even legal reasons. I just want to know why the inequitable treatment."
My answer:
Try looking at it from a perspective of the VOLUME of available water in each of the reservoirs. I think you might find that the draw downs are more "equitable' than you realize.
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8hcap
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Try looking at it this way
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6/22/2007 12:08:49 PM
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Could it be that they raised the winter pool at two of these lakes?
Handicapped
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Because they didn't. They started raising a little faster than normal to achieve the higher levels. It was time to raise them anyway, they just accelerated the curve.
Now for you math wizards, 2 extra feet on Logan Martin is equivocal to how many tenths of an inch on Martin?
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Maverick
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2 Feet on Logan = 9.81 LM Inch
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6/22/2007 12:55:14 PM
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18,000 Acres Logan
44,000 Acres Martin
Logan 40.90909% the size of Martin.
24 inches x 40.909090% = 9.8181 Inches.
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LifeTime Laker
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2 Feet on Logan = 9.81 LM Inch
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6/22/2007 12:59:05 PM
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I didn't realize Logan had that much area. I was thinking it was about 10k. What is the area of Lay?
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Osms
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Why do you have to lie.
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6/22/2007 12:59:12 PM
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Two feet of water on Logan Martin equals 10.8 inches on Lake Martin. You figure it out. You also have maintained that Dadeville was not guilty of dumping raw sewage in the lake--they were only guilty of not reporting that they dumped raw sewage. Read the article you just posted. Just the facts--HA!
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Osms
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Why do you have to lie.
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6/22/2007 1:01:30 PM
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I consider the lake to have 40,000 acres.
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I said that the only time raw sewage was dumped was in times of severe rain the overloaded the system. You on the other hand, tried to imply that they did as a matter of routine.
FACTS, nasty little things that get in the way for the less intelligent who try to debate contraversial issues.
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Osms
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A sign of intelligence..
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6/22/2007 1:12:54 PM
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is the use of spell check and a calculator. But, if you already know everything......
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Maverick
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Lay = 12,000 Acres
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6/22/2007 1:59:46 PM
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URL: Alalbama Lake Acreage Chart, etc.
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LakeLover
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Think about this.....
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6/22/2007 2:33:29 PM
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This chart also shows Lake Jordan at 68,000 acres. One too many zeros there. (*_*)
LL
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CAT BOAT
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A sign of intelligence..
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6/22/2007 3:33:57 PM
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Yall are killing me. Send him a email OSMS.
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I haven't checked the email associated with this account for months.
Good idea osms, send me an email.
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8hcap
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NO
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6/22/2007 4:42:00 PM
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I think, but I am not sure, the changes made were as follows:
Drawdown starts one month later
Plug is put back in one month earlier, and
the total winter drawdown was reduced in half.
Driving over Logan Martin during the winter seemed to confirm the above.
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raysea
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Try looking at it this way
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6/26/2007 2:03:24 PM
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I wish you would do a little research and rely less on your own opiniions. The combine acerage for ALL the other lakes on the Tallapoosa-Coosa system is over two and one-half times the acerage of Lake Martin. That means that a one foot drawdown of ALL the other lakes in the system is roughly equivalent to two and one-half feet in Lake Martin. Please see my follow-up posts under "Naive about lake level".
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MythBuster
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Try looking at it this way
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6/26/2007 4:08:51 PM
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And we wish you would use a little common sense, and realize that it's not surface area that matters most in this argument, but volume. The lakes you mention are considerably shallower than Lake Martin. So, a equitable drawdown affects them much more than it does us.
Think of it this way: you have two lakes that have exactly the same amount of acreage, in exactly the same shape. So, from above, they are identical. But one of them has an average depth of 100 feet, while the other has an average depth of one foot. According to the "logic" that you are using, taking one foot's worth of water from each will affect each exactly the same. But if you apply common sense, you instead will see that one lake will be one foot lower, while the other lake will be completely dry. Are they still the same now? No? Even though they had the same amount of water taken?
But maybe you already know this, and all you are concerned about is you getting what you want, and to h#ll with anybody else.
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raysea
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Try looking at it this way
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6/28/2007 11:45:52 AM
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Math Buster;
I know that this will come as a great shock to you: When I compare a one-foot drawdown for all the other lakes to a two and one-half foot drawdown for Lake Martin, I am (are you ready for this) equating the VOLUME of water released. You see, surface area times drawdown depth equals VOLUME. It can be stated in acre-feet, cubic feet, gallons, or any other cubic measurement that you desire.
Oh, by the way, none of the lakes that we are talking about are anywhere near empty (they are all 90-plus percent full). Let's hope none of us ever see any of them near empty.
"Even a blind hog occassionally finds an acorn". You may have found one in discussing the total depth of Lake Martin compared to the other lakes. The deeper the lake, the higher the dam. The higher the dam, the more effective the generation of hydroelectric power. More head, more force to exert on the turbines. Hmm, makes you wonder.
I still think that you must work for APCo, heck you may run the darn place.
Trying very hard not to get personal and just present facts. Those of you who think this situation does not effect you and that the rest of us are self-serving, need to think about one important thing. If the current trend continues, property values on Lake Martin are goin to tumble. That affects every property owner on the lake (I am assuming that you are a property owner). Lake Martin has not been full since 2004. I personnally think that the construction of Lake Harris has a lot to do with this situation, but "that horse is already out of the barn". Today and into the future, we can push for two things: Minimize the winter drawdown and insist on equitable level management of all the lakes in the system.
Hope that you and others can get involved.
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