Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 3:30:11 PM

While his proposals "seem" reasonable and common sense what struck me were the comments "we have to do something" and "this time it's different".  Both of those reflect emotional responses that actually skirt the real cause of these issues and propose solutions that will do nothing to address the problems and will only pave the way for leftists that will want more and more and more.....  And I am certain that nothing he proposes solves the problem. 

I appreciate his views on the 2nd amendment but it appears to me he fails to recognize the way the left works.  Give them an inch (a slice of bread as he put it) and they will try to take a mile (the whole loaf).....they will never stop until they strip the rights of law abiding Americans of their right to self defense.  And they will never acknowledge reality about what has happened to our culture and how we are reaping what they have sown.  And I always find it ironic being lectured about gun violence by people who make millions every year in movies filled with nothing but gun violence.  

So I guess I am back to my original post that the only reason he is given a forum is because he is a celebrity.  I can't find a way to embrace ideas that I know for certain will do nothing and will only pave the way for more of our rights to be taken.  Law abiding gun owners are not committing these crimes and having more laws, of which a large number of which are broken in the act of violence, will do nothing.  And when these fail (if enacted) the left will not address the real issues, they will simply want more and more restrictions.  Like the trillions they have thrown away with the war on poverty they will always propose more of what didn't work in the first place.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 4:46:02 PM

Ah, so cynical.  Shooting the messenger because you like the message.  Of course he was emotional as I certainly hope you would be as well under similar circumstances.  Do his proposals, which I don't agree are emotional proposals,  SOLVE the whole problem, no.  We already agreed on what the real problems are.  Do his proposals, if they, and only they are implemented help?  Maybe not significantly but they are a move toward a solution.  I don't agree that they would do nothing, and I think there are other methods to better protect our kids than what you seem to suggest, which is do nothing because there is a leftist hiding behind every tree waiting to pounce and take away law abiding citizens' right to bear arms.

You have poo-poohed every suggestion presented so far.  What is your solution?  Are you willing to let meet with the parents when more kids get killed because we did nothing out of a fear that leftists might try for more than one slice?  If you were King for a Day, how would you prevent such shootings in the future?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 5:51:00 PM

I agree with you.  Yes, there was some emotion, but who wouldn't get emotional when talking about those children's lives?  Yes, it is a fear that given an inch the anti-gun crowd will try to expand it, but the truth is that perhaps it is time to take an objective look.  I think even the majority of responsible gun owners think that something needs to change.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Errata
Date:	6/8/2022 6:37:12 PM (updated 6/8/2022 6:39:48 PM)

Para 1, second sentence should read "Shooting the messenger because you DON'T like the message.

Para 2, 3rd sentence should not have the word "let".

Name:	PTClakefan -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 6:49:51 PM

There actually is a solution to school shootings.  Limit the ingress and egress access points at educational buildings, and install scanning technology (like airports), monitored by trained and qualified SROs's.  It will never happen for obvious reasons, but if this keeps occurring in our schools, it may be something we need to consider.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 7:04:33 PM

Agreed.  If the geniuses in the Federal Government would stop throwing money at BS causes and fund just what you suggest, the likelihood of a successful shooter would be significantly reduced.  There would have to be some accommodation for doors being locked except for emergency egress in the case of a fire, else a shooter could enter through the single entry, go to another door, open it and place something in the open door that wouldn't allow it to reclose, then go out and get a prepositioned weapon, then return to shoot up the school.  But with our technology surely there could be some sort of lock on those doors that would only release when commanded to by a school official.  Also, if every school has an armed and trained resource officer and several similarly trained and armed staff members, even that scenario would end up with the shooter having to shoot back and the Resource Officer and/or staff member(s) and have less opportunity to ahoot innocent children.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	You won’t like my solution
Date:	6/8/2022 8:51:32 PM

And frankly given our post enlightenment society it's probably not practical.  We need to get fathers back into the home, God back into schools and the public square, permit people who are clearly mentally ill to be involuntarily committed for treatment, enforce existing laws regarding criminal acts and put people in prison and so on.  Like I said, you won't like it and it's probably not practical given our societal rot.

How exactly we accomplish getting fathers back into the home at this point is a mystery to me.  Democrats have spent 50 years destroying the family through welfare, contraception, abortion, feminizing the education system and radical feminism.  Men have been infantilized, marginalized and told they are not necessary.  They get as much sex as they want outside the bounds of marriage so you really can't blame them.

Getting God back into the schools and the public square is likewise a challenge given we live in a post Christian society it will likely take a massive shock to the system to get people to turn back to God.

Because of the ACLU you can't remove a mentally ill person from society and have them committed so they can be treated and not be a threat to society.  I doubt that will ever change but again, maybe enough Uvalde's and people will wake up to the cruelty of letting mentally ill people wander about in their insanity.

Like I said, you won't like my solutions and even I admit they probably aren't practical.  But you are wrong about me focusing on the messenger.  It's you that's focused on the messenger, I looked at the message and saw the same proposed solutions that I do not believe will work.  I look at the actions of the left and I do know how they work and what their real goal is.  I'm a realist that looks at the facts and background checks, making the age to purchase an AR-15 to 21, red flag laws and so on will do nothing. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	You are wrong
Date:	6/8/2022 9:52:35 PM

I do like your solution.  If successfully implemented the incidence of mass school and other shootings would be far less than what we are experiencing now.  But you go on to state that implementing that solution, given the current state of affairs in this country, likely won't happen. 

You are also wrong about my focusing on the messenger.  Whether it is the actor's message or yours, the only thing I am interested in is the message.  Your immediate discounting of what the guy said, because he is an actor, I found disingenuous.  Your message came across as "it isn't worth anything because it was an actor that said it, no matter what he said".

So, regardless of message/messenger back and forth, which is just a distraction, and in view of the state of society in the US today, what CAN we do (that has a chance of succeeding) to better protect our children from repeats of what happened in Texas? 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 10:27:39 PM

Agree with the idea of beefing up school security.  What worries me is if the feds starting turning that money over to the states, would the states use it for that purpose?  I would hate to see local officals decide that it wasn't needed in their schools or get into a thing about the Feds tryng to tell them what to do.  

Funny, I was in the county offices in Rockville one day and noticed they had blast proof windows installed, no doubt as part of the security upgrades post 9/11 for government buildings.  Maybe it's time we need this kind of upgrades for schools.  

I hear those that want to ban AR-15s and their ilk, but I wonder what they plan to do about the millions that are already out there.  Do they intend to have the police go door to door and seize them?  

I think they always look in the wrong places for solutions.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/8/2022 10:43:49 PM

Maybe the Feds need to do what my wife did when she was a church office manager.  When peoplcame in with a hard luck story wanting money for food or gas she offered tp go to the store or gas station with them and buy the food or gas.  Some accepted, but a lot said, oh, never mind.  The Feds need to offer not money but school improvements and direct salaries for SROs, not giving the state politicians a chance to misappropriate the dollars intended for those things.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Just watched and read some commentary
Date:	6/9/2022 9:45:54 AM

Yes, I like that idea.  It's a shame when you get to the point of thinking how wrong every good idea could go.  

I and others find that whenever they go into a place -be it shopping or anywhere else, we immediately become very aware of our surroundings and notice places you believe you could hide if the shooting starts.  One friend told me right after the Buffalo shooting, she was in a store and there was a pop.  They announced over the speaker system that it was only a balloon pop.  

I just keep thinking how terrified those children must have been - once the teachers were shot, they knew they were on their own.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	You are wrong
Date:	6/9/2022 10:54:03 AM

I didn't discount his message but did preview my general skepticism about actors being given a big megaphone simply because they are paid to pretend to be someone else.  And I did preview my view that many of them are hypocrites and have no moral authority to opine about many issues such as gun violence when they make millions of dollars being violent with guns in movies and on TV.  Same with globaloney when they own multiple huge mansions, drive around in SUVs and fly private jets.  Same with gun control when they have armed security personnel to protect them.....something most of us cannot afford. So my original response was not discounting the message because of the messenger as I had not heard the message as yet.

So at your suggestion I did listen to what he said and while his proposals are more reasonable than most left wing nuts the fact remains that they will not work to prevent these types of mass shootings.  Watch and see.....they'll pass these new laws, nothing will change, another mass murder event by a mentally deranged person will occur and once  again they will propose even more laws......none of which will address the problem but all of which will get them incrementally closer to their real goal....an unarmed populace that cannot resist tyranny.  This has been their modus operandi from the beginning and it will not change.  So no, I disagree with what he proposed for logical and rational reasons and the desire to "do something" is emotional claptrap and should be left to leftists that lack the ability to think critically.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	You are wrong
Date:	6/9/2022 3:29:09 PM

Shapiro: There's something wrong with a White House that puts Biden on Kimmel and McConaughey in the press room.

I agree.  Theatrics in both places.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	You are wrong
Date:	6/9/2022 3:53:47 PM

This sort of reinforces my point that it's hard to take these people seriously when they mistake acting ability with actual credibility.  There are plenty of actual researchers on both sides of this issue that can weigh in with their views based on research, etc. but no, we get some actor telling us that we have to do something.  The problem is they don't want to give a very public forum to people like John Lott or Heather McDonald because not only do they have a tremendous grasp of the facts related to gun crime but they will not support the gun control/more laws narrative.  That's because they think critically, not emotionally and they actually want to solve the problem and not disarm tens of millions of Americans that lawfully own weapons and would never commit such a crime.  But they might rise up against a tyrranical government and that is the real goal.  Take that away and you can forget about all our other rights......they will be granted at the benevolence of those in power......who will never want to give up that power and at that point cannot be stopped.

As a side note, having Dementia Joe interviewed for the first time in over three months by a left wing activist and unfunny "comedian" on a late night talk show was entirely appropriate.  And it was a disaster where Kimmel had to cut to a commercial as the senile old coot lost his train of thought.....including his unbelievable statement about more biracial people needing to be in commercials......so out of touch it is terrifying.  There are almost no single racial couples of any race in any commercial, especially white couples.  If all you watched is commercials you would come to the conclusion that 95% of all couples are biracial.