Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Trump loses 3 against 1 debate
Date:	9/11/2024 9:35:07 AM (updated 9/11/2024 9:57:22 AM)

So unlike cnnBS, aBS decided it would be a three against one debate, primarily because cnnBS was trying to get rid of Biden and all they needed was a fair debate moderation because the case against the current admin is so strong (Biden mental freezes were a bonus).  Now much of the discussion is about it being the worst/best moderated debate of all time (worst of you are sentient and best if you are a Harris supporter).  And you want to know why?  Because the framing of the questions asked were meant to assist Harris, the topics were meant to hamper Trump and the following stats from a review of the debate transcipts by the media.

Trump was fact-checked 4 times, Harris was fact-checked 0 times

Muir/Davis pressed Trump 6 times for follow-ups, Muir/Davis pressed Harris 0 times for follow-ups

Trump made ≈14 false statements,  Harris made ≈16 false statements

Harris was asked a grand total of 4 challenging question, did not answer them and there were no followups

When Trump was scoring points Muir would interrupt and move on

Not to mention, at least two of the so-called fact checks was blatantly false.  They do in fact let babies born from botched abortions die.  There is a video of Dem Governor Northrom explaining how this works.  And yes Haitans are eating animals in Ohio.  If you're going to fact check try not to be as stupid as Candy Crowley.

Interestingly, in the cnnBS poll after the debate Trump actually improved on the question of who is better on the economy.  Even with the dumpster fire debate moderation and his lack of prep he improved on what is the most important issue to Americans. 

So instead of covering issues important to Americans they focused on any topic they thought would harm Trump.  Abortion, J6, globaloney, blah, blah, blah.  But this exactly what I expected and what Trump should have expected it as well.  He missed so many opportunities and did not do well.  I suspect this is the last debate because no Republican POTUS candidate should ever agree to a debate with aBS, cBS or nBS.  They will because it's the stupid party, but they shouldn't.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Trump loses 3 against 1 debate
Date:	9/11/2024 10:14:08 AM

Another blatant difference was it looked like the camera on Harris was half the distance from her as the camera on Trump, making her look larger and more formidable in comparison.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Trump loses 3 against 1 debate
Date:	9/11/2024 2:24:48 PM (updated 9/11/2024 2:28:14 PM)

Not to mention the baby podium to make her look taller.  Like I said, we know the govt media is in the tank for Dems and should expect nothing less.  That they continue to do debates with them moderating is why they are the stupid party.  Hopefully the polls won't change much and this will be the last one.  Cause there is no way Kamila is going to agree to a debate on FoxNews and Trump has already said no to Brett Baier and the other lady that hates Trump.  Too bad because in a fair debate with good questions Harris would have to defend an abysmal record.  C'est la vie!

Just saw some news from Rueters and NYT.  Rueters had 10 undecided and 6 went to Trump, 3 to Harris and one still undecided.  NYT had similar results, undecided voters swinging to Trump.  I suspect any sane person would have recognized the overt bias and that Harris got away without answering the few hard questions she got and that she is so unlikable.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Who Ate My Cat
Date:	9/12/2024 1:06:23 AM

Yes, a woman decided to eat a cat. Don't know if she sauteed or air fried it. I know that detail matters to Martini.

Trump came across as old, tired, confused at times. Sadly for the Country, I have accepted the fact he will steal the election.

Cat Eatting Lady

Innocent Until Proven Guilty

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Non compos mentis
Date:	9/12/2024 8:50:03 AM

The only one coming off as old, tired, confused is you.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Non compos mentis
Date:	9/12/2024 11:32:52 AM (updated 9/12/2024 11:33:42 AM)

We agree...Trump is indeed non compos mentis(of unsound mind). I could not have said it better.

Trump lost the debate cause he raised such false claims that Democrats want to execute babies after birth, that migrants are eating pet dogs and cats, and he idolizes a dictator. He really came across as non compos mentis. Yes, like me he is old and confused. Only  difference, I ain't running for nothin.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Reading comprehension alert..again
Date:	9/12/2024 12:41:09 PM

No, we do not agree.  As I stated, you are the only one not of sound mind. His is just fine.

If you want to choose a winner based on fewest misstatements, Trump wins.  And yes, babies from botched abortions are indeed left to die.  Gov. Northrum, a Democrat, explained how it works.  Happens around 2,500 times every year, at least.  Not the only incorrect fact check by the partisan aBS moderators, but it is an easy one.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Reading comprehension alert..again
Date:	9/12/2024 12:52:36 PM

Northam, in addition to being the former Gov of VA, is a Pediatric Neurologist.

"It appears to stem from comments made by former Virginia  Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and pediatric neurologist, in an interview with Washington, DC, radio station WTOP in 2019.

Northam was asked about a proposed bill that would eliminate certain requirements around access to abortion in the second and third trimesters, and specifically about comments from the bill’s sponsor acknowledging that it would allow abortions up until just before birth.

Northam noted that abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated, if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”"

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Reading comprehension alert..again
Date:	9/12/2024 1:07:07 PM

Right....exactly what I said.  Even Politifact stated they happen but are rare.  If they happen, even if rare, then Trump was correct and the partisan hack moderators lied.  I don't even know why you are debating this as it is not exactly new news.  SMH.  

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/may/30/reports-born-alive-abortion-scenario-are-rare/

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Here's more of a truth bomb Goofy
Date:	9/12/2024 8:58:13 PM

States with No Gestational Limits: Alaska Colorado New Jersey New Mexico Oregon Vermont Washington, D.C.

States Allowing Post-Viability Abortions with Restrictions: California Connecticut Hawaii Illinois Minnesota New York Washington

In these states, abortions are allowed after viability if the patient’s life or health is at risk.

So not only is it happening but it is legal....imagine being in favor of infanticicde.....but there you are.  They lied to protect Harris's radical views on abortion.  Trump was 100% correct.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Let me know when you give up...U'll be 1st to know
Date:	9/13/2024 9:31:34 PM

"Pope slams both Harris and Trump as ‘against life’ and urges Catholics to vote for ‘lesser evil’"

This pretty much sums up the choices for a pro life voter. Not very encouraging. I can understand why you did not vote for Trump in the primary.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Let me know when you give up...U'll be 1st to know
Date:	9/13/2024 10:55:53 PM

But can you understand why he will vote for Trump in the General?  The Primary is history so the choice now is between one who competed for and was chosen to be the Party's nominee, and the other who was gifted the nomination by a bunch of hypocrites who wildly threw out their stated selection process because they were afraid that process named a person who could not win.  Meanwhile they wildly attacks the Republican Party as being a threat to Democracy as they throw the democratic process out the door.  Pathetic.  

I did not vote for Trump in the Primary either, but neither I nor Martini are being hypocritical in supporting Trump now.  In fact I, and I believe MM, stated clearly before the Primary that I would not (and, BTW did not) vote for Trump in that primary.  The only thing that matters now is a choice between Trump and Harris and I wil vote for Trump.  I can only pray that the country comes to its senses and agrees with MM and myself and votes likewise.

Like Bernie Sanders said, Harris will do and say anything just to get elected, to include doing a 180 on many if not all of her far left positions.  There is no doubt in my mind that, if elected, she will forget all about those promised policy reversals and resume her Comrade Kamala persona and implement her far left loony policies.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	So you've given up defending aBS' lie?
Date:	9/14/2024 8:29:50 AM

This is a classic Goofy deflection. 

Step 1: Lie about a lie with a lie. 

Step 2: Get called out on the lie with actual facts and stay away for awhile.

Step 3:  Deflect the conversation with a non sequiter.  - You are here.

As for the deflection, the Pope said Trump was anti-life for his views on immigration and Harris because of her views on abortion and we should pick the lesser of two evils.  Let's see, one perspective acknowledges that a country has a right to defend its borders and keep people in their home countries unless they come here legally and the other wants to murder babies in the womb up until birth and let them die on a cold table if the abortion is botched.  While he may be morally confused as to which is the lesser of two evils I and a large majority of Christians are not.  Goofy, your root defect is the sin of pride and you simply are unable to admit when you are wrong.  I would spend some time reflecting on that.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Let me know when you give up...U'll be 1st to know
Date:	9/14/2024 8:42:29 AM

For the life of me I cannot understand how Goofy doesn't comprehend basic logic.  Not only did I indicate I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries I explained in detail why for both 2016 and 2024.  And in 2024 it was not because I didn't think he'd be far superior to whoever replaced Biden but because I thought DeSantis had a better chance of winning the general and would be able to serve two terms which is what it's going to take to undo the mess Harris and Dementia Joe have created. 

But alas, the GOP primary voters did not see it my way and we have Trump and he will get my vote because he will be far, far superior to Harris on pretty much every issue of importance and even the ones that don't matter.  Goofy is impervious to facts, logic and reason.  Below is Goofy's soul mates in their support for Harris.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The Sin of Pride
Date:	9/14/2024 3:24:53 PM (updated 9/14/2024 3:28:11 PM)

Like others, I jumped to a conclusion based on a misleading headline  or internet post. Yes, you are correct the reference was to immigrants. This from the Washington Post appears to summerize Trump's real position on the subject...

Do you find this to  be a truthful and factual summary of your candidate?

Donald Trump

Republican

A: Trump ignited a firestorm in the antiabortion community in September when he called a Florida abortion ban at six weeks too strict and suggested he might vote for a ballot referendum allowing abortion in Florida until fetal viability. One day later, he backed off that stance and said he would vote against the ballot amendment, allowing the six-week measure to remain. Broadly, he has said abortion limits should be left up to the states.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	So you've given up defending aBS' lie?
Date:	9/14/2024 5:58:53 PM

I would ask Goofy if he is a Christian, but discussing one's faith isn't really appropriate for this venue unless as you and I do, that person willfully divulges and discusses such.  That being said, one also doesn't have to be a Christian to have Christian values.  Apparently, so it seems, Goofy does not share the same values as you and I, and my values on abortion are probably not in lock-step with yours.  In any case, values concerning the termination of a what some call a human life are not something to be taken lightly, especially where that human life no longer depends on the mother's body for survival.

So, Goofy is it safe to say that you don't share the same values, commonly known as Christian, as either MM or myself?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	So you've given up defending aBS' lie?
Date:	9/16/2024 8:36:34 AM

Based on reading years of posts - I do not think GFY has any values other then the demonrat talking point of the day.