Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/15/2019 3:05:55 PM

Where is the defense of the AL abortion vote?  Where are the expressions of "pride" in what AL has done?  Where are the Condemnations of girls who get pregnant by allowing themselves to be raped?  Where is the defense of incest that results in a pregnancy?  I know the likes of MM and Lifer and Wix are overjoyed, but what say Hound and Mr. H?  

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/15/2019 3:44:45 PM

i'm assuming youve never experienced not being able to have children and having to go through the adoption process

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/15/2019 4:26:36 PM

he would know just as with the GA bill that the intent is to get the supreme court to take a new look at Roe V Wade at which point it may be overturned and returned to a states right and the fed can quit sending planned parent hood tax dollars.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are you in the debate?
Date:	5/15/2019 5:13:54 PM

Anais Nin: “We see things not as they are; We see things as WE are.”

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Major, where do you place Archie’s original post?
Date:	5/15/2019 7:31:00 PM

seems it was intended to criticize and shame other posters.  Provocation or just plain anger?  Is it cold in here or just me?

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	You prove yourself a liar again
Date:	5/15/2019 8:43:29 PM

You claim to have me on ignore but respond to a post I made in your last ridiculous thread. I simply pointed out the purpose of the alabama bill not the contents or merit. I love you include me in the right wing label because it shows what an idiot you are, especially when you call me a Bible thumper. I have rarely ever discussed my views on abortion. Not with family, friends or most especially here. No amount of discussion or debate will change anyone's mind so to me it is equivalent to trying to teach a pig to sing. I will never engage in debate on the merits of either stand, I have better ways to waste my time,like making this post proving you are a liar. Of course you are also an idiot, ignorant and kool-aid drinker extraordinaire. Try thinking for yourself dumb@ss.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/15/2019 9:39:43 PM

I am horrified by the new law.  Just taken a huge step backwards.  There is a march for Reproductive Rights coming up in Montgomery adn I am considering marching.  My feeling has always been that if you don't agree with abortion then don't have one.  I don't think government has any place in an individuals reproductive decisions.  And I think this "heartbeat" argument is a smoke screen to impose anti-abortionist beliefs onto all of us.  Banning abortion will not stop abortion - it will merely drive desperate women to another state or back into unsafe abortions.  I know a lot of people (men) will strongly disagree with me and that is okay.  I may be somewhat comservative, but I am a woman first.  

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	YOU--- are right
Date:	5/15/2019 10:05:19 PM

It is the law of unintended consequences.

Yes... the Alabama legislation is not what it seems to be.  I now defer to the fact that I don't know REALLY about which this is directed.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/15/2019 10:33:55 PM

My opinion on abortion is a very personal one and certainly not something I would share just to prove or refute a point advanced by you or anyone else on this forum. 

Name:	Rich -	Reply
Subject:	Not my tax dollars
Date:	5/16/2019 3:31:49 AM

I personaly don't believe in abortion but do not feel I have the right nor do I want it to make that decisipn for a women. The Federal government shouldn NEVER have sanctioned it. The decision is for the woman whether I agree or not. My problem is I feel using my tax dollars to support abortion is making me complicit which I am totally against. I applaud Alabama's attempt to bring us back to constitutioal law. 

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Hound
Date:	5/16/2019 9:16:09 AM (updated 5/16/2019 9:35:25 AM)

Well said and welcome back to the world of reason, at least on one issue!

Sad, thanks mostly to Neanderthal GOP leadership, that Alabama and most southern states seem hell bent on staying at the bottom of the lists where one wants to be on the top and at the top of those where one would choose to be near the bottom.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/16/2019 9:18:43 AM

Im with RICH--it should be a womans choice--im personally against it except for health, rape or incest--BUT DONT USE MY TAX DOLLARS FOR THE OTHER REASONS

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	You are correct
Date:	5/16/2019 9:21:59 AM

but that has nothing what so ever to do with the actions of the AL legislature.  I am personally opposed to ALL abortions, except to save a life,  and would so advise my Granddaughter not to consider one if she were ever in a situation where it was on the thabl, but I would never consider making the decision for her nor for any other woman and would hope you feel the same!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/16/2019 9:33:42 AM

You are making excuses.  If anything, the anti abortion crowd is trying to use your tax dollars to advance their cause...not sure about the AL law, but the one in GA ''declares'' a fetus to be a ''person'' and even grants the same state tax exemption for a fetus as it does for a 6 year old.  When a 2 month old pregnant woman pays less you and I pay more.  I understand pro-choice pregnant women are getting written affirmations of pregnancy form their doctors which they will present to the officer who pulls them over for using the HOV lanes!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	And, where are you Carlson?
Date:	5/16/2019 9:37:47 AM

On the issue of the new AL law, that is?  You know, the thing my post was about!

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Here am I, Lord
Date:	5/16/2019 11:23:23 AM

Some of us are old enough to remember the time of coat-hangers, Coke douches, and “Oh… she went off to live with her aunt in Charlotte.”  We remember when 16 year old children made life altering mistakes in the back seat of a ’56 Chevy at the drive-in movie. Those were the times which tested parenthood and faith.

Now… parenthood is glaringly absent… even adults make stupid mistakes… and paranoia can be handled over the counter on the day after.  Also, the average weight of an American woman is 168.5 lbs [CDC] and discovery is often realized AFTER the fetus’ heartbeat is established. BUT… the “government” now endorses and the taxpayer funds “corrective action” in the name of a “woman’s control over her own body.”  It’s the government sanctioned, backup plan for “friends with benefits.”

When my heart stops, I will be declared dead.  I reserve the right to make that assumption for every other living organism which uses a muscle pump to circulate fluids to afford metabolism... including babies in the womb.

I don’t believe for a second that my God has a problem with defining the difference between the quick and the dead.

If I say that you are a murderer because you have, facilitate, or perform an abortion… then you may certainly take issue with ME.  I will interpret your opposition to my opinion to be your own hedonistic view. It is up to God to judge you for your actions.

However, if you have, facilitate, or perform an abortion… then, I should not have to abet your deed(s) by contributing to the funding of it (them).  You violate my First Amendment rights in requiring me to do so.  Our forefathers could not have foreseen this dilemma.

God is watching us!

- LMF Curmudgeon

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	Oh - but they did
Date:	5/16/2019 11:35:37 AM (updated 5/16/2019 11:38:32 AM)

On reflection about my previous post, I realize that our forefathers DID foresee Constitutional dilemmas… though, of course not specifically concerning abortion… but, in general:

“Article the twelfth [Amendment X] - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Please proceed to California, New York, Washington, or Oregon for abortions.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-IDIOT
Date:	5/16/2019 12:05:51 PM (updated 5/16/2019 12:07:22 PM)

Looking at two sides of the abortion issue, I have two thoughts....

1.  Abortion is killing...call it what you will...do "WOMEN" have the right to kill at their choosing??

                                                          OR

2.  Look at abortion as trimming the dimokrap herd by a few million since the 70s.  Part of me says that may justify abortion, since most abort-ers are definitely dimokraps.  Rogers (GGGOOOODDDDD Dimokrap) said it best for his ilk....."Kill 'em now, or kill 'em later!!!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	And there lies the rub
Date:	5/16/2019 12:06:18 PM

if the so called "Pro Life" faction gets their way abortion will become Illegal universally...the coat hanger practitioners will re-emerge because going to CA or OR will no longer be an option!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/16/2019 12:06:19 PM

Because I think it is a private matter, I don't think tax dollars should be used to fund it, or promote it or not.  I think insurace companies have to decide for themselves and their stock holders, whether they will pay or not.  Same for companies.  I just want to make sure that it remains permissiable under law.  

But just to pay the devil's advocate - those of you who don't want your tax dollars used - Since you don't get a say in how your tax dollars are used for anything else (in reality), what makes this different.  And what about if you don't believe in abortion how can you support capital punishmet by the government  which is also murder?  

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Not my tax dollars
Date:	5/16/2019 12:07:03 PM

Very well put Rich.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/16/2019 12:10:00 PM

Poor comparison especially for you. Comparing killing an innocent fetus to a convicted criminal.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/16/2019 12:44:33 PM (updated 5/16/2019 1:21:47 PM)

"And what about if you don't believe in abortion how can you support capital punishmet by the government  which is also murder? "

I really hope you used just a poor example and that you do not believe what you typed - I have no problem with killing someone who is guilty of capital crimes.  In the case of consentual sex that causes conception, can you point out the capital crime of the parents or unborn? 

From your qustion above and your statements regarding abortion which you agree with  then you do not agree with exectutions regardless of crime or guilt, but are willing to execute the unborn?  

rape is not consentual - so whatever the mother decides.

incest can be bad genetically for the kid again up to the mother.

Abortion should not be the go to for birth control because of stupid decisions and lack of planning.    

I am going to write it slightly different and let me know what you think.

Someone goes and shoots 10 kids in a school - He should be punshed.

Somone from Planned ParentHood aborts 10 unborn kids in a day...  He should not be punished.

I do not have a problem with abortion,  I am concerned that it has become the go to birth control for some.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	And there lies the rub
Date:	5/16/2019 1:31:41 PM

yes - - 

The Supreme Court should   

1 - Throw out Roe v Wade and

2 - declare that the Tenth Amendment throws the issue to the individual states or the people... e.g. get the federal government out of the abortion issue.  

Pleas read again:

Article the twelfth [Amendment X] - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Constitution does not delegate the power to regulate abortion to the United States. Therefore...

* * * * *

If the question is thrown to the people in the form of a referendum, either the "pro-choice" or the "right-to-life" citizens are going to be losers.  Civilized society will be the loser in all cases.

In my opinion, the best case is a permitting of abortion only in cases of rape, incest, or the physical health of the mother.  And, such NOT being at the expense of the taxpayer.  In NO CASE shall the federal goevernment be involved.

If we keep allowing this argument, we will soon be arguing over extremely late term abortion... the killing of old people... because they are a drag on society and the economy... and the mental health of their children.

- LMF Curmudgeon (old person)

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What about personal responsibillity
Date:	5/16/2019 8:26:50 PM

If a woman doesn't want or can't afford a child how about not getting pregnant in the first place. Walmart sells birth control for about 4 bucks a month. If you can't afford that you shouldn't be streaming your legs. If you are to immature to take care of birth control you are to immature to be having sex. Black women are 7% of the population but account for 40% of abortions. That's a cultural issue that must be addressed. In any legitimate discussion on the issue of abortion.

Hound I agree with the others, you chose a poor analogy in this case. Exciting criminals convicted of capital crimes is not equivalent to killing innocent babies. But once again I say debating/discussing/fighting about it will never change a mind, but apperently seeing a sonogram of fetuses seems do it it in a lot of cases.

Name:	QuietMan -	Reply
Subject:	WIX THE IGNORANT BIGOT
Date:	5/16/2019 11:30:48 PM

I’m pretty sure you have never had 2 thoughts. That may be the stupidest post I’ve ever seen on this forum. And that’s not easy. Go back to your cellar, ignorant bigot. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	MRHODJA
Date:	5/16/2019 11:48:57 PM

You have been quite clear in the past where you stand on abortion. I always respected your view and the reason behind it.

"I choose to not get into details, but where this is coming from is that there are instances where a caring God would say "it is ok to not submit this being to a life of pain and suffering, with no hope of it ever being better before death.  I strongly oppose abortion for convenience, but believe there are times that God might agree that it is an acceptable course of action."

Name:	Rich -	Reply
Subject:	John Doe
Date:	5/17/2019 7:25:17 AM

With that post on Saria Law = Republicans it's makes sence why you chose your screen name. Do some reshearch! 

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Can you feel the love on this forum?
Date:	5/17/2019 8:12:14 AM

warm and fuzzy

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	MRHODJA
Date:	5/17/2019 8:21:01 AM

You are right, I did say that in a post about five years ago.  My belief hasn't changed since that post.  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	So QU___.....
Date:	5/17/2019 10:26:51 AM

Please explain in great detail why you have declared me to be an “ignorant bigot”.  Also, point out false statements in my post above...

Do it!!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/17/2019 5:52:42 PM

Killing is killing, no matter the circumstances.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/17/2019 6:11:25 PM

Yes, you don't want to pay for birth control and you don't want insurance companies to pay for birth control.  Yet women get pregnant even with birth control. It's not 100%.  You would risk a women's life for something that is not viable outside the women's womb.  You want to put on rosey glasses and tell me that all these unwanted children will be adopted.  Then why does the news continualy feature a child in need of adoption.  Where are the couples who so much want to adopt.  So if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.  But don't take away my right.  Women had abortions before Roe v Wade and they will coontinue to have them after.  Not eveyone believes as you do, so why do you want to control everyone else..  That is personal responsiblity.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What about personal responsibillity
Date:	5/17/2019 6:16:16 PM

I have seen them and it doesn't move me.  I can't comment about black women, becasue I am not black.  But if they are welfare mothers, that is you, the taxpayer, that would be paying for their children... but wait, people don't want to pay for them.  People don't want to fund birth control.  You have a right to feel as you do, and you can press your arguments on the women in your life; but I don't think people should have the right to make their own moral decisions.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What about personal responsibillity
Date:	5/17/2019 8:07:21 PM

I have no dog I  this hunt. Way past my bay days. Women can do what they want to do with their bodies and I'm not going to try to convince any of them they should do anything. I just get sick of being told it's not a life they are taking. Life is life and democrats can't redefine it to suit there needs of the day.. And for God's sake stop calling it a "constitutional right". It is accepted legal precedentby edict of scouts, not a right. And as you said above, murder is murder.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Even WIX Has Feelings
Date:	5/17/2019 10:23:37 PM

To suggest that WIX is an ignorant bigot is going alittle too far. I will, however, agree that at times he does show ignorance and other times he comes across as a bigot. But to combine the two is a stretch. Poor Wixxie had his feelings hurt and displayed his sensitive side.

Cheer up Wixxie.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I assume all these ''NEVER ABORTION
Date:	5/18/2019 12:44:42 PM

ADOPTION IS ALWAYS AN OPTION'' will be writing letters to their legislators demanding there be no restrictions on adoptions by gay couples!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	WELL PLAYED Mr Doe...
Date:	5/18/2019 12:53:45 PM (updated 5/18/2019 12:55:19 PM)

with a hell of a lot of truth!!  I also wonder when all these ''Never abort, always adopt'' advocates on this forum will start rabble-rousing for removal of the restrictions, still applicable in most southern states, in opposition to adoption by ''legally'' married same sex couples!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What about personal responsibillity
Date:	5/18/2019 4:31:45 PM

I don't really have a dog in the fight either.  I'm past my reproductive years.  I just hate to see the Supreme Court revisit an issue that has already been consided and ruled on. It will be intersting to see how they rule now.  I could accept no abortions after 12 weeks, but the idea that a woman would be made to carry to term in cases of incest and rape or if there is a severe deveopmental issue with the fetus.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	AGAIN, therein lies the rub
Date:	5/18/2019 5:38:54 PM (updated 5/18/2019 5:44:52 PM)

You make a reqasonable point but....the no abortion crowd in AL and nationwide is not rabble rousing for Roe to be overturned with the provision that the 10th amendment determines the question of whether abortion is legal be returned to each individual state to decide the issue in 50 different versions...they are rabble rousing for ANY ABORTION, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE BE DECLARED ILLEGAL with NO provision for a 10th amendment escape clause!!!

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Again...where are the stalwarts
Date:	5/18/2019 9:38:00 PM

It’s past time for webmaster to put an end to this thread

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	FLY HAS SPOKEN
Date:	5/18/2019 10:52:50 PM

Poor FLY>>>the truth hurts.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Bottom Line!!!
Date:	5/19/2019 11:40:11 AM

By one single very stupid vote the Republicans that control the Alabama legislature have completely destroyed the ability for any Republican to ever again argue with a straight face that the Democrats are the extremists on the issue of abortion!!

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	not the way
Date:	5/19/2019 6:24:04 PM

I agree.  I find the lack of compassion to be deafening. On this, I am in Hound’s camp.

They MUST have known that Alabama will now be discounted among middle of the road thinkers.  What was Kay Ivey thinking?

In the next primary, I intend to vote for change in perspective.  We conservatives need some new blood.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Arch-KRAP
Date:	5/19/2019 9:49:46 PM

Alabama Dimokrap Motto......”Kill ‘em now, or kill ‘em later”, Say-ith Dimokrap John Rogers Rep.

Name:	QuietMan -	Reply
Subject:	So QU___.....
Date:	5/19/2019 10:17:31 PM

Look in the mirror, Wix. If you keep one in the cellar. You have embodied both of these qualities many times over. Sure, the truth may hurt but there is little question you are a bigot. And I was trying to soft peddle by choosing ignorant. Sorry you got your feelings hurt. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	More proof of your lie
Date:	5/20/2019 7:01:18 AM

Response ding right below someone you allegedly have on ignore.... Hmm. You sir are a stupid person. Architect my azz, unless of course if your name is Art Vandalay. Are you a marine biologist too? Nope.,just a terrible horrible little pajama boy.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tax dollars was not part of the AL law
Date:	5/20/2019 8:35:54 AM (updated 5/20/2019 9:04:24 AM)

"Yes, you don't want to pay for birth control and you don't want insurance companies to pay for birth control.  Yet women get pregnant even with birth control. It's not 100%.  You would risk a women's life for something that is not viable outside the women's womb.  You want to put on rosey glasses and tell me that all these unwanted children will be adopted.  Then why does the news continualy feature a child in need of adoption.  Where are the couples who so much want to adopt.  So if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.  But don't take away my right.  Women had abortions before Roe v Wade and they will coontinue to have them after.  Not eveyone believes as you do, so why do you want to control everyone else..  That is personal responsiblity.  "

Have paid for birth control most of my life between condoms and pills,if not health clinics and schools pass them out like candy at halloween.  Insurance compaines can cover it or not - I prefer they do.  Never said it was not 100% and never said I was for adoption vs abortion.

I love that you put in "personal responsibility"  How about the responisibility to do what they can to keep from getting pregnant by using the condoms, foams, IUDs, pills, woops I screwed up pills, or even keep your legs closed vs woops lets break out the womb vac and vice grips.  While no form of birth control is 100% I would much rather someone abort the 1% because of product defects then the thousands annually across alabama due to the lack of personal responsibility.

As you say a life is a life - then I guess you are ok with abortion, executions and murder in general.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Not surprising for this forum
Date:	5/20/2019 11:01:17 AM

Two posts:

the rare "exception" followed by the "rule"!