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Jim Dandy
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A Change of Heart
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3/8/2011 10:15:47 AM
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Maybe not - maybe a change of reality. Our friends on the left must be elated!
Obama Restarts Terror Tribunals -
Obama lifted the freeze on new military trials at Guantanamo Bay and for the first time laid out a legal strategy to indefinitely detain prisoners who the government says can't be tried but are too dangerous to be freed.
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MartiniMan
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A Change of Heart
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3/8/2011 10:43:53 AM
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This is actually a very good thing and a perfect example of how the rhetoric on the campaign trail is far different than actually having to govern. It is amazing the number of Bush-era decisions that Obama has affirmed, and ones that he attacked when he was running for office.
I would expect the loony left to go apoplectic but he can ignore it because he knows he has them in his hip pocket.
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Talullahhound
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3/8/2011 2:43:39 PM
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I think he realized that the only way he will be able to close Gitmo is to have military tribunals. People don't want these guys in our already over-burned prison systems.
We just need to move on with it and get it over with.
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Summer Lover
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3/8/2011 3:01:56 PM
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Like so many more of his promises - either he had no clue about the realities of anything he was talking about, or he lied - choose one.
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MartiniMan
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3/8/2011 3:04:36 PM
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Hound, I agree they needed to get this going again awhile ago, especially after they experienced the bipartisan opposition to holding civil trials in the U.S. court system. However, I actually don't think the military tribunals will result in the closing of Gitmo and here is why. We are still going to have house those that are convicted (assuming they are of course). I suppose if most of them are acquitted then it is possible they could find an alternative place to hold a lot fewer prisoners but even then I doubt it. This is especially the case if you look at all the news about Muslim Americans being radicalized. My opinion is that the last thing we need is for radical Muslims in Gitmo to be brought to the U.S. and put in our prisons where they can spread their fanatical beliefs. I know we will be promised that they will be detained separately but once they get on U.S. soil the attorneys will flock to court to force them into the general prison population. I will point out that these are all just my opinion and like various parts of the anatomy we all have them. :-)
Am curious, what do you think?
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water_watcher
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3/8/2011 5:34:38 PM
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It shows his lack of experience. He took action before he understood the situation ... now he can not do what he said.
I just wonder why the media is not all over this and giving him another bye ...
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Talullahhound
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3/8/2011 9:03:44 PM
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First of all, the plan is to segregate them in that Super Prison out west, if they were convicted. So they wouldn't be mixing with the average prisoner.
I suspect if there is a military tribunal, the worst of them will be sentenced to death.
I also suspect that the vast majority of them will be released to their original country, since there is probably very little hard evidence that they were directly involved in harm to the US. Don't forget, we scooped up a lot of them based on suspicion. And even a military tribunal has to rely on the law.
I think we'll close Gitmo. It may not happen in the next two years, but it will happen.
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MartiniMan
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3/8/2011 10:29:07 PM
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Well I am still not convinced any politician from either party will accept Gitmo detainees, especially after they have been convicted, but I could be wrong. I really think the American people are more than happy to keep them at club Gitmo and not have them any closer but who knows. We shall see......
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