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GoneFishin
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11/6/2008 1:19:06 PM
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Martini Man stands out among all as a Class Act. Whereas, we have disagreed with most of what each of us have posted the past two months, he showed true class when on Nov 5 he titled his post with the following three words "Congratulations to Obama".
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AUCATZ
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11/6/2008 2:38:51 PM
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Good for MM.
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GoneFishin
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11/6/2008 2:43:24 PM
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Nice that you and I agree on something AUCATZ.
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AUCATZ
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11/6/2008 2:51:29 PM
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Yeah, I guess you're an okay person. :) We are all in this together.
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I'll chime in.....Congratulations to Obama! (who was such a mediocre candidate that he needed 8 times as much money to generate a mere 5% point victory. And the sad part was, McCain was so weak, he couldn't beat him. God help us). There, I said it GF. Can I gain your good graces now? : ^ )
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GoneFishin
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DOC
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11/6/2008 5:12:49 PM
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You have always been in my good graces because I greatly admire your profession. I am closer to it than you may realize.
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MartiniMan
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Thanks GF
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11/6/2008 5:18:43 PM
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I've been in a meeting with our senior leaders in Memphis and have been out of pocket for the celebrations. I ordered them to reduce the salary or lay off all Obama voters..........not that I am bitter or petty. :-)
Look, the fact is I am very worried about what is going to happen because I do not see Obama reigning in Reid and Pelosi and neither of them can help themselves in trying to implement a leftist agenda. I also share Biden's perspective that North Korea, Iran, Russia and Venezuala will be emboldened because of uncertainty as to how Obama will respond (unlike McCain....they know how he would respond). His response to the Russian invasion of Georgia was not comforting.
Having said that, I hope and pray Obama is more ambitious than ideological. We shall see.
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GoneFishin
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MM....
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11/6/2008 5:23:20 PM
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GoneFishin
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MM....and the rest of it
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11/6/2008 5:27:31 PM
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alittle too quick with that finger... the big question is while in Memphis did you see Elvis?????????
Elvis met with Nixon so I have to assume he was one of those Republicans. I understand firing Obama supporters is wide spread and that Pelosi is going to introduce a bill to extend Unemployment and increase food stamps. As that commercial says Pay me now or pay me later!!!!!!!!!
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MartiniMan
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You see, with Obama
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11/6/2008 6:00:27 PM
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I just can't win!! Palin 2012!!!
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You see, with Obama
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11/6/2008 7:02:38 PM
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GF do really think that way or are you just trying to pi** people off. How can you sit by and say things that are evntually going to lead to the downfall of our country. Here is something that might scare most people, but it seems like you are welcoming the change!!! Read this , and think about all stimulus plans the Dems are trying to push. Remind you of anything
Crushed by World War One's debt, the Weimar republic kept printing money and giving it directly to consumers and businesses to buy votes and help them cope with ever increasing prices.
Within a few years the Mark had devaluated so much that a postage stamp cost fifty billion Mark and everyone's life savings had been wiped out. Mark bills were worth less than the paper they were printed on. As the famous picture above illustrates, in the face of galloping energy prices, it had become cheaper to heat one's house by burning money than coal. Although one US dollar is still worth more than the paper it is printed on, as of 2008 one US penny contains 2 cents worth of metal
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Talullahhound
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More than just GF
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11/6/2008 7:37:43 PM
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feel that way. I am with him 100% and it looks like a lot of other people do too; despite what some of the "sages" here on LM think.
Do I know if Obama will be a good President -- no, because I don't have a cystal ball; but I'm certainly ready for change. Bush has made a mess of our country and his approval rating shows it. If he was worried about his legacy, I can tell him what it will be "President who left office with the lowest approval rating ever".
Until Republicans find decent candidates to run, and stop pandering to what they think is their "base" they are not going to have much luck.
Palin in 2012 ? Most of the country thinks she's a joke on SNL.
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1DERWHY
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More than just GF
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11/6/2008 9:31:46 PM
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I do think you missed my point TH!!! Idon't care who is president, but if you just give and give and give the economy cannot stand it. The reigns are going to have to be pulled back on all of this free money. Where is it coming from? China? Who is going to pay the piper for all of this? BO, Pelosi, or one of the other socialist Dems who think that if yo throw money at the problem it will fix itself? WRONG!!!!! It will be us, all of us!! No one will be immune to this. The example I left in my last message should be proof enough. The same thing is happening here right now, most are just too stupid to realize it.
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GoneFishin
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Wonderwear
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11/6/2008 9:48:35 PM
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What did I just say that has you so upset? Have you ever gone hungry or slept in a car cause you lost your job? Have you ever wondered if you could pay for your heating bill cause you lost your job? Have you ever faced your kids at Christmas and told them it is either your mother's medicine or a gift for you?
As a Chrisitian, what do you think Jesus would have said?? No unemployment and no foodstamps??
As a devout Christian, I am sure you have more feeling for your fellow man than to suggest they should go hungry and live in their car while you and I can sit and chat on our computers. I have no use for people without ambition who sit on their butts. But, I do have empathy for those who fall and need help from the Government getting to their feet.
No, I far from a Socialist. I have seen much in my lifetine that has caused me to become more tolerant of others and more concerned about people who have lost their jobs. Over my lifetime, I have employed and released employees due to cutbacks. Trust me, it is the hardest thing to do when you know they have a family at home. Especially, when you know the family from the Company picnic
and having given the kids gifts at the Company party.
You need to accept that Obama is our President and let's see how he governs just as I did when George Bush was elected in 2000.
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Swimmer27
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Since you invoke Jesus...
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11/7/2008 5:49:35 AM
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.... I would like to remind you that hs philosophy was that if you give a mana fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
BO just wants to keep passing out checks (fish) and NEVER talks of teaching anyone how to create their own check (getting a job).
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water_watcher
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Bush's approval rating is low,
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11/7/2008 6:39:29 AM
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but the democratic congress is even lower and the lowest ever. Can you really look at and listen to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried and Barney Frank and have a lot of confidence in their leadership? I am seriously.
You can say what you want about Bush, but he took over a very bad economy from Clinton with the tech collapse and the stock market falling just like it is now, then 9/11 happened. His policies grew the economy, grew the stock market, created jobs and kept us safe (ZERO TERRORIST ATTACKS AFTER 9/11). So he proved his policies worked and could build the economy.
So now lets see what BO and the dems do.
Keep in mind the credit crisis was caused by the dems with the policy to expand sub prime mortgages and their refusal to address it as the republicans tried to make changes in policy and implement reforms. This could have been avoided.
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water_watcher
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Since you invoke Jesus...
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11/7/2008 6:41:39 AM
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amen .... thank you.
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Talullahhound
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Wrong Again
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11/7/2008 8:42:25 AM
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Dems did not cause the credit crisis. They may have contributed to it, but they didn't CAUSE it.
You may be the only person in this world right now that thinks Bush was even a decent President.
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water_watcher
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How can you say that
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11/7/2008 9:11:45 AM
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The facts are clear that the whole concept for "sub prime" mortgages started under Carter and then were "greatly" expanded under Clinton. Have you not read the analysis of what has happened. As the realities of what was happening started to become very clear, the republicans tried many times to pass reform and work with the democrats in congress and they kept denying there was a problem. There are plenty of You Tube videos out there showing democratic leaders in there own words ignoring the problem and bashing the auditor that surfaced the issues at Fannie and Freddie.
Come on, who and what cause the banking crisis if it was not the introduction and later expansion of sub prime mortgages by the democrats. I would love your answer.
And yes the economy is bad right now .... we just had a huge job loss number .... but unemployment has not been this bad since 1994 .... gee that was Clinton that was president. And yes things improved under Clinton, partly because there was a Republican congress that kept him in check.
No, I am not a Bush lover, but the facts are clear when he took office we had the collapse of the tech bubble, then we had 9/11 and Bush implemented policies and tax cuts that got the economy moving, was elected to a second term and we had excellent job growth and most of all no further terrorist attacks.
I say again ... if Clinton responded to the "multiple" terrorist attacks while he was president, we most likely would not have had 9/11 and we would not have had the war in Iraq. But Bush had to address what Clinton did not while terrorist kept testing how far they could go.
But I forgot, you think it was our fault 9/11 happened or that we deserved it. If that is the case, then it was left over from Clinton since Bush had not been in office that long when it happened.
I admire Bush that he put our countrys safety and freedom first, and you and every other american should be doing the same every day there is not another attack on our nation.
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Talullahhound
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How can you say that
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11/7/2008 9:27:24 AM
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I'll buy that the financial crisis started well before Bush. I'm not a Clinton lover and I agree that a balance between the Congress and the WH serves this country the best. There have to be checks and balances.
But, Bush has been largely absent in any meaningful way.
I'm sorry that I can't agree with you that the Democrats are larely responsible for the financial crisis. Both parties had opportunities to put the brakes on and no one even tried. Every one just hoped that it wouldn't come to this.
But, regardless who or what is at fault, we are where we are. And it ain't pretty. Today looks like it is going to be another bad day on Wall Street, given the jobless rate. At this point, rehashing how we got here feels kind of pointless, we all just better hope that someone -- Republican or Democrat can figure out how to fix it.
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water_watcher
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I want things better
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11/7/2008 9:35:42 AM
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and will be happy to give BO and the liberal congress credit if they turn things around. Right now I am a non believer that they can put aside the power they have and their socialist agenda and do what is really best for the country. The temptation is too great to raise those taxes while they can and expand government programs. That is what sent us in to the great depression.
I am not sure there is a time in history that the dems can point to that they controlled the whitehouse and congress and the economy did well. The republicans have proven this many times, most recently under Regan and whether you agree or not .... under Bush until the dems took over congress and set their sites on the whitehouse so they were on a distructive path to make things bad as they knew it would help them.
We are all waiting and watching the moves BO and the dems will make .... they control it all now and have no one to blame if things dont get better. I am sure they will try to say they were left this to work with, but so was Regan and so was Bush .... and for Bush it was compounded further by a horrific terrorist attack.
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Gotta Love This Analogy....
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11/7/2008 9:38:56 AM
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Comparing what Jesus said about giving to the poor and The Dems method of giving is entirely asinine at best. To my knowledge, there are no passages in the Bible suggesting that we should give through an intermediary(i.e.- IRS/ Government) at the end of a barrell of a gun. At best, less than 20% of our tax "donations" ever make it to their intended targets.... and that figure is being very generous. And then, you have the stalwarts of charitable giving, Biden- less than 1 tenth of 1% for the past 10 years, and Obama......His totals for the past 7 years: 2 years- less tham 1%, 3 years, right at 1% and finally, when he began plans to run for office, a whopping 4.7% in 2005 and 6.1% in 2006. Just wow, what a fine example they set. I guess giving is OK as long as it is someone elses money.
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Talullahhound
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Gotta Love This Analogy....
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11/7/2008 11:13:28 AM
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Where do you get your facts? Is is this more of your speculation?
I think people's charitable contributions are a private thing. In fact, I don't think politicans should have to reveal their donations. If you saw my tax return, you would not think I give a lot to charity, but I do. I don't always itemize it and demand a receipt for it. I just donated a case of high quality dog food, a case of high quality cat food and a bunch of household items to the Elmore County Humane Society, but I didn't get a receipt for it and you likely wouldn't see it reflected on my tax return. I dont' do it for the deduction, I do it because it's in my heart.
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Talullahhound
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I want things better
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11/7/2008 11:27:55 AM
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The terrorist attack took place in 2001 -- and he was re-elected in 2004, so I'm not sure it was as much of a factor as you would try to say it is. He did the invasion of Iraq (sorry, but I still think it was wrong. We should have gone after the bad guys in the Afghanistan/Pakistan Mountains), it it has cost this country billions of dollars. I think when the Dems were elected as the majority in Congress, it was more about sending a message to Bush that people weren't happy. Let's face it -- Congress didn't do much before the Dems took over either. They waffled around and didn't get anything done -- people were fed up. And don't forget that most of the Republicans on the Hill weren't on board with Bush either in his 2nd term. And don't forget those great stimulus payments. Now that was a real accomplishment...
No one thought the bailout was a good idea and everyone still voted for it because they were afraid not to. They tried to make it look like they were doing sometihing.
It ticks me off when Congress thinks it is more important to investigate steroid use among baseball players, and all the other time wasting hearing, instead of getting onto the business at hand.
I think Bush had one shining moment -- 9/11/2001 and the days following, and after that, it's been fear mongering, and trying to hide what they were doing from the American people. They re-interpreted laws, deregulated the makets among other things. Don't forget that Abu Grave happened on his watch too, thanks to the decision by the Justice Department about what was "acceptable".
I'm happy to see Bush go. I don't know what the future holds, but when everything is this low, there is a chance that it will get better. And I'm willing to take that chance.
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Good for you Hound but.....
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11/7/2008 11:31:16 AM
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Their history of Charitable donations is there for the public to see. Once again, these #'s are only a Google away. Give it a try. No speculation needed. I just think it is so ironic that these 2 who preach "giving" have such a pathetic record of giving themselves. By the way, on a side note, I too have a tender spot for animals and give to the Humane Society.
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water_watcher
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I want things better
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11/7/2008 11:43:40 AM
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we dont have to go back and forth, but I know and agree that 9/11 took place in 2001. In fact I was at the US Tennis Open in Long Island the day before sitting in Tyco's suite with all people but Dennis Kosloski who is now enjoying his days behind bars as he should.
But hound, that was my point, Bush took over a bad economy from Clinton and then he was hit with 9/11 ... he handle the crisis and the economy very well and pull the country back up and got things moving. We had great economic growth, the stock market went up, low unemployment, low interest rates and the country remained safe and no further terrorist attacks.
That all started to change after the dems took control of congress .... I agree it was because the country was not liking the war in Iraq .... but from an economic standpoint things were looking darn good including record stock market levels.
Now will be BO chance to deal with an economic crisis like Bush had to and Regan had to ... he will not have any resistence with his party controlling both houses of congress.
We all hope it works .... but I obviously have my doubts. If it does not work who will the dems blame? If it does work they will want the credit and I will give it to them. I just can't imagine if they fail hearing them say, your right our policies did not work.
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Talullahhound
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I'm liking
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11/7/2008 11:47:41 AM
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you better already.
I know it is out there. I just don't think it should be for anyone. Sometimes people don't give to charity because they are helping their families.
You know, every year the government participates in Combined Federal Charities. It's supposed to be voluntary, but each organization sets up goals. When our organization wasn't reaching it's goal, our front office reviewed all of the managers contributions, if they didn't think you gave enough, they called you in and told you. I was one of the ones called it, and I wrote them a bigger check. But, the truth was, the charity I was primarily supporting -- The Siamese Rescue of Virginia, wasn't part of the CFC campaign. It irked me so much, that I swore I would never donate over $100 to the CFC again. And I didn't.
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Talullahhound
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11/7/2008 2:23:11 PM
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They will have only themselves to blame.
I'm trying to remember the ecomonic situation when Bush came into office. I thought we had a surplus? But we were all so wrapped around Clinton's sex life, it's hard to remember what the economic situation was.
I will say this, I was glad Bush was President when 9/11 took place. I would hate to think would Clinton would not have done.
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water_watcher
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I want things better
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11/7/2008 3:09:34 PM
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No we were in a sevre recession as the tech bubble burst and the Nasdaq fell from 5200 to 1100 in a short period of time.
There was a budget surplus, you were right there. I could explain why, but you probably would not agree. But it did have to do with the artificial growth of the tech industry and IPO's coming to market that did not belong there which created huge capital gains revenue that quickly disappeared when the market collapsed. As they will this time as well.
Interesting this market decline is not as bad in total as it was back then .... difference is this one was so quick.
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Talullahhound
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I want things better
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11/7/2008 3:23:25 PM
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I forgot about the tech stock bubble. Too many bubbles and the darn things keep bursting.
Frankly, I was always a little dubious about the surplus.
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Swimmer27
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How can you ignore...
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11/8/2008 10:33:48 AM
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... the videos of all the dems in committee DENYING that there was a problem at Fannie and Freddie. They are ther for the world to see. Barney Frank was covering for his little lover boy toy (that was running the male prostituted bussiness on the side, FROM FRANLS BASEMENT). It show your intellectual dishonesty to say that the blame shoudld be placed on BOTH parties. The only blame the reps have is NOT PUSHING HARDER for reforms, and NOT telling the public. But telling the sheeple means nothing when catie, brian, charles and all the other anchors turn around show snippets that make the reps look like liars.
And how you can even TRY to put the blame for Abu Garub on Bushi is just to ludicrous to even consider, but I will remember when some stupid young soldeir screws up in the next four years that O is to blame.
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Talullahhound
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How can you ignore...
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11/8/2008 1:16:19 PM
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Actually, Bush's Justice Department has admitted that they re-interpreted legal methods of interrogation, and the Defense lawyers disagreed with them and the WH agreed with Justice This was NOT just some rogue young soldier. This was prompted by the WH (Cheney). It was the same re-interpretation of laws that decided that Guantanemo did not fall under the Geneva Convention since they were not fighters from a particular country we were at war with. And the same Justice Department and CIA that decided that suspects could be captured and flown to 3rd party countries whose laws did not cover certain methods of interrogation. Oh yeah, the same "reinterpretaton" of law that said that the prisoners were not entitled to a speedy trial and copies of the evidence against them.
This is what I mean about lack of transparency in government under Bush (although most of this was the work of Dick Cheney).
I'm not ignoring anything. There were a number of people who left the government (both political, career and contractor) who were disgusted and violently disagreed with what was being done. Heads rolled over Abu Grave, but I don't know it got much play nationwide.
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MartiniMan
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You suffer from severe BDS
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11/9/2008 6:36:25 PM
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Bush Derangement Syndrome. I look forward to the next four years when you attribute every Obamination screwup to Bush.
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Talullahhound
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No, I don't
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11/10/2008 9:17:50 AM
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This has all been published.
But don't believe me. I'm sure there will be many books and articles written about his administration once he leaves office. Cheney doesn't get a lot of press because he operates behind the scenes and tries to stay under the radar. Historians will be talking about this administration for a long, long time.
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MartiniMan
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No, I don't
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11/12/2008 2:49:43 PM
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And all written by unbiased, middle of the road mainstream media types that spent 8 years trashing Bush and Cheney. Frankly they have no credibility and only wackos on the far left will read their revisionist history. Like the Reagan presidency, it will take many, many years, if not decades to separate the populist ranting of the ideologues operating under the guise of historians with a more serious examination by serious people.
Lets talk in 10-15 years when a more balanced view is put forward. By the way, using my personal definition you do suffer from BDS!
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